Selling artifacts after 1.81

[chretien]

Now its going to be worthless unless I drop the price so low someone might actually buy it.

Yes. That's how supply and demand works. It's not worth the amount you say it is, it's worth the amount that people are prepared to pay for it. If it is priced at 50p and no-one will buy it at that price it's not actually worth anything.

 

[eble]

ah well just reduced Gem of lost memories to 1plat, hoping someone will get pissed over christmas and buy it.

Eble

 

[Tesla Monkor]

Bummer. :/

 

[Andrilyn]

I wonder what GOA will do with the unactivated artifacts then if they are not planning to refund some money to the people that have them.
Don't get me wrong I am against that they will give 60p+ for an arti but some people bought artifacts and are trying to farm the scrolls which means the artifact they just bought for 10-30p is useless now.
Hope GOA won't look over this and set a good and decent 'reward' for unactivated artifacts without pooring millions of plats into the economy.

Maybe if you give the unactivated artifact to a special NPC you get credit for the encounter? or something like that.

 

[Dorimor1]

I wonder what GOA will do with the unactivated artifacts then if they are not planning to refund some money to the people that have them.
Don't get me wrong I am against that they will give 60p+ for an arti but some people bought artifacts and are trying to farm the scrolls which means the artifact they just bought for 10-30p is useless now.
Hope GOA won't look over this and set a good and decent 'reward' for unactivated artifacts without pooring millions of plats into the economy.

Maybe if you give the unactivated artifact to a special NPC you get credit for the encounter? or something like that.

I don't see the point really. People who have an unactivated artifact (who have farmed it) probably have the encounter anyway and its not the end of the world if you loose an arti as it will be so easy to activate one when 1.81 comes.

 

[Imgormiel]

GOA have already announced their intention and it appears that everybody's ideas of artificially inflating artifacts prices on CM will discount for nothing as they are not implementing that system. Therefore if you wish to discuss this further then go see the GOA website first.

 

[Boomling]

IMHO If goa just take all artis out peeps have fight so hard to get and dont compensate anything its crap. To get a erinys Charm u have to be on 20 raids to get mod enough to win it(and sometimes more), and now all can get it very easy. Its that fair i had to use 20 hours to get it a new player just need one hour after patch 1.81

I see alot whine over summ sm ml 9 pet. IMHO they derserved to get compensatet . It take alot of hours to get ml 9 pet on sm and they offen use many plats on there template to make them good, all of u can make that char if u want to spend the hours it takes.

I dont care of they want to give plats for artis, but they have to find a way to compensate for they many hours it has taken to get them.

So find a fair compensation, and show respect for the peeps there have spend alot of hours on something u now make very easy and fast to get.

If they compensate in USA there most be a reason, so a form for compensation have to come on the table in europe also (and still it dont have to be Plats)


if they prices is to high on us. server u can just set them to what u think are fair.

 

[Vell]

As you can read in this week's News we've decided not to implement this at all.

I smell a red herring

 

[Andrilyn]

I don't see the point really. People who have an unactivated artifact (who have farmed it) probably have the encounter anyway and its not the end of the world if you loose an arti as it will be so easy to activate one when 1.81 comes.

Yes but lets say for instance you bought GoV, seeing as normally you need to do the encounter with 1 fg so chances are you would not have won the arti therefor you bought it in the case you would join a GoV raid in the future.
Now that arti you just bought (GoV in this case) will be useless (if GOA doesn't compensate anything for unactivated artifacts) which imo is also unfair.
But once again I am against the US way of flooding the people with plats for unactivated artifacts though there needs to be a compensation.

 

[IainC]

We are unlikely to do anything to compensate for artifacts being valueless. it's important to remember that this patch is at least 2 months away. 1.80 is the 1st Feb and it's likely to be at least the end of Feb before we are able to bring this patch live. That's quite a long time to not be kitting characters out. Currently unactivated artifacts are not useless. You still need them to obtain an activated version and I really can't see people holding off for that long for any but the most expensive and hard to obtain artifacts - Jacina's Sash, Erinys Charm etc.
Mostly we were concerned that we didn't want to see artifacts become impossible to obtain in the interim as people farmed them like crazy and tried to force up the market prices to ridiculous levels. imagine the market will slowly start to tail off as the patch approaches but for now there's no reason why you shouldn't still be able to sell your artifacts at a reasonable price.

 

[RS|Phil]

I can't see any reason to be upset that you're going to have lost money and have some previously overpriced artis gathering dust in your vault because why on EARTH would you need 100s of plats AFTER 1.81 anyway?

