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[Wuren]

Originally posted by AbPoon
Wildfire this is rather funny coming from an Alb and you know it.

You might be a decent fight but 90% of your realm m8's relly dont have a clue.

Well this goes 100 % for midgard, as the only good ppl went to Camlann.

 

[AbPoon]

Oooooooh look at the little hibby sticking up for his little Alb chum.


Eheh

 

[Wuren]

Originally posted by Runolaz
The LFoM-alliance is happy that we brought two relics to Midgard. If it leads to more raids...cool. I think most mids stoped caring about relics a long time ago, and actually, at least to me having Relics is not MAKING or BREAKING the fun of the game.

I think the longterm effect will be a server that as more live than the constant zerging in Emain, if the above is true.

Hibs first relic raids where total crap and we got raped, but we diddint lower ourself to do it when everyone else is asleep. We learned from our misstakes and got better.

Whats the fun/sport/challenge/whatever in waiting until everyone else loggs of to kill some NPC:s?

 

[AbPoon]

Whats the fun/sport/challenge/whatever in whining about it.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

well you seem to be having fun abpoon :>

 

[noaim]

Haha I have always respected hibbies.

I kinda divided the realms like this.

Hibbies are the little more grown up, older people, mid are more the gaming addicts, and alb are just the rest, the children that whines, converted CS-players or something.

All this whining proved I was right about albs (most of them, not all tho) and wrong about hibbies (also a few that should not feel hit)

Middies are defending their point, most of them at least, and since we did have enough people to raid a relic at the time we did it, I think we are addicts hehe.

Anyways, to Wuren and Tzee, I am sure you dont care, but I think you are making Hibernia look damn bad.

For Wildfire I got nothing to say, you are just to funny (read stupid) to even discuss anything with....what is it they say, never argue with an idiot, they´ll drag you down to their lvl and beat you by experience, so therefor I wont argue with you.

About all middies posting here saying "you suck we are l33t"...thats prolly one of the biggest lies I have ever read, and with that comment you drag hibernia with you even more Tzee, luckily a few hibbies here are doing a good job holding the hibs honor up, but I am not sure it is enough with complete mudheads like Wuren and Tzee here.

Finally, I wanna ask everyone that says "middies you lost my respect cause of this"...do you think your whining makes people respect YOU? And as extension to that, do you really think we care if a whiner dont respect us? Whiners are known to only respect themselves, anything anyone else does is wrong and shall be whined about.

Wildfire, just one more question, talking about honor and Albion. was it honorable by the albs to try to snatch a relic from the hibs after WE bashed the doors? I most likely wont answer to your reply since I smell something stupid coming up, but I might, so please explain how Albion trying to get a relic from an open keep in the early morning is better than us getting them from a closed one.

 

[katt!]

Originally posted by AbPoon



Wildfire this is rather funny coming from an Alb and you know it.

You might be a decent fight but 90% of your realm m8's relly dont have a clue.

Alb groups constantly get blasted and flamed over these boards for being a crock of shit by your realm and everyones else's, including you if i remember corectly.

Nice to take the flames away from Albion for once isnt it?

oh yeah. he must have forgotten that mids got mad-AR-VE-AR-skillz.

 

[k9awya]

you're all shit at daoc

 

[subski]

funny part is that they didnt take both hib and alb pow after returning mid relic :>

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by noaim
<insert random bullshit and personal opinions on Wuren, Wildfire, and I, here.>

<insert attempt to make Wuren and I feel wrong>

<insert something relevant to the raid here>

ok, wuren and wildfire, easily two of the most recognised names on this server, and two of the best at what they do.

(i wouldnt put myself at their level ;p)

all three of us have been playing from the start, and individually have probably done more for our realms than you.

'drag our realms into the mud'

mmm..

nice try, keep going

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by subski
funny part is that they didnt take both hib and alb pow after returning mid relic :>

Aye a small mistake...that turned out to be quit ok. As I have understod it Albs need their relic back form Hib before they can take the 2 in Grallarhorn.

So instead of having both at our doors we only have the hibs...for the moment.

