So Lunch at a Vegans

[Olgaline]

OI!
Dont you dare go Hijacking this into a smoking vs none smoking debate.
this is about Meat vs Salads and nothing more!

you want a smoking/anti smoking debate go make a spin off thread!

[Topic] Is smoking as bad as being a vegetarian?
or the variant:
[Topic] Is anti-smoking as bad as being an anti-vegetarian?

 

[Lamp]

Yeah !

 

[tris-]

Nothing wrong with drinking from the furry cup

but why do they use dildos if they dont like cock?
and homo men stick it in peoples arse holes, which is technically just a tighter vagina.

 

[Lamp]

The asshole was not designed to be driven up the wrong way. Its a one-way street (south-bound) purely for the use of garbage disposal.

 

[Sharma]

The ingredients of Haggis:

Haggis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yum Yum! Nothing like the lungs of a sheep to make you feel Scottish!

Fucking tasty though!

Just enough to make any veggie/vegan barf.

Oh yes.

The mention of it near a Vegan will have them foaming at the mouth and shouting abuse left right and centre - meanwhile your mouth waters at the though of haggis neeps and tatties with a small bit of gravy. Teh yum.

 

[old.Tohtori]

OI!
Dont you dare go Hijacking this into a smoking vs none smoking debate.
this is about Meat vs Salads and nothing more!

you want a smoking/anti smoking debate go make a spin off thread!

[Topic] Is smoking as bad as being a vegetarian?
or the variant:
[Topic] Is anti-smoking as bad as being an anti-vegetarian?

Just saying it's hypocritical.

No need to discuss it further.

And those two examples are sh*te!

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Yeah, I know, old thread bumping, but I just read this article in a magazine, that I cannot leave without posting it here.

Some ammo against vegans:

Raw pig's skin is used for:
Tattoo practising.

Gelatine processed from pig skin is used for:
Candy
Capsules for medication

Pig's blood is used in fishfood.

Bones are used for:
Writing paper, make it easier to bend.
Explosives
Bathpearl capsules
A match-head's phosphoreous paste.

Pigfat is used for:
Laundry detergent
Laundry softner
Shampoo, for that lovely shiny hair.
Candles, to raise the melting temperature of the wax.


And dozens of more things.

The article lists the book "PIG 05049" as the source.

Good stuff to fire back to a vegan, and make their shopping spree last hours longer to check all the ingredients on everything

 

[Iceforge]

You should have said you believe vegetables have a right to live too

Didn't he say it was a Vegan and not a Vegatarian?

Or is people here not making the difference between those who

Dont eat meat (Vegatarian)

Don't eat anything that lives (Vegan)

At least, thats how I learned it.... Vegans usually only eat the products that dont mean ANYTHING has do die... i.e. Fruit (tree still lives if you eat the apples), tomatos (same principle), milk products (if the animal didn't suffer in anyway to be milked) and so on and so forth. Can be quite extreme.

But to be honest, I respect the last far more than the first.
I will continue to live by murdering stuff around me, be it plants or animals, but can still respect people having such great respects for everything living that they refuse to let their lifes mean the end of any other life if they can help it.

But to that kind of person, paper bags would be murder as well...

 

[Ingafgrinn Macabre]

Didn't he say it was a Vegan and not a Vegatarian?

Or is people here not making the difference between those who

Dont eat meat (Vegatarian)

Don't eat anything that lives (Vegan)

At least, thats how I learned it.... Vegans usually only eat the products that dont mean ANYTHING has do die... i.e. Fruit (tree still lives if you eat the apples), tomatos (same principle), milk products (if the animal didn't suffer in anyway to be milked) and so on and so forth. Can be quite extreme.

But to be honest, I respect the last far more than the first.
I will continue to live by murdering stuff around me, be it plants or animals, but can still respect people having such great respects for everything living that they refuse to let their lifes mean the end of any other life if they can help it.

But to that kind of person, paper bags would be murder as well...

Vegetarian: Don't eat any meat.
Vegan: Don't eat or use anything from animals

Oddly fish is okay for both of 'em...

 

[Olgaline]

Didn't he say it was a Vegan and not a Vegatarian?