Prices only went insane cos of TOA scrolls and rare artis anyway really. I'm kinda pleased that diamond farming is going to be the premier money earner again

 

[Leahc]

Checked the Marked Explorer daily before server merging and GoV was usually priced 60p and above. One day I saw 3 GoV's for 30p and bought all three.


I havent got the scrolls for em, and prolly wont be able to get em before 1.81 goes live. Is it fair that I loose them?


I think some people here need to see things in a wider perspective. I am not camping artifacts day in and day out, and I will suffer if I dont get proper compensation.


People also tend to forget that when scrolls get so easily farmed in 1.81 and artifacts are gone. What can you sell on cm and earn a bit then?
Artifacts will still cost billions to repair .. and no income .. hmm.

 

[GReaper]

Checked the Marked Explorer daily before server merging and GoV was usually priced 60p and above. One day I saw 3 GoV's for 30p and bought all three.


I havent got the scrolls for em, and prolly wont be able to get em before 1.81 goes live. Is it fair that I loose them?

You've got what you deserve?

Whatever you get always has a risk of dropping in value. I have a masterpiece quarterstaff on my merchant which has been there since before ToA was introduced. Should I ask for compensation because the brand new ToA items reduced the value of the staff on my consignment merchant?!

You bought 3 GoV's, why not use them on 3 of your chars?!

 

[RS|Phil]

Have to agree with GReaper really - that is if you were buying them to try and turn a profit - and you'll have to live with it. It's just like playing any other market, you shouldn't spend what you can't afford to lose.

 

[evzy]

Buying 2 Erinys, 3 GoV, 1 Jac Sash, maybe a couple of Atlantis Tablet and 4 Battler.


Will offer.....4 silver*. Please pm me or leave a message here if willing to sell.




*The lot, but will split teh cash if you only have a couple of items.

Can't wait to see these kind of posts in the days leading up to DR

 

[Kaun_IA]

im very happy whit the desision(SP!?) that GoA came to. farming ruined the game really, and im happy that those 24/7 farmers are not getting enything out of this. and those crying about the chars they made to farm stuff now being useless.... who told you to make those chars. and enyways arti enc farming will go on enyway, becouse ppl still want high utill stuff from encs.. like Zahurs stuff etc.

PS! those ppl that have bough alot of artis and now QQing that they wount be compensated.... deserve what they get.

 

[Boomling]

I still think its fair to compensate for things you remove from game.
I cant see why farmers in USA get compensatet and farmers in europe shut get nothing.
If Goa dont like farmers they cut let the encounter repop very fast ,then no reason to farmBut u cant farm erinys charm and some other encounters.
I see on the prices that USA farmers get for artis, if u check prises on prydwen_excal they prises on merchants is much lower.
I agree if you buy things you risk the prices will drop, but then u can safe it to better times if you will sell it. In this case u cant safe it it got taken from u. So if that is fair i guess its fair to take other things also.
Why peeps farm ? i can give a ex. If you want a Love story 3-3 it cost about 25p , if you shall earn plats enough to it then u must farm,10 SOM or 10 tartaros staff. I will bet that peeps who yell about farmers here have some of the expensive scrolls on there merchants so u are no better.
Goa have many options to stop farmers, instant repop, or do that the higest price u can take for a item is 100 g ,then u close all farming.
Its only fair that farmers get compensatet as long as you remove things from them.
Still i say compensation dont have to be plats, I totally agree to get more plats out on the market will get the prices to turn much higher than now.
U can buy artis back for realm points or craftingskil points, but goa have to give some compensation for they time spend to get those artis if they just
remove them as long farmin not are against the rules.
And to requiel u cant sell artis anymore, if you check prises they are lower than ever and if you check the sale of artis it has nearly stopped.

I will finish of with a question to requiel if you dont like farmers why dident
you make a instant repop on all encounters ?

And to all the peeps who just say u can just take without compensation, emagine if goa just cleared out your vaults and dont compensate then i know what will happend

 

[Kaun_IA]