 

[mirak_naijmi]

OMG This is so cute I heard from my friends in mid that this disscussion would be intresting

Honestly guys, i dont believe u ppl are flaming so much about a game Give it a rest! As someone said u where 56 ppl online we where about 70. U should be able to predict quite soon we are coming when we take 4 keeps in like 5 minutes. So u had plenty of time to plan something to countermeasure us with 56 ppl online. Lets do the math, we where like 50 attacking. Say u suceed in gathering 20(if u have really bad luck) and u are helped by the uberguards(which we had trouble with althou u werent there) 20 hibs would have done some difference in that battle wouldnt they? And then obviously u and the albs are pretty good friends since u all went for us together today. So why dont u ask them on irc to come and aid u in ure dire need? 220 ppl where online atm so 70+56=126 220-126=94. Then we got 94 albs...well they should be able to gather up and attack us they to shouldnt they? Ok, now that was abit evil maybe. Back to u just being 20. U could have defended the gadamn fort. But wait! U didnt know we attacked ure relic until it was to late right? Could that be us making a smart move and not being to obvious? Well, in my eyes we where quite obvious about it since we took so many keeps that fast. When 2 keeps are lost at the same time in mid i imiedieatly think "Relic Raid!". And if another keep is lost quite soon afterwards and the albions also have a keep that is ours i would call the alliance to arms and alert the other alliances in the realm also. But, u where to lazy, just like us when albion stole our strength relic last time. We where to lazy and we lost. But, i didnt blame anyone but ourself althou it was 2 oclock at night. We where fighting at the same odds and so where u this time!

And ppl, in 55 minutes ure its monday, didnt i hear someone say u would take the relic back before monday? U better hurry then, cause that last atempt wasnt very impressive And by all means take a relic, i had some good fun taking it from u so i wouldnt mind doing it again!

Cheer up ppl! Its a war and dont we love it?! If u dont ure playing the wrong game! I have some good fun fighting u! Thou if u could spare us a str relic mates i would be happy, cause letting u have 20% bonus is not fighting at the same odds, i almost got killed by a blue dude yesterday

<----MIRAK!

 

[shilak]

Tzeentch, please stop crying over the way in which the hibbies lost the two relics. And stop preaching to us about how its unfair to take relics when its not 'primetime' (as defined by you).

Maybe we should just agree some 'rules' for RvR to ensure fairness for all parties involved, would that make you more happy? How about ...

1) No realm is allowed more than 5fg in any single frontier at any given moment.
2) All relic raids must have dates and times agreed upon by both sides, through lengthy consultation out-of-game.
3) Relic keep doors arent allowed to be upgraded beyond level 8 as it is too costly and will damage the realm's economy.
4) No more than one ram is allowed to be used on each door, as relic keep doors are too costly.

Then again, who the hell cares, you pay your money, we pay ours. And I am sure as hell not going to abide by a set of rules dictated to me by those that are meant to be my in-game enemies. There are two sets of rules that I follow, those set forward by GOA/Mythic and those set forward by the guild I belong to.

If I happen to be with a bunch of other middies and we decide we feel like trying to get a relic/keep/DF then that is what will happen, no matter what time of day it happens to be. We will have our fun at your expense in the same way that you have yours at ours, thats the way the game works. Either learn to live with it, or find something else to do with your time.

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by AbPoon



Wildfire this is rather funny coming from an Alb and you know it.

You might be a decent fight but 90% of your realm m8's relly dont have a clue.

Alb groups constantly get blasted and flamed over these boards for being a crock of shit by your realm and everyones else's, including you if i remember corectly.

Nice to take the flames away from Albion for once isnt it?

At least they have the balls to fight face to face, unlike some alarm clock wielding twats on these boards.

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch


ok, wuren and wildfire, easily two of the most recognised names on this server, and two of the best at what they do.

(i wouldnt put myself at their level ;p)

all three of us have been playing from the start, and individually have probably done more for our realms than you.

'drag our realms into the mud'

mmm..

nice try, keep going

Dragging realm into mud, I was talking about reputation, cant say you make yourself look better now, and I still want an answer on why I have not seen any whining on albs trying to snatch a relic.

As I said before I think it was a nice try of them to get a relic with few people, I hold no disrespect to them for trying it, but all you people who think it is SO wrong to take relics at times when you are in bed, why arent you whining about it?

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by old.Nol


At least they have the balls to fight face to face, unlike some alarm clock wielding twats on these boards.

