Selling artifacts after 1.81

[Dorin]

Keyword: could.


Even if they were wasting their time, having every arty and it's mother camped 24/7 for the next 2+ months ain't fun either.

solution: play on the server without artis

j/k before the anti_classic commando goes mental

and yea you are right

 

[IainC]

To be honest this was a surprise for us as well, however we are going to be discussing the best thing for our servers with GMs from all teams, people at Mythic and senior people here at Goa. We should be able to announce what we are doing fairly soon (i.e. within a week or two) to give you all a fair heads-up on the situation. It's possible we either won't do it at all, will do it differently or will do the same as the US but there's no point in speculating just yet. I'd imagine we will be able to give you more inforamtion in next week's news as it wasn't possible to put anything meaningful in this week about it.
Bear in mind that we won't see this patch in Europe until after DR is live on the 1st Feb (as announced in this weeks' news) and so there's at least two months before whatever we decide is implemented.

 

[Leathas]

hilarious idea,glad i got cartloads of TOTALLY USELESS artis on my vault.

oh boy

 

[GReaper]

What Mythic did for this patch was quite irresponsible.

All artifacts on consignment merchants should've been set to 0g, making it impossible to buy. They couldn't inform people of the high prices to stop hoarding, yet they didn't bother to stop people from raiding the merchants to make a quick profit from people who didn't remove their artifacts before patchday. It also didn't help that many people lowered the prices of artifacts to try and get some sales before the patch went live.

Using the prices on the consignment merchants was also a poor decision. Farmers could put items like Guard of Valor at 75p on their merchant, would people pay such a price? Not likely. All these items are taken into account.

I would've liked old artifacts to be /use'able, use it and you get a full book of scrolls for the relevant artifact and encounter credit if you don't already have it. It would've made the old unactivated artifacts usable, instead of pushing more platinum into the economy. People farmed the artifacts for them to be usable, such a replacement would be appropriate.

Hopefully GOA will consider the rather large negative feedback from US customers regarding this, and do something better instead.

 

[scorge]

To be honest this was a surprise for us as well, however we are going to be discussing the best thing for our servers with GMs from all teams, people at Mythic and senior people here at Goa. We should be able to announce what we are doing fairly soon (i.e. within a week or two) to give you all a fair heads-up on the situation. It's possible we either won't do it at all, will do it differently or will do the same as the US but there's no point in speculating just yet. I'd imagine we will be able to give you more inforamtion in next week's news as it wasn't possible to put anything meaningful in this week about it.
Bear in mind that we won't see this patch in Europe until after DR is live on the 1st Feb (as announced in this weeks' news) and so there's at least two months before whatever we decide is implemented.

Not an easy choice, if you dont give people something for the artifacts they will whine at it being unfair that mythic did it for ther US but your not here. yet if you do give people something for the artifacts, you have to do it in a way that will not allow people to gain a significant advantage.

as some one suggested you could convert the artifact to a full book, or hand an unactivated artifact to an NPC and get a free level.

Am sure in hindsight that you wont make a mess of this like mythic.

 

[Feyd]

I would've liked old artifacts to be /use'able, use it and you get a full book of scrolls for the relevant artifact and encounter credit if you don't already have it. It would've made the old unactivated artifacts usable, instead of pushing more platinum into the economy. People farmed the artifacts for them to be usable, such a replacement would be appropriate.

Hopefully GOA will consider the rather large negative feedback from US customers regarding this, and do something better instead.

I will totally agree with you on this matter. Making it possible to trade in unlocked artifact for atleast the credit would be the most fair (trade in for full book hasnt got that much value in 1.81, with the wasy scroll farming)

And to the ppl complaining that it will make their huge stock of farmed artifacts worthless, well thats the risk you take from having a stock of goods, same with companies, they might have a huge stock of 1 type of goods, but over night they might become worthless due to development in the society of some kind (technological, law, envioment ect.). Its a risk you have been willing to take. Atleast now we in Euroland get 2-4 month heads up before the patch goes live, so you have 2-4 month to sell your artifacts, unlike the US ppl who only had 14'ish days.

 

[Afran]

I only made 117p on US from this

 

[Golena]

Use an existing artifact to activate, get back level 5 artifact.
Activate with fuill book and credit alone, get back level 0 artifact.