Or is people here not making the difference between those who

Dont eat meat (Vegatarian)

Don't eat anything that lives (Vegan)

At least, thats how I learned it.... Vegans usually only eat the products that dont mean ANYTHING has do die... i.e. Fruit (tree still lives if you eat the apples), tomatos (same principle), milk products (if the animal didn't suffer in anyway to be milked) and so on and so forth. Can be quite extreme.

But to be honest, I respect the last far more than the first.
I will continue to live by murdering stuff around me, be it plants or animals, but can still respect people having such great respects for everything living that they refuse to let their lifes mean the end of any other life if they can help it.

But to that kind of person, paper bags would be murder as well...

aye he is a Vegan,
I very much respect his choice, he's kust do damn preacy about it.
I dont go around preacing meat I just eat it, I never foce it on him nore frown apon his choice.

I do however understand it from his pov. "that it's wrong reguardless of who's doing the eating "killing" so thats what he argues warrents his preacyness and I get that, I just dont agree with it.

 

[Iceforge]

Vegetarian: Don't eat any meat.
Vegan: Don't eat or use anything from animals

Oddly fish is okay for both of 'em...

Ah, what the type I described called then? I know there are all kinds, also know there is a 3/4th type which only eats things RAW, i.e. tomatos can't be cooked first and such

 

[Olgaline]

vegans dont eat anything that comes from animals dead or alive,
the you have different types of vegetarians

I think this breaks it down: "dont know if there's a more specific list out there

- LACTO VEGETARIANS They eat no flesh of any kind. Their diet consists of fruit and vegetables and dairy products(vegetarian cheese only)

- LACTO-OVO-VEGETARIANS
They eat the same as the lacto vegetarians but also include eggs in their diet.

- Total Vegetarians eat only plant food. They do not eat any animal foods, including fish, eggs, dairy products, and honey.

- Vegans not only omit all animal products from their diets, but they also eliminate them from the rest of their life. Vegans use nothing from animals, such as leather, wool, and silk.

- FRUITARIANS They eat only fruits,nuts and seeds.(This includes the fruit of vegetables such as tomatoes and courgettes. However they never eat the roots of plants such as carrots and potatoes)

- Pesco-Vegetarians include fish into their diets.

- Pollo-Vegetarians eat poultry, such as chicken, turkey, and duck.

 

[swords]

Just for the record, plants produce CO2 as well.

But doesn't matter. Having a diet consisting of only vegetables, fruits and other 'green' stuff is far better if you want to reduce CO2 pollution and ecological footprint, no fuss about it.

And yes, I love meat.

If you draw that argument (if you call it one) to it's logical conclusion, the most effective way to lower your CO2 emission is to be dead.

 

[Golena]

If you draw that argument (if you call it one) to it's logical conclusion, the most effective way to lower your CO2 emission is to be dead.

Surely by decomposing you'd emit stuff that's not good by the environment.
It's time that we all shoot ourselves into space tbh!

 

[Iceforge]

If you draw that argument (if you call it one) to it's logical conclusion, the most effective way to lower your CO2 emission is to be dead.

(not specificly directed at swords, but more that CO2 created by plants/animals debate he was also replying to)

Green plants dont create CO2, Green plants "breaths" CO2 and "exhales" oxygen, while white plants/fungi "breaths" oxygen and "exhales" CO2, which is why growing Fungi and plants in the same room can sometimes be a good idea, if the plants and the fungi specificly share simuliar other requirements for optimal growth

 

[Lamp]

Did you know that in 193 countries, if someone comes up to you, announces they're a vegan, and has a go at you for eating meat, its perfectly legal to shoot them ?

 

[Iceforge]

Did you know that in 193 countries, if someone comes up to you, announces they're a vegan, and has a go at you for eating meat, its perfectly legal to shoot them ?

WTF? did you know that 90% of all statistics without source is made up on the spot?

give source or not true!

 

[Raven]

I have some sharp pointy teeth and I also have some nice sharp cutting teeth along with my rough grinding teeth.

I will eat whatever the fuck I want thank you very much.