Uhm wait...I think I saw that alarmclock whine in some other posts...like 5 others posts...all posted by same guy.

Add something new, tired of reading of alarmclocks, I wanna hae fun when hibs whine, dont wanna read old crap over and over.

 

[ssera]

Originally posted by noaim


Dragging realm into mud, I was talking about reputation, cant say you make yourself look better now, and I still want an answer on why I have not seen any whining on albs trying to snatch a relic.

As I said before I think it was a nice try of them to get a relic with few people, I hold no disrespect to them for trying it, but all you people who think it is SO wrong to take relics at times when you are in bed, why arent you whining about it?

the man has a point, answer the question

 

[old.Nol]

Originally posted by noaim


Uhm wait...I think I saw that alarmclock whine in some other posts...like 5 others posts...all posted by same guy.

Add something new, tired of reading of alarmclocks, I wanna hae fun when hibs whine, dont wanna read old crap over and over.

Well that's what you are now known as, the Alarm Clock Realm, get used to it. If you don't want to keep hearing it, quit replying.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Originally posted by shilak
Tzeentch, please stop crying over the way in which the hibbies lost the two relics. And stop preaching to us about how its unfair to take relics when its not 'primetime' (as defined by you).

Maybe we should just agree some 'rules' for RvR to ensure fairness for all parties involved, would that make you more happy? How about ...

1) No realm is allowed more than 5fg in any single frontier at any given moment.
2) All relic raids must have dates and times agreed upon by both sides, through lengthy consultation out-of-game.
3) Relic keep doors arent allowed to be upgraded beyond level 8 as it is too costly and will damage the realm's economy.
4) No more than one ram is allowed to be used on each door, as relic keep doors are too costly.

Then again, who the hell cares, you pay your money, we pay ours. And I am sure as hell not going to abide by a set of rules dictated to me by those that are meant to be my in-game enemies. There are two sets of rules that I follow, those set forward by GOA/Mythic and those set forward by the guild I belong to.

If I happen to be with a bunch of other middies and we decide we feel like trying to get a relic/keep/DF then that is what will happen, no matter what time of day it happens to be. We will have our fun at your expense in the same way that you have yours at ours, thats the way the game works. Either learn to live with it, or find something else to do with your time.

Posting abusrd suggestions with some hint of sarcasm in essence does not really argue anything.
Sure, might make you feel smart or funny, but you should read what I'm saying and stop talking shit, because it is a very serious thing.
Why dont you answer me on if you would like to see that happen?

That is perhaps the largest reason why morning raids are frowned upon.

to random gimp who said something about why not more people are here to condemn: they're simply not as vocal.

end of story for me, I've said the reason why morning raids are fucking stupid, you guys are rehashing your same old invalid explanations, asking your mates to come here and register to backslap each other on it for support, but only one of you has managed to consider what I said previously.

rest of you: fuckwits

 

[old.Wolf_The_Skald]

Hehehe funny to see how people that defended nightly relic raids when THEIR realm did it now flame midgard for doing it. And midgardians previously flaming other realms (ok Albion) now defend it. Its like olympics in hypocracy. Take a look at older relic raid threads and you see what I mean:
http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26457

And Tzeentch, lemme quote someone you hold dear:

I think people need to take a break time to time, and get some fresh air, see their loved ones etc..

Some get TOO involved in these types of games.

 

[old.Tzeentch]

Nicely done..

Except my opinion hasn't changed..

It's a debate/argument/discussion.. would you that I just say 'well done mids, you did..' what?

You see, I'm all for mids getting involved again in RvR..

I'm all for it becoming a three way war again..

I'm against the condoning of this, simply because if it DOES become condoned, then battles over relics will become non-existent and a lot of people will lose interest in the game.

Simple as that.

 

[Jiggs]

thank you mids THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU

i couldnt give a monkeys arse if you took it at 4am on christmas morning all i know is NO MORE 30% bonus for hibs

 

[noaim]

Originally posted by ssera


the man has a point, answer the question

What are they gonna answer?

From Albion:

You are right, we are just as "bad"? No they wouldnt admit.

From Hibernia:

The honest answer would be "we dont care that much about late raids, we are pissed cause you took our relics, they failed and therefor we dont need to whine at them".

