Politics Should the UK remain a member of the EU?

Discussion in 'The Front Room' started by Big G, May 28, 2015.

Should the UK remain a member of the EU?

  1. Yes

    27 vote(s)
    73.0%
  2. No

    10 vote(s)
    27.0%
  1. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    Yes. Yes it is.
     
  2. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    The freaks in the Northern Netherlands get pissy if you say they are from Holland.
     
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  3. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    The vast majority of Americans support their union and flag because they fought together against a common foe...us brits and apart from a little civil war hiccup, it has stayed strong.
    Europeans have never faced a common foe, we always just fight each other and nothings gonna change soon, if the UK pulls out the whole thing will fall apart because it is held together mostly by distrust.
     
  4. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    You do understand that I'm actually British right? I'm just aware of our delusional view of ourselves. The interesting thing is, I think by and large, Europeans don't hate each other, certainly not the younger ones. There are obvious exceptions like everyone in the Balkans, but the only people who never seem to shut up about Europe's history of knocking lumps out of each other are the British, probably because we won a lot (its also interesting that we have a very poor recollection of the ones we lost...)
     
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  5. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Yes, a federal Europe will work in 30 years time, too many old schoolers in power and the next generation will be far more immigrants without the history, England will hold out to last though because of our Island status.
     
  6. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    The "old schoolers" in charge will follow the money. The money being remaining in Europe.

    We have always had immigration, though perhaps not so many that offer nothing skills wise. plus the fact most are transient anyway. I don't think you need to worry about a gypsy PM stealing your children and turning them into pick pockets anytime soon...
     
  7. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

    Just re read the original post and seen that Golfers aren't welcome. Well fuck you, I shall just ignore the debate, and go an practice my swing instead.


    Pfft. Peasants with their inferior ball games any fucker can play.
     
  8. Big G

    Big G Has a sexy sister. I am also a Bodhi wannabee.

    I think you missed my odd sense of humour then :).
     
  9. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    No sense of humour golfers, I've noticed that.
     
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  10. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

    I think you may have missed mine :)
     
  11. old.Tohtori

    old.Tohtori FH is my second home

    I've got a ballgame that's superior to all others.
     
  12. Bodhi

    Bodhi FH is my second home

    I have 2. Only selected fuckers can play with them though.
     
  13. Scouse

    Scouse HERO! FH Subscriber

    This.


    That's an utterly convincing argument *for* a federal europe.

    No EU = War.


    It's an elitist sense of humour.


    Lies, you one-balled slag.
     
    Last edited: May 29, 2015
  14. Tom

    Tom FH is my second home

    I once had a golfer get irate with me because I drove my buggy past his T as he was doing something with his bat (I was filming a tournament). It didn't matter to him that due to a load of trees and bushes, I couldn't possibly have seen him to turn the buggy off. Later on he got even more irate when I moved my camera out of his line of sight to the hole (I was trying to do the right thing). He came waddling over and told me to "sort myself out", then complained to an official who looked as though he'd rather be wiping old peoples' arses. Presumably the golfer was having a bad day and bent some of his bats or something.

    It amused me because you never see world-class footballers demand that 70,000 people all shut up before they take a penalty. They just take it, even while people are screaming obscenities at them. I've noticed this with many sports that require that a small ball be hit by something - golf, tennis, snooker - they all want absolute silence.
     
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  15. BloodOmen

    BloodOmen I am a FH squatter

    Yes and No...

    Yes if the EU gets it shit goether, it has the potential to be the largest economy in the world

    No because technically we would be better off without the EU providing we can keep key trade agreements in place
     
  16. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    There are some material negative effects for business. Red tape. Lots of it.

    And what the fuck is the CAP about :/
     
  17. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    None of which goes away if the UK leaves the EU; the UK would still have to comply to trade to the EU. And "Red Tape" is usually another way of CBI types saying "safety standards" or "worker's rights". Every time some business leader or Tory politician says the words "red type" in relation to anything, they should be required to say exactly what specific bit of red tape they're referring to, and in addition, do a comparison for the red tape involved in achieving a similar goal in the US; which will surprise the hell out of most people.

    CAP is...well, not important really. I costs your household the equivalent of about a tankful of petrol per year (or about half a TV licence). Not worth wrecking one's economy for.
     
  18. Raven

    Raven Brrrrr!

    There would be a hell of a lot more red tape dealing with Europe from the outside than dealing with Europe from the inside.

    Just try dealing with America for example.
     
  19. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    It's a fair point but red tape works at different levels. Some would remain where you wish to sell goods to the EU. Not all though.
     
  20. Wij

    Wij I am a FH squatter FH Subscriber

    Unlikely in my opinion but happy to see some examples.
     
  21. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    Being stuck together just highlights our differences, I would love a unified Europe with just a few stipulations...firstly drop the Euro name, it's fucking naff, and secondly, all speak English and drop your native language.
    In return we won't charge you for using it.
     
  22. DaGaffer

    DaGaffer Down With That Sorta Thing

    Have a look at Hawkwind's DoJ comments in the Blatter thread.

    From a personal POV, thing I've found with America's bureaucracy has a different focus, but there's still just as much of it. The tension between state and Federal laws can be mind-boggling and almost designed to create work for lawyers, plus, "too much democracy". States can change or reverse laws every time there's an election, which is every two years. Then of course there are things like the absurd patent system, which once again an example of superficially light regulation, that's more than offset by the amount of money you're going to end up spending on lawyers.
     
  23. Hawkwind

    Hawkwind FH is my second home FH Subscriber

    Funny you should mention the absurd US Patent system. We just paid out 7 million USD because someone managed to patent the idea of paying for services over WiFi on a plane! Easier to just pay than get lawyers involved in lengthy arguments that hold back development etc. Crazy system.
     
  24. Big G

    Big G Has a sexy sister. I am also a Bodhi wannabee.

    That's not news though, they've always said being taken out of Europe could trigger another referendum.
     
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  25. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

  26. Embattle

    Embattle FH is my second home

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  27. fettoken

    fettoken I am a FH squatter

  28. Job

    Job TWAT and FH Object of Ridicule

    What we are seeing is how quickly the EU can fall apart...first crisis and everyone reverts to self interest, the union is a paper illusion and totally lacks any real power to stop individual countries calling the shots based on it's individual political leanings at the time.
    Pretty obvious UK would swing to no vote when millions of Muslims are at the door and Merkel is basically threatening us to take them in...and how the living fuk is she in this position?
    How come Cameron isn't calling the shots?
    We're the fuckin nuclear power ffs, he goes over there like we're Albania.
     
  29. chipper

    chipper Can't get enough of FH

    its a pretty interesting situation isnt it a month ago i was watching merkel tell a girl she was been deported and now she is telling the german populous to welcome them with open arms. i cant help but see merkel as using this whole situation as a political foothold to place germany at the top of the ladder in the EU, other countries will be happy to let them take the refugees and she will happy to throw this whole situation in the rest of the EU's faces when a suitable situation comes along namely against the UK due to our reluctance to take them.

    merkel is not a nice lady she is cold calculating and tbh playing an absolute blinder. she would like nothing better than to see the UK leave the EU it would put her in a position to pretty much dictate policy in the EU after all, the brownie points shes gonna be lapping up with the refugee situation who is gonna say no to her? france? italy? spain? very unlikely.

    we must stay in the EU its vital tbh to world stability we are one of the few voices of reason in the EU and i wouldnt put it past her to jump in bed with putin tbh both power crazy fools.

    i know its sounds like proper conspiracy stuff but she is a dangerous lady and needs watching.
     

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