Shuttle SN41G2 Barebones System

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smurkin

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I was hoping for a gpu with a lil more ooompf than the 8500, principally because I'm waiting for the "Doom" generations gpu cards. I appreciate onboards nick the system ram and that this approach is slower than having dedicated fast RAM as found on high end GFX cards. But I wanted to fill the case with RAID 0 WD Raptors...should be ideal for the beefier next gen game.

I considered a pci serial ata RAID in a shuttle...but I read somewhere the pci bus speed is a bottleneck...I dont know if this is bull, but it put me off :/
 
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Jonty

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For those interested, Hexus have reviewed the MSI Mega PC. In conclusion, they found that . . .

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Pros
  • Great internal design
  • Unique Hi-Fi ability
  • Excellent features
  • Very reliable
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Cons
  • Colour scheme will put some people off
  • Too much plastic on the front
  • Lacks the performance ability of it's competitors
In the end it scored a respectable eight out of ten, which isn't too bad considering this is MSI's first forray into the small form factor market. Here's hoping the AMD version may improve upon this fairly sound idea.

Kind Regards
 
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Jonty

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SN45G

Hello :)

Hexus have today posted their review of the latest Shuttle SN45G. In conclusion, they found that, although perhaps not an SN41G2 killer, it was a good system . . .

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Pros
  • About as quick as an AMD machine can currently be
  • Decent BIOS with a broad range of options
  • No integrated graphics (if this is a good thing for you)
  • Stable, a tried and trusted formula
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Cons
  • Stable, a tried and trusted formula
  • No integrated graphics (if this is a bad thing for you). No immediate video-out
  • Not quite as highly featured as previous Shuttles
Overall it scored 8 out of 10, not as high as previous ground-breaking Shuttle systems, but still very good.

Kind Regards
 
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Testin da Cable

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that seems quite nice really :)

*tries to decide between getting a watercooling kit for the borg cube or transfering the radeon9700pro, hyperx ram, wd SE caviar and the barton to a shuttle* :D
 
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smurkin

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Re: SN45G

Originally posted by Jonty
Hello :)

Hexus have today posted their review of the latest Shuttle SN45G. In conclusion, they found that, although perhaps not an SN41G2 killer, it was a good system . . .
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The sb61g2 might be the long awaited sn41g2-killer, at least according to HardOCP . These fellows overclocked their Pentium4 2.4C to 3GHz, pretty much stably, using the sb61g2 :eek:

The onboard sound an graphics are a bit flimsy tho, in comparison.
 
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Jonty

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True enough smurkin, the SN61G2 rocks :D That said, it's perhaps best to compare 'apples to apples', so the SN41G2 perhaps still remains the best AMD-based system. It should be quite interesting to see how Shuttle's new ATi-powered Intel solution shapes up, for as you rightly say, the integrated graphics in the present Intel systems aren't great when it comes to 3D applications.

Kind Regards
 
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smurkin

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Re: ATi Powered Pentium 4 Shuttle

Originally posted by Jonty
Hi guys

I'm not too sure where these details come from, but apparently there's an ATi powered Pentium 4 Shuttle system on the way . . .

  • Pentium 4 Socket 478 533/400MHz FSB processor
  • ATI RS300 Northbridge, IXP200 Southbridge
  • Dual-channel DDR400 (up to 2Gb)
  • Integrated Radeon 9000 graphics
  • Realtek 650F 6-ch. sound
  • Broadcom 4401/5788 10/100/1000 LAN
  • AGP8X, 1 x 32-bit PCI slot
  • S-Video, NSTC/PAL, 1024 x 768
  • USB2.0, Advanced Firewire 400
  • Serial ATA, RAID 0,1
  • ICE (Integrated Cooling Engine)

Apparently it's set to look like a black SN45G. I'll try and confirm these details when next I'm free.

Kind Regards
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Jonty, did you ever find out any more details on this one ?
 
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Jonty

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Hi smurkin

Sadly information is still very scarce, and Shuttle's PR department is keeping quiet. That said, a few more details have been leaked. Firstly, it appears the system will be called the ST61G. This means it has the 'old' Shuttle design, instead of the (in my opinion) more swish G2 design. The following picture seems to be floating around, but whether it is genuine is anyone's guess . . .

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X-bit Labs have also indirectly posted some exciting information concerning the system too . . .

Shuttle ST61G

  • Core-Logic - ATI RADEON 9100 IGP
  • PSB - 400/533/800MHz QPB
  • Memory - Up to 2GB of PC1600/PC2100/PC2700/PC3200 with dual-channel support
  • Expansion Slots - 1 PCI; 1 AGP 8x
  • Integrated Graphics - ATI RADEON 9200-class core
  • Parallel ATA-100 - 2-channel ATA-100/66/33 integrated controller
  • Serial ATA-150 - 2 ports with RAID 0, 1 support
  • USB 2.0 - Up to 6 ports
  • FireWire (IEEE1394) - Up to 3 ports
  • LAN - 10/100/1000Mb/s
  • Audio - 6-channel AC'97
  • Additional Features - Most of technologies found on all present barebones from Shuttle
  • Form Factor 82mm x 43mm x 190mm (w/h/d)
  • Notes - Shuttle I.C.E. heat-pipe technology
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If you search the Sudhain Forums for 'ST61G' you'll find a couple of relevant posts.