I still think its fair to compensate for things you remove from game.
I cant see why farmers in USA get compensatet and farmers in europe shut get nothing.
If Goa dont like farmers they cut let the encounter repop very fast ,then no reason to farmBut u cant farm erinys charm and some other encounters.
I see on the prices that USA farmers get for artis, if u check prises on prydwen_excal they prises on merchants is much lower.
I agree if you buy things you risk the prices will drop, but then u can safe it to better times if you will sell it. In this case u cant safe it it got taken from u. So if that is fair i guess its fair to take other things also.
Why peeps farm ? i can give a ex. If you want a Love story 3-3 it cost about 25p , if you shall earn plats enough to it then u must farm,10 SOM or 10 tartaros staff. I will bet that peeps who yell about farmers here have some of the expensive scrolls on there merchants so u are no better.
Goa have many options to stop farmers, instant repop, or do that the higest price u can take for a item is 100 g ,then u close all farming.
Its only fair that farmers get compensatet as long as you remove things from them.
Still i say compensation dont have to be plats, I totally agree to get more plats out on the market will get the prices to turn much higher than now.
U can buy artis back for realm points or craftingskil points, but goa have to give some compensation for they time spend to get those artis if they just
remove them as long farmin not are against the rules.
And to requiel u cant sell artis anymore, if you check prises they are lower than ever and if you check the sale of artis it has nearly stopped.

I will finish of with a question to requiel if you dont like farmers why dident
you make a instant repop on all encounters ?

And to all the peeps who just say u can just take without compensation, emagine if goa just cleared out your vaults and dont compensate then i know what will happend

for srcoll get 2 friends and try to get them... not hard... and if you have a ML9 thingy... what are you complaining about.

i dont have a ml9 farmbot.... i allways make a grp to try and get scrolls that ppl need

you still have about 2months to sell those artis.... so SELL them now. if goa anounced that they will implement the same system the US had... it would go to hell, couse the extreme farmers will camp all artis, no normal player could get enc or arti. and im really enjoying whatching the pain of cloudsong farmers... that arti pops once a day (if im right) and i have given up on all of mages to get it. now they get what they deserve for ruining game for casual players.

 

[Boomling]

u cant sell artis anymore, if you check prises they are lower than ever and if you check the sale of artis it has nearly stopped as written before

Yes you can farm scroll but with they curent droprate you have many trouble to get madtales 3-3 and love story 3-3 and mostly u farm for like 5-6 hours and they dont drop, but that will improve

I agree in if Goa told us the same system would work in europa as in usa all will get berserk and farm

But my point is u cant take anything without to compensate for it. If goa take something for u you will write and demand compensation or your items back. And as long that farming its not against the rule, I think they have a reason to demand compensation

Next patch they maybe take other items.

I know you enyoying to see to farmers get hit by they new patch , but goa cut just make a instant repop then there will be no farmers, so another point is because of low poprate goa have created farming.

 

[evzy]

Thing about this - all teh farmers are whining about how they are "owed" for all their farming....Try and keep in mind people like Weaponcrafters and Fletchers who when TOA came out found themselves completely redundant - now I am sure they spent more time skilling up in a mind numbing manner, at least you never had to go through the same thing just to find out your end skill is no longer needed -yet you feel that you need to be compensated - didnt see any fletchers getting 10plat per MP stave or 15plat for a MP sword for every WC'er - respec ya farmbots if you are that bothered, or find something else that will sell to farm. This is not going to be the death knell for farmers - only those short-sighted enough that they cannot see what the demand will move onto.....

Never said this before in a post but today feels like a good enough day....... QQ

 

[Feyd]

Checked the Marked Explorer daily before server merging and GoV was usually priced 60p and above. One day I saw 3 GoV's for 30p and bought all three.


I havent got the scrolls for em, and prolly wont be able to get em before 1.81 goes live. Is it fair that I loose them?

Its a gamble - you take a chance, that involves a risk.

Its like saying
I saw company xx on the stockexchance at a low stockprice and i bought for xx euros of them, now they are bankrupt.
Is that fair.

But in reference to your GoV situation - you have prolly atleast 3 month to get them activated, before 1.81 goes live, so you have plenty of time to make use of them.

And before ppl start moaning, erhh you only say that because you dont have any artifacts to loose - i got about 25'ish artifacts in vault, some i will get activated, lots i wont.
But i accept that - prolly because i play it safe, why pay for an artifact if you havent got credit for it yet?
Sure if you get a good offer, but again - its a gamble, when you get credit for the artifact you might get lucky and get the artifact in lotto, and then you spend xx plats for an artifact you would have gotten for free, and the price for the 1 you bought might have dropped for 1 reason or another.

 

[Feyd]

But my point is u cant take anything without to compensate for it. If goa take something for u you will write and demand compensation or your items back. And as long that farming its not against the rule, I think they have a reason to demand compensation

They havent actually taken any items

Artifacts isnt any use until you activate them - agree?
They have just removed 1 tedious step from the 3 step thing about activating artifacts.

And still - about compensating - you prolly have atleast 3 month to either make use of the artifacts, or to sell them at whatever price you can get.
So i dont see a need to compensate ppl.
Mystic had to i agree, because for the US ppl the whole thing came out of nowhere.