Or they make some crap with "you missed the point" or "you are a moron".

 

[shilak]

Originally posted by old.Tzeentch
Posting abusrd suggestions with some hint of sarcasm in essence does not really argue anything.
Sure, might make you feel smart or funny, but you should read what I'm saying and stop talking shit, because it is a very serious thing.
Why dont you answer me on if you would like to see that happen?

That is perhaps the largest reason why morning raids are frowned upon.

end of story for me, I've said the reason why morning raids are fucking stupid, you guys are rehashing your same old invalid explanations, asking your mates to come here and register to backslap each other on it for support, but only one of you has managed to consider what I said previously.

Im not trying to argue with you, I am simply trying to make a point. People play the game to have fun and if they arent having fun they tend to stop playing, which in turn has a detrimental effect on the game as a whole.

Currently, the majority of players in Midgard idea of fun in RvR is taking and defending keeps, hence our greatly reduced presence in emain recently. Prior to us getting the relics our options were as follows: -

1) Try and take hibbie keeps/relics during 'primetime'. Fails because most of the time we dont have the numbers to get past the hib and alb zergs in emain. The few times we do manage to get through are quite fun as the hibbies actually come to retake.

2) Try and take alb keeps/relics during 'primetime'. Taking the keeps is fairly pointless as the albs rarely come to try and retake them if they are defended, instead heading to Excalibur to defend in large numbers. And we have next to no chance of taking an alb relic during 'primetime' as a result.

3) Guard the keeps in our frontier that noone even looks at because we have no relics to get.

Since getting the relics, the situation within the midgard frontier has improved greatly from an RvR perspective, alb/hibs have a reason to go there, and we have a reason to defend our milegates and keeps.

I am more than happy to admit that the circumstances in which we gained the relics werent ideal, but I also feel that the LFOM-alliance made the right move. The activity levels within Midgard were gradually dropping and had even reached the point that our #1 exp spot for 45+ has been empty during 'primetime' hours.

As for your comments concerning the server spiraling into chaos where relics change hands on a nightly basis, I think you are wrong. All sides have attempted 'primetime' raids recently and I suspect that they will continue to do so, at least with the current situation there are more choices as targets, and more opportunites for good RvR

Finally, I suggest you take a step back from it and try to look at things from a Midgard perspective. Hopefully, you will then be able to see why this was necessary in the first place.

 

[gwal]

sigh :/ mids... u suck, sorry to say it. ur nightime raids will only lead to more of those kinds. and I do NOT, NEVER EVER, belive in any of u saying u cant take a relic outside such a laaame ass time as u have done. killgorde proved to u that all it takes is tactics, and that was with the hardest of all relics to take.

 

[MiZzZerY]

plz hlpo meh m8z!!!!

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by gwal
sigh :/ mids... u suck, sorry to say it. ur nightime raids will only lead to more of those kinds. and I do NOT, NEVER EVER, belive in any of u saying u cant take a relic outside such a laaame ass time as u have done. killgorde proved to u that all it takes is tactics, and that was with the hardest of all relics to take.

And that is coming from an Alb....an Alb....rotflmao. You invented nigthtime raids ffs. Oh no...that would mean that albs suck :/...hmm...well they do, but that is beside the point.

You can come here and brag about your last raid not beeing a nigthtime raid, but still the fact was that it was done during PvP on Gorre. And don't you tell me that the albs did not see this and didn't take advantage of it.

btw...Dagda is harder to take than Excalibur, and we will be coming for it soon (I hope)

 

[Vasconcelos]

Originally posted by Runolaz


You can come here and brag about your last raid not beeing a nigthtime raid, but still the fact was that it was done during PvP on Gorre. And don't you tell me that the albs did not see this and didn't take advantage of it.

So basically u meant NO RELIC RAIDS ALLOWED AFTER PVP???

 

[kameh]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos


So basically u meant NO RELIC RAIDS ALLOWED AFTER PVP???

No more stupid than saying there shouldnt be raids when it's inconvenient to the hibs or albs

 

[Runolaz]

Originally posted by Vasconcelos


So basically u meant NO RELIC RAIDS ALLOWED AFTER PVP???

No, I don't have a problem with it. I think it was well planned, and to speek frankly it is possible that we Mids needed it to get off our asses.