The artifact is now worth a free 5 levels. It's a price that horders can't use to generate zillions of plats, but it gives something to those who have the artifacts already. With the new ease of leveling artifacts it's not a completely game breaking advantage either, just saves you an hour or 2, which you probably spent aquiring it in the first place.

 

[mercury]

I've seen GoV going as low as 10p on Prydcalibur.

You aint been looking very hard or very often or in the right places then. GoV has been down to 4p - the last one I sold was 5p. In answer to a previous poster, there's also at least 6 artis that sell for 10g or less and about 20 for 100g or under. I'm talking Midgard here...

There's a simple solution to stopping traders like me from making pots of plats after 1.81. On my cm I have, at this moment in time, around 35 different artis. You're quite welcome to go out to my pad and buy the lot - they're the cheapest on both servers anyway, and I'd be more than happy to get rid of them all long before 1.81.
IMO trading is an important part of the game and needs hard work to be successful, but if you try rip people off with ott prices you wont sell a thing. It's pretty obvious that alot of players havent got a clue and cba to check prices frequently. Frinstance, I've seen someone put on 20 or so of the same farmed arti at 100g each - but as the going price was 90g he never sold one. Afaik they're still there...
Anway, its not really arti prices that are out of control. Look at some of the ML10 drops on sale (Astral) or TG high-level mob drops or Dragon weapons. They're high I suppose because some of them are the best items of their type in the game. Even so, the Astral stuff simply stays there week after week. And anyone with high prices who tells you their cm is being used as a storage vault - bs. Their stuff would be on at no price if that really were true.
If you ask me, the real rip-offs are the Weapon Enamels. 5p to colour your hammer light blue? Lol, yeh, right...

 

[York]

Dont think ill bother coming back to Excalibur now tbh (if GOA do this), prices for drops such as darkspire are gonna go insane and i just dont have the time nor the artifacts to sell to make enough cash to buy the soon to be newly priced drops.

Goodbye Templates

 

[Esselinithia]

People think artifact farming is the whole story, I think there are two more things to consider: Hoarding scrolls, and prices for the other drops.

Mythic said they can't set arti prices on server by server basis so it is prbably part of the patch, if GOA doesn't want to make all future patches different by removing such NPC, adjusting prices, item record for artifacts, etc. there should be the same thing. But they said it is a short term and minor problem, and I have to agree with them.

Why? When the new system got announced people suddenly learned: The scrolls for hard to get arties will increase in value. The supply remain constant but the demand for these scrolls will increase quickly.

The prices here work like an auction: People who can buy an item at high cost sets the price for it in most cases. If they don't have to buy artifacts? They can offer more for other drops they need for templates, and since they want them quickly many will be happy to offer more for these items: They will raise in value.

ML9 farmers can be good at arti farming, but after the patch? Well they will farm other drops, but arties will be easier to get for most MUCH easier. These farmers lose an important advantage they had over others here.

But there are other questions here in EU: How it will affact item restoration on prydwen? (people who lost not yet activated artifacts, should get back the artifact they can sell to NPC or keep as a rare object? Get money compenstaion equal at same level as for other items? Get the sell price of the arti?)

 

[Righthandof]

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He is an archer, he wants easy RP

do you have an archer ? o0

 

[Dr_Evil]

Use an existing artifact to activate, get back level 5 artifact.
Activate with fuill book and credit alone, get back level 0 artifact.

The artifact is now worth a free 5 levels. It's a price that horders can't use to generate zillions of plats, but it gives something to those who have the artifacts already. With the new ease of leveling artifacts it's not a completely game breaking advantage either, just saves you an hour or 2, which you probably spent aquiring it in the first place.

Excellent idea imo \o/

 

[Righthandof]

Use an existing artifact to activate, get back level 5 artifact.
Activate with fuill book and credit alone, get back level 0 artifact.

The artifact is now worth a free 5 levels. It's a price that horders can't use to generate zillions of plats, but it gives something to those who have the artifacts already. With the new ease of leveling artifacts it's not a completely game breaking advantage either, just saves you an hour or 2, which you probably spent aquiring it in the first place.

+1 vote on this one ;p

 

[Borodin]

Not sure if this has been suggested before in thread, & if so appols .
Just do the decent & honest thing, person goes & trades in arti x, gets new unlocked (giv scrolls) replacement.
No stupid hoarding, no inflated prices & if ppl have artis in vaults cuz they don't have scrolls to activate them, then now they do. Cuz scroll drops gonna be much faster.
So, hoarders/inflaters got merchandise worth jack.. & those ppl like me who have lots of artis for alts /guildies etc don't loose.