 

[Feyd]

I will bet that peeps who yell about farmers here have some of the expensive scrolls on there merchants so u are no better.

Some maybe - but often i see the same ppl have both the artifact and the scrolls up for sale.
Im totally against the whole plate for artifact thing - and no i dont have any valuable scrolls - the highest price scroll i have on my CM is prolly 100gp.

Still i say compensation dont have to be plats, I totally agree to get more plats out on the market will get the prices to turn much higher than now.
U can buy artis back for realm points or craftingskil points, but goa have to give some compensation for they time spend to get those artis if they just
remove them as long farmin not are against the rules.

Agree GoA could give the artifacts some form of value other than plats, but not in the forms you mention - since artifacts have no connection to realm ranks or crafting.
IMO if they should give the artifacts a value of somekind, then i could be that handing in the artifact would give you either credit for the artifact or the full book of scrolls, or both.

And to all the peeps who just say u can just take without compensation, emagine if goa just cleared out your vaults and dont compensate then i know what will happend

Still - you dont loose anything - you can still get the activated artifact - since the farmers have plenty of credit.
It would be a completely other thing if they removed all immolated rings from vault, cuz you cant get them back just by talking to a dude.

2nd - GoA and Mystic have done something like that before. Every time they changed the stats of an item, then didnt change it on the items alrdy in the game, so those didnt have any or same value as the freshly dropped items.

 

[Zegas]

I guess if they do implement this system they will take the prices from the US servers, possibly

 

[Feyd]

I guess if they do implement this system they will take the prices from the US servers, possibly

If you read GoA's friday news - and the post in this topic by Requiel then you would know that they wont implement it as its done on US servers, and maybe not implement it at all.

As you can read in this week's News we've decided not to implement this at all.

 

[Kaun_IA]

Thing about this - all teh farmers are whining about how they are "owed" for all their farming....Try and keep in mind people like Weaponcrafters and Fletchers who when TOA came out found themselves completely redundant - now I am sure they spent more time skilling up in a mind numbing manner, at least you never had to go through the same thing just to find out your end skill is no longer needed -yet you feel that you need to be compensated - didnt see any fletchers getting 10plat per MP stave or 15plat for a MP sword for every WC'er - respec ya farmbots if you are that bothered, or find something else that will sell to farm. This is not going to be the death knell for farmers - only those short-sighted enough that they cannot see what the demand will move onto.....

Never said this before in a post but today feels like a good enough day....... QQ

good to hear that there are ppl that think like me...

 

[elbeek]

im very happy whit the desision(SP!?) that GoA came to. farming ruined the game really, and im happy that those 24/7 farmers are not getting enything out of this. and those crying about the chars they made to farm stuff now being useless.... who told you to make those chars. and enyways arti enc farming will go on enyway, becouse ppl still want high utill stuff from encs.. like Zahurs stuff etc.

PS! those ppl that have bough alot of artis and now QQing that they wount be compensated.... deserve what they get.

Wise words from the ghost of christmas stupid.

 

[Leahc]

You've got what you deserve?

Thanks?

Whatever you get always has a risk of dropping in value. I have a masterpiece quarterstaff on my merchant which has been there since before ToA was introduced. Should I ask for compensation because the brand new ToA items reduced the value of the staff on my consignment merchant?!

I was not complaining about dropping value. And you still keep your MP staff after 1.81 and can use it if you should feel like it

You bought 3 GoV's, why not use them on 3 of your chars?!

I would IF it was possible for me to farm three scroll books for it. At the time of buying I couldnt possible know anything about loosing the items because of a patch in the future. Buying stuff because you think youll have all the time in the world to farm those hard scrolls .. and I deserve this? This adventure will cost me 90p, and leave me with 12-13p .. thats like 1p for each lvl 50 char I have on Mid/Pryd.

Imho it is GOA's duty to ensure that all costumers gets a fair treatment, also in a case like this. Ofc no artifact should have a buy-back value for 60p .. that is insane, but with more moderate values wouldnt it then be fair to the majority of the players?

 

[Dracus]

First of all..the patch in question is probably at LEAST 6months away...secondly, wtf are you complaining about...your gonna be able to get almost all artis VERY easy...only rare drops and crafted shit will be worth something..so go pharm rare drops if your a pharmer...

Stop complaining!!! theyre making it easier(Imo too easy, but I have lotsa ml10 pharm chars, so )

/Dracus

 

[Outlander]

certain people posting here are fools imo.