 

[swords]

(not specificly directed at swords, but more that CO2 created by plants/animals debate he was also replying to)

Green plants dont create CO2, Green plants "breaths" CO2 and "exhales" oxygen, while white plants/fungi "breaths" oxygen and "exhales" CO2, which is why growing Fungi and plants in the same room can sometimes be a good idea, if the plants and the fungi specificly share simuliar other requirements for optimal growth

Respiration and photosynthesis can happen in tandem. Photosynthesis is the process in which glucose is created from water and CO2. This glucose is then metabolysed through glycolytic pathways to form pyruvate, then acetyl-coA and on into the krebs cycle (producing CO2).
Non-photosynthetic organisms get their carbon sources (eg. glucose) from eating other organic matter, whether plant of animal or fish or fungi.
So green plants also produce CO2, it's just they can utilise CO2 through photosynthesis (as long as they have light and water).

As for the being dead/decomposing. That can be considered a final 'carbon fee' that every organism pays upon death. It prevents any more CO2 being produced by respiration so a dead person is better than a live one in terms of CO2 production. Therefore, to be super good with lowering CO2 emission, everyone should commit suicide (in a carbon-neutral way ofc!).

 

[Iceforge]

Respiration and photosynthesis can happen in tandem. Photosynthesis is the process in which glucose is created from water and CO2. This glucose is then metabolysed through glycolytic pathways to form pyruvate, then acetyl-coA and on into the krebs cycle (producing CO2).
Non-photosynthetic organisms get their carbon sources (eg. glucose) from eating other organic matter, whether plant of animal or fish or fungi.
So green plants also produce CO2, it's just they can utilise CO2 through photosynthesis (as long as they have light and water).

As for the being dead/decomposing. That can be considered a final 'carbon fee' that every organism pays upon death. It prevents any more CO2 being produced by respiration so a dead person is better than a live one in terms of CO2 production. Therefore, to be super good with lowering CO2 emission, everyone should commit suicide (in a carbon-neutral way ofc!).

Ah, seems I was misinformed about green plants then

Anyway, personally believe that CO2 causing global warming is beyond crap and hence not that worried or convinced mass suicides would make any difference

 

[echome]

Ah, seems I was misinformed about green plants then

Anyway, personally believe that CO2 causing global warming is beyond crap and hence not that worried or convinced mass suicides would make any difference

But would be fun to watch...

 

[Olgaline]

Ah, seems I was misinformed about green plants then

Anyway, personally believe that CO2 causing global warming is beyond crap and hence not that worried or convinced mass suicides would make any difference

Co2 does cuase global warming, "natural greenhouse effect"
if it didnt we'd be fucked!
natural global warming is a very good thing and a very nessesary thing for life to sustain and thrive on earth. without Co2 and the natural global warming this would be a very close place indeed.

The question is more one of what effects man made co2 has on the plannet

 

[swords]

Ah, seems I was misinformed about green plants then

Anyway, personally believe that CO2 causing global warming is beyond crap and hence not that worried or convinced mass suicides would make any difference

My biogeekery knows no boundaries! BUAHAHAHAHA! BUAHAHAHAHA!

CO2 is definitely a factor, but not the only one. Overpopulation is a big problem and will continue to stretch natural resources. At breaking point there will be war, it will be bloody, many will starve.

 

[Olgaline]

but actually Co2 isnt really that big a Greenhouse gas "singularily that is"
I cant remember the exact numbers, but all the green house gasees have a number asigned to then in relation to their greenhouse effect:
the problem is more the amounts of Co2 and more importantly the amounts of the other greenhouse gasses that are admitted into the atmosphere by humans. where some fo them have much higher values than Co2

 

[Golena]

The problem is space monkies.

Space monkies block the cold rays and so the planet heats up.

 

[Olgaline]

the monkeys are outraged at this insinuation!
It is blatantly obviouse that it's Spacerodants parading as monkeys in costumes!

 

[old.Tohtori]

And ahs anyone measured suns temp lately? Compared it to thsi "planetary problem"? Or has anyone noticed that mars has risen in temp? "oh noes! Our land rover must've taken the green houses effectz there!"

 

[Raven]

They should start taxing volcanoes tbfh, blatant flouting of heir browns rules

 

[Iceforge]

Well then, anybody in here prove to me that CO2 causes heat and not the other way around and I will be happy to change my mind.

Problem being that usually the temperature rises BEFORE Co2 levels rise, indicating that CO2 levels are the result of the temperature and not the other way around.

All the clips I have seen with scientists trying to prove that global warming is unnatural and caused by CO2 has had several logic fallacies in them, making the entire thing invalid.

 

[swords]

The argument for meat:
Pork - Weebl's Stuff
Oh yes...