Simple eh?

Bet it doesn't happen.

 

[Borodin]

Oh, to clarify my thinking, i realized i left this out:
In the past Mythic & then GoA have change numerous arti effects etc.. in so doing they have never suggested payment to those who had them, simple turn in get new version. Why is this any different?
Yes, we all know farmers etc, but why should the management reward them for greed over need? Free market in now valueless stock?? what's wrong with this... anyone remember Enron ?
Seems obvious to me, just as in the past, you got an arti hand it in for the new (compensation free) version & take ya lumps.
If you farmed them for cash those are ya lumps, markets move ppl.

 

[RS|Phil]

Due to what Mythic did being obviously known to the players over here, the only reasonable course of action for GoA now is to just remove all the unactivated artis from the game.

Bit harsh for people that have hoarded them but at the same time, artis are meant to be used not sold for 100p on CMs like they have been, so there's no real cause for complaint (with the ToA changes incoming I mean).

 

[Tesla Monkor]

That would be just as irresponsible as pouring the thousands of plat's into the economy because people lost their gear.

(Multiple dozen plats on level 20 characters because they lost their cheap ass stuff.)

Whatever GOA decides, it'll make part of the population unhappy, though.

 

[Farbaute2]

If it is ment that we have a "free market" system in daoc many artifacts and other items will be worth nothing after new champion weapons and new epics are introduced in the game. it is just the same as when darkness falls was opened the first time and the drops from different "classic" zones suddenly was worthless, since there now were better items.

I think the most fair thing to do to all of us players, new and old, is to let some items be useless now. just as items were before in older patches. The patches that will come is well known and there is lots of time to sell or buy stuff before. If items were farmed to sell only, thats all ok, but make some effort then and sell it before this patch. yes you have the right to sell to whatever price you want, its your item, but the day when noone asks for it anylonger it is worth nothing, regardless of what it was worth before. If the items were farmed to put in a guildvault or saved to be used later then all is ok.

Just dont "print up" more money. by introducing more platina from nowhere everyones money will be worth less.

If there is money given away for absolete items later i sure want 200p for my old "runic manslayer" 2h sword farmed in skona before 35% to hit bonus was introduced. I still have it in my vault. Why i want 200p? well because noone else had a sword like that when i had it, and it was the best. supply and demand.

/Narve

 

[Afran]

In US this is what artis were worth after 1.81:

Gem of Lost Memories - 3p
Orion's Belt - 750g
Band of Stars - 75g
Kalare's Necklace - 187g
Cyclop's Eye - 525g
The Scorpion's Tale - 750g
Braggart's Bow - 750g
Belt of the Sun / Moon - 750g
Tartaro's Gift - 3p
Aten's Shield - 750g
Phoebus Harp Necklace - 30p
Alvarus's Leggings - 15p
Eriny's Charm - 60p
Bracer of Zo'arkat - 60p
Cloudsong - 6p 700g
Arms of the Winds - 750g
Shades of Mists - 4p 200g
Maddening Scalars - 1p 500g
Scepter of the Meriotorious - 4p 500g
Dream Sphere - 750g
Ring of Unyielding Will - 225g
Egg of Youth - 9p
Jacina's Sash - 25p
Shield of Khaos - 62p 625g
Belt of Oglidarish - 1.5p
Guard of Valour - 18p
Healers Embrace - 11p
Malice Axe - 11p
The Winged Helm - 4p
Bane of Battler - 7p 500g


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[Righthandof]

omg at khaos shield tbh.

and btw where did traitors dagger go? i got one spare

 

[Arumos]

omg at khaos shield tbh.

and btw where did traitors dagger go? i got one spare

lol :worthy:

 

[Afran]

omg at khaos shield tbh.

and btw where did traitors dagger go? i got one spare

They're not all there. They are just the ones I/friends sold.

