WTF? So this plane that's 'disappeared'...

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Big G, Mar 11, 2014.

  1. Big G

    Big G Has a sexy sister. I am also a Bodhi wannabee.

    What do you think about it? It all smells like shite if you ask me.
     
  2. Chilly

    Chilly Balls of steel

    Blew up, went down. C'est la vie?
     
  3. Shagrat

    Shagrat I am a FH squatter

    Aliens, Grey's, lizardmen, the illuminati. There , that's covered it, it'll be one of those four.



    Or it crashed somewhere remote, you know like in a jungle or that wet sea stuff
     
  4. old.Tohtori

    old.Tohtori FH is my second home

    I told you i needed a place to move to.
     
  5. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    I don't understand how it can go 'missing'
     
  6. Zarjazz

    Zarjazz Sarcasm. Only one of the services offered.

    You could say they are .... Lost.
     
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  7. Mabs

    Mabs J Peasemould Gruntfuttock

    it happens, this is hardly novel ?

    OH MY GOD ISLAMISTS DID IT.. grow up and stop trying to sell papers
     
  8. Big G

    Big G Has a sexy sister. I am also a Bodhi wannabee.

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  9. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Yes, this, exactly, OMG TWO STOLEN PASSPORTS DEFO TERRORISTS HADTHQERATHYQAERTHQAERTHWSERTHWATERY

    INVADE SAUDI ARABIA!!!"%!£^"£$%^"$%&

    'A Malaysian ethnic Chinese child '

    Fucking Ethnics.
     
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  10. Chilly

    Chilly Balls of steel

    Balotelli is an absolute lad.
     
  11. Mabs

    Mabs J Peasemould Gruntfuttock

    i thought those 2 stolen IDs were nothing other than,....people using stolen IDs? one was emigrating illegally, not sure on other one ?
     
  12. Gwadien

    Gwadien Uneducated Northern Cretin

    Aye, but western media loves a good terrorist story.
     
  13. Tom

    Tom FH is my second home

    It's gone down in the middle of nowhere, and the middle of nowhere happens to cover a vast area. Of course it's going to take a while to find. Civilian radar doesn't blanket the Earth.
     
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  14. TdC

    TdC Trem's hunky sex love muffin Staff member Moderator

    it's either Nazi zombie terrorists, or terrorist Nazi zombies.
     
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  15. dysfunction

    dysfunction FH is my second home

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  16. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

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  17. ileks

    ileks Part of the furniture

    There's obviously a good reason for this but why can't they use GPS? They should at least be able to find where the signal was lost surely?
     
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  18. old.Tohtori

    old.Tohtori FH is my second home

    Probably because the people's front of judea doesn't have GPS.
     
  19. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Because they'd have to have the device that the GPS log was recorded on, and if they had that device they'd already know where it is.
     
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  20. Chilly

    Chilly Balls of steel

    Over international waters the only radar that tracks aircraft (if any at all) is military and they're often not too keen on disclosing their range/resolution etc etc.
     
  21. Draylor

    Draylor Part of the furniture

    GPS on civilian aircraft is a ridiculous conversation you never want to get involved in.

    Long story massively over-simplified: Its a US owned system. The US government has the power to turn it off, or degrade the signal. They say it'll never happen, but will not enter into any conversation on sharing the power or otherwise reassuring the rest of the world it can be used for safety critical purposes.

    And so the colossal waste of money known as Galileo was born. In another 5-10 years, if the system is ever finished, Galileo would be capable of pin-pointing a suitably equipped aircraft.
     
  22. soze

    soze I am a FH squatter

    I think this has either blown up or gone down in a forest or something. There is no way it could fly below radar long enough to get anywhere interesting. Transponders Radar ect I simply can not believe anything other than a crash or you have someone who has kidnapped all those people but made no demands?
     
  23. ileks

    ileks Part of the furniture

    Are you saying the GPS log was destroyed with the plane?
     
  24. Chilly

    Chilly Balls of steel

    The plane is at the bottom of the ocean, along with the 250 passengers.
     
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  25. TdC

    TdC Trem's hunky sex love muffin Staff member Moderator

    Malacca straits are fairly shallow. A satelite should be able to spot wreckage.
     
  26. ileks

    ileks Part of the furniture

    Yeah that would explain a lack of signal now. But surely there was a point that the signal was lost? Why don't air traffic control (or whoever) have the plane's gps trajectory? Is this information just not recorded outside of the aircraft? Or do planes move to fast for GPS to work like it does on the ground?

    I know fuck all about the technology, hence the original question. Still not sure what the facepalms were for @Scouse ?
     
  27. Chilly

    Chilly Balls of steel

    The plane doesnt broadcast its location. When it's within civilian radar monitoring range, those radar stations will track it and also query the plane's transponders so that it identifies itself (essentially you send out a WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU radio signal, and they reply). GPS is doesnt work two ways, the satellites you use to get your position have no idea you're using them to do so. For someone to know where the plane is right now they'd have to have been tracking it via radar, or the plane would have had to have been transmitting very loudly it's location over the radio waves.
     
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  28. ileks

    ileks Part of the furniture

    Ah I see. So the pilot has this information, but you can't easily send this back to a satellite and hence the outside world. You'd have to use radio waves which have a limited range.
     
  29. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    Yes.

    GPS is a signal emitted by sattelites.

    You can receive this signal on your phone and your phone can do useful stuff with it, such as log your bike ride. However, if you lose your phone, you lose your GPS log.

    Your phone does NOT emit a GPS signal and cannot be tracked by GPS. Your phone is a GPS receiver. Just like everything else (including planes) that aren't part of the GPS sattelite network.


    Planey-downey? No-GPSey-trackey. Capiche? :)


    Edit: Reading your other posts - you do NOT send signals to GPS sattelites. They send signals out, they do not receive them. It's a passive marker-post type of system. Your GPS receiver triangulates your position based on signals from a number of sattelites and does something with that information. Nothing else happens.
     
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  30. ileks

    ileks Part of the furniture

    I understand (now) that your GPS receiver is just a receiver. I was under the impression that sending a signal back to a satellite (not necessarily the same one(s)) was a relatively simple task (given we have satellite internet and shit). Obviously it isn't.
     

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