Kind Regards
 
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smurkin

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Thanks, cant wait for some reviews...the aesthetics aren't bad..it might be possible to jazz the case up with one of their customising kits. It will be interesting to see how they will fit in the drive bays to accomodate a twin drive RAID without sacrificing cdrom or floppy (I noted that the dimensions are purty much the same as other shuttles).
That SurroundView feature sounds awsome - onboard video not disabled when another gfx card added.
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I wasnt sure what they were referring to here ...I presume it allows extra monitors..but we'll see :D
 
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PR.

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My shuttle has now been running 8wks 7hrs 26mins without reboot or log off. Still feels responsive even with Outlook 2003 Beta 1.5 peeing 200mb of memory away at a time... :)
 
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danger

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re: SN45G... I was wondering if anyone could tell me whether the SPDIF out was optical or coax... my speaker set only uses coax dig out so this is the deciding factor as to whether I get one or not ;) Cheers for any help you can give me... I didn't find much on the website.
 
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Clowneh!

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Rar! I wanna get a shuttle now!

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/prod...2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=51053

Looks nice. I'm gonna be looking at buying an XP 2600+, 1 gig of ram and a 120gig hard drive. I'll be sticking an ADSL modem into it, using the onboard network adapter, putting my GF4 Ti 4200 into it, as well as plugging a massive USB printer into the back. I'll make use of the onboard sound too, so I think that's me covered.

One quarrel was that I noticed it came only a 200w PSU. Is this enough for all of those things there? What would happen to this system heat-wise, which is what I'm more concerned about? Anything else to watch out for?

Thanks in advance someone ;)
 
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Clowneh!

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Ok. Maybe not one gig of ram :eek6:

Where can i read about that shuttle with slot drive and lcd screen?
 
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Ch3tan

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Wow, they are soo cheap. Whats the catch? I'm seriously intrested now, although not having a huge pc with lots of space for upgrades is a worry. Clowneh mentioned adding his own gfx card, is this possible, and doesn't it get mighty hot in that little box?
 
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Embattle

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I've got a Radeon 9800 Pro in my Shuttle and while it did reach the dizzy temp of 57 case and 61 processor during the recent heat it still didn't crash even when playing BF1942. The Shuttle includes a smart fan which increases the speed as it gets hotter.

You also shouldn't get any problems with the PSU, I haven't and yet I had a GF4 Ti4600, RAID Card, DVD-R/RW and 2 80gb HDs in the case at one point.
 
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Clowneh!

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Ok..

My shit comes up to: £416.85 inc. next day delivery
www.ebuyer.com
Shuttle SN41G2
AMD Athlon XP 2600+
Western Digital 120gb HD
www.crucial.com
Crucial 512Mb PC3200 RAM

I think I shall get for my next month's treat. This month's treat was a Mars bar :clap:
 
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Ch3tan

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I am now 95% sure I will get one of these. It will tide me over very nicely till I can afford a full sized system. Shame I wont be able to get my livedrive and dvd drive in, but at least there is space for my live 5.1 if I decide I don't like the onboard sound.

And again, fuck me how cheap are these things :)
 
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Jonty

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Hi Clowneh!

The SN41G2 is probably the loudest of all Shuttles, but to my mind, it's still a fairly quiet system. The main fan adjusts it speed according to the load on the system, and you can change the settings in the BIOS to suit your own taste. Needless to say when not it use, it's fairly quiet, and only in games and such does the fan go to full speed.

But at the end of the day, what constitutes noisy is very subjective, so perhaps others will give you their thoughts too.

Kind Regards
 
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Wilier

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I just got one, dont think I'll keep it long though. Its second hand, and its held together with bits of chewing gum and selotape. ;)
 
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Jonty

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Originally posted by Wilier
I just got one, dont think I'll keep it long though. Its second hand, and its held together with bits of chewing gum and selotape. ;)
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Oi! You cheeky blighter. Blood, sweat and tears went into making that system. Anyway, thanks to the wonders of logging, we can in fact reveal Wilier loves the SN41G2B as much as the rest of us:

Wilier OMG, I want your shuttle :(
Wilier Its sooo sexy,
Wilier first time Ive laid my hands on one, and its bloody georgeous
Wilier so, so, so well built (and assembled inside too) ;)
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Anyway, dragging this post somewhere into the realms of relevance, I noticed today that eBuyer (love them or hate them) have SN41G2 systems for £189.88 inc. VAT, which isn't too bad at all.

Kind Regards
 
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Embattle

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I would advise getting two 512MB modules of memory giving a total of 1GB.
 
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Jonty

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Hi Clowneh!

You may wish to follow Embattle's advice of getting two memory modules instead of just one, even if you are sticking with 512Mb RAM. Basically, 2x256Mb performs slightly better than 1x512Mb as the nForce2 motherboard in the Shuttle uses a technology called Dual DDR, which effectively means it's optimised for two memory modules. The performance gain isn't astounding, but it's probably worth having. Anyway, purchasing two sticks of RAM instead of one usually works out slightly more expensive than buying one, but there's usually only a few pounds in it.

Kind Regards

Jonty

P.S. Thanks for defending my name, Will :D
 
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Embattle

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The other reason being that you have to dump the two original modules should you wish to upgrade to 1GB at a later date.
 
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