 

[Nix]

In US this is what artis were worth after 1.81:

Gem of Lost Memories - 3p
Orion's Belt - 750g
Band of Stars - 75g
Kalare's Necklace - 187g
Cyclop's Eye - 525g
The Scorpion's Tale - 750g
Braggart's Bow - 750g
Belt of the Sun / Moon - 750g
Tartaro's Gift - 3p
Aten's Shield - 750g
Phoebus Harp Necklace - 30p
Alvarus's Leggings - 15p
Eriny's Charm - 60p
Bracer of Zo'arkat - 60p
Cloudsong - 6p 700g
Arms of the Winds - 750g
Shades of Mists - 4p 200g
Maddening Scalars - 1p 500g
Scepter of the Meriotorious - 4p 500g
Dream Sphere - 750g
Ring of Unyielding Will - 225g
Egg of Youth - 9p
Jacina's Sash - 25p
Shield of Khaos - 62p 625g
Belt of Oglidarish - 1.5p
Guard of Valour - 18p
Healers Embrace - 11p
Malice Axe - 11p
The Winged Helm - 4p
Bane of Battler - 7p 500g


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I really hope this wont go live in Europe, at least with these prices.... A two-man team could easily farm artifacts worth 20-50p/hour at a regular rate => will screw up the economy big time.

 

[Fana]

Yep. Really really hope GOA will be sensible and not pour millions of plats into an already heavily inflated economy. It would surely destroy any hope it has of recovery and leave selling and buying items purly in the hands of a few select individuals that can afford to pay 30p for a single MP armour piece, 20p for a single DS jewelry item etc.

If it went live like in the US then it would be another good reason to make my stay on the classic server permament.

 

[IainC]

As you can read in this week's News we've decided not to implement this at all.

What becomes of artefacts in version 1.81
Those who have consulted the release notes for 1.81 on the Camelot Herald already know that artifacts will be directly obtained from the sages, and not during the encounter itself. You will only need to validate the encounter and obtain the corresponding scrolls to receive the artifact activated at level 0 in exchange.
Unactivated artifacts that you can presently obtain, and which are often vaulted or sold on a consignment merchant, will thus be useless. In order not to penalize the players who were selling artifacts on the US servers, Mythic had created a system to calculate the average price of these artefacts, based on player prices just before the release of the new version. Therefore, since 1.81 they can sell these useless artifacts they had stocked at this average price. This system was of course only possible because the American players had not been informed beforehand of the artifact system changes. Some players seem to think that this will be applied on the European servers too, so they are currently selling their artifacts at very high prices, hoping to artificially increase the average price, and are trying to acquire a lot of them.
Therefore we want to inform you that we will not apply the same system as the US servers, and that it is useless to try and get as many artifacts as possible, and to put them on sale at enormous prices.

 

[eble]

Ok I agree its a good thing that the US version wasn't implemented.

But I farmed long and hard for a gem of lost memories, was going to use it on my NS but decided to sell it instead.

Now its going to be worthless unless I drop the price so low someone might actually buy it.

All this will do is force the price of scrolls through the roof in the next two months as everyone dumps arties for next to nothing.

Eble

 

[Dorimor1]

Ok I agree its a good thing that the US version wasn't implemented.

But I farmed long and hard for a gem of lost memories, was going to use it on my NS but decided to sell it instead.

Now its going to be worthless unless I drop the price so low someone might actually buy it.

All this will do is force the price of scrolls through the roof in the next two months as everyone dumps arties for next to nothing.

Eble

The scroll prices can go up to 100p for all I care, I'd happily farm for ~30mins to get the scroll I want when 1.81 comes.

 

[eble]

I've had to hunt/camp and kill almost all the arty encounters with my char and BB only because of the timezone I play in.

If and when I was lucky enough to get duplicate scrolls I was able to make a few gold and then go back to rvr and forget about pve until my next template change.

now even the scrolls I have wont sell because most will be thinking 'wait for DR' and scroll drop madness.

TOA was good for one thing imo and that was, spend a few hours hunting and maybe get a rare scroll and make a few plat, its gonna be hard all round now as I ant no PVE bunny.

If you see my ranger killing skele's outside Mag Mell in march you know I'm PVE'in for cash because I'm skint.

Eble

 

[Skaven]

How do you think the economy was before toa was introduced? Before arti's and scrolls were sold?

Im sure alot of people who know about the artifact and scroll changes proberbly won't bother now until they are introduced. Instead of arti's becoming the main income for people, it'll switch to something else. If it means your getting less money farming something else then everyone else will be in the same boat, so the prices will come down to reflect that. Before TOA the economy was running just fine, when toa was introduced the prices went up because it was so easy to get plat.

it'll just revert back to how it was. IMO anyway