Scum

[Wij]

why is this so different to all of the other stabbings that happen? why do these three men deserve to be strung up in particular?

Because we've seen it. It isn't just a statistic. That's how people work like it or not. pm me when you become human rather than a political poseur thx.

 

[mank!]

no mank, not just these. everyone who murders someone like that.

murdering in self defence is another story imo.

i don't see any other threads about the other stabbings recently, condemning those. it's a shame that it takes a piece of sensationalist reporting and shock tactics to make people think.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4995800.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5023422.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/5022770.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/tees/5019010.stm

 

[tris-]

your view of it is biased due to the way in which the information is presented to you. the shock tactics of the video is designed to heighten the emotion you feel

no, like i said it didnt shock me in the slightest :/

i did infact feel this way before i watched the video
that last story is the one that happend at my uni

Murder in self defence isnt murder though is it.

what ever it is, sadly its still punishable :/

 

[mank!]

Because we've seen it. It isn't just a statistic. That's how people work like it or not. pm me when you become human rather than a political poseur thx.

i'm not trying to stir shit or anything like that, but you've just said what i'm trying to say.

i feel uncomfortable with the fact that it takes a piece of sensationalist reporting to make someone's death become more than just a statistic.

i'd happily like to see all of these murderers locked away for life in solitary loneliness until their natural end, but my feeling is based on more than just a video - i'm not accusing anyone in particular, i'm aware of the fact that the majority of people on here are intelligent enough to form their own opinions without the help of a newspaper which is mroe interested with big brother than anything else.

sadly some people aren't so able to form their own opinions, which worries me...

"i did infact feel this way before i watched the video"

furry muff then!

 

[throdgrain]

You dont really know that Mank. You're just forming opinions about other peoples opinions, based on 2 lines of text.

 

[Wij]

i feel uncomfortable with the fact that it takes a piece of sensationalist reporting to make someone's death become more than just a statistic.

Why do you think people make films like Hotel Rwanda ? It's because people can't just take in a statistic and feel it like we've actually seen it. That's what makes us human rather than robots.

 

[old.user4556]

That's what makes us human rather than robots.

Beedy beedy beedy, i'm not so sure.

 

[Mey]

I have yet to actually see the video (link didn't work for me) but i am still shocked by the fact that people could do that to another person, guess i'm just a big softy who loves Boris Johnson.

 

[Escape]

I detect some over reacting in this thread... people get killed everyday. Why blame the Leftists, they aren't even in power!


imho, bad parenting, or the complete lack of it is responsible.
"People" wanted a morally degraded society, and now it's here!

 

[]AC[dRuM]

I blame the poncy, well educated wankers from rural middle England who negotiate and set the laws that are supposed to protect society.

Chavs and thugs do not make the laws.

 

[Cozak]

I blame the poncy, well educated wankers from rural middle England who negotiate and set the laws that are supposed to protect society.

Chavs and thugs do not make the laws.

Nor do they stay within them. I would rather have a country full of 'well educated wankers from rural middle England' than the pieces of shit in that video.

 

[Mey]

I blame the poncy, well educated wankers from rural middle England who negotiate and set the laws that are supposed to protect society.

Chavs and thugs do not make the laws.

The problem with chavs is they don't have a social class, they believe that they are above everyone, they believe that they are better than anyone, to get a credit card is so easy these days that they can "afford" (when I say afford I mean get - then come to the bank and moan that they can't pay it back, fucking ridiculous tbh) to have the designer stuff, and the best things that most people work all there life for. Walk down any council estate and I guarantee there will be top of the model cars on it. Whys that? Because we let em' get away with it, rather than buying cars we should make them buy houses.

 

[Ch3tan]

Well done to the victims family for releasing this video, this kind of thing happens with more and more frequency and it is about time this country wakes up the shit hole it is rapidly becoming.

Yes the Sun may be sensationlising it, but they are not the only people showing the clip.

If your offended by the clip then moan to the victims family for allowing it to be shown.

 

[TdC]

I can barely believe that was real

 

[Clown]

Shit like that happens quite often round here. The one closest to home that affected most of us was when my friend's mum got stabbed by her boyfriend. She ended up in a wheelchair after he hit something in the neck. She's now able to walk with crutches after months of physio-therapy. He only stopped because her youngest son, a toddler, started crying. Neighbours heard the screams from a few floors up. Police were called in and they were helped as much as they could have been helped, but I think people wanted to do stuff themselves.

I dunno if we found him, and I don't I want to know.

 

[Marc]

people having a go at tom, did you not see the big bit in black and white letters that you had to click saying "WARNING, CONTAINS SHOCKING IMAGES OF VIOLENCE"?

 

[JingleBells]

people having a go at tom, did you not see the big bit in black and white letters that you had to click saying "WARNING, CONTAINS SHOCKING IMAGES OF VIOLENCE"?

Um, originally, it was a link straight to the video, Note the "edited by Will" part, he changed it to the Sun article due to the complaints.

 

[Marc]

Um, originally, it was a link straight to the video, Note the "edited by Will" part, he changed it to the Sun article due to the complaints.

fair enough then. My mistake

 

[]AC[dRuM]

Whys that? Because we let em' get away with it

Important point that.

The reasonably educated majority that make up the bulk of our civilised society do let the minority get away with it, how many people here are active within local government in a move to campaign for change? Likewise the well educated charged with the responsability of looking after society (by process of election) are failing to protect the decent majority of society.

Which then brings us to this point..........

Nor do they stay within them. I would rather have a country full of 'well educated wankers from rural middle England' than the pieces of shit in that video.

The society which makes up the United Kingdom is for the greater part made up of reasonably educated middle class citizens, working hard getting on with their lives, they deal with the day to day shit that life throws at them.

So who is to blame?

Us? The educated masses for letting them get away with it? Or the government charged with looking after society? I live in a country where I can fiddle around with a 5 year old girl or sexually abuse an 80 year old woman and rob her of her life savings and walk away with a 5 year sentence. But if I rob a bank I could be looking at 12 years. So please do not tell me that the laws of this land (decided upon by very rich poncy wankers with little to no grasp of what its like in the real world) are structured to protect society.

We already have a society were the majority are reasonably educated and yet we are still being brought to our knees as a nation by the minority. Do the well educated powers that be really give a fuck. No they do not. As a society we should structure ourselves in such a way so as to protect ourselves but then again us the educated majority are so busy paying for our 4 bed semi, inc BMW and CC bills that we really do not have the time to be bothered about anything until some greasy tabloid splashes a story about.

It's been fun chatting about real world issues but I must go and level up on WOW, then take the BM for a service just in time to catch Eastenders and Big Brother, will Grant shag yet another bird! And will that tranny on BB really top himself!! Ohhhh real life rocks!

 

[tris-]

i ask again - why are people so shocked to see real life?

im not being a twat for the sake of it btw. i just really cant understand it.

 

[TdC]

Tris, I'm a bit shocked because in my version of real life random people do not go around stabbing random other people.

the only thing I was thinking on top of that was "so much for street cams as a preventive crime measure". harsh? maybe.

 

[ZiggY]

Make sure there internal organs have a home then hang them simple!

 

[tris-]

Tris, I'm a bit shocked because in my version of real life random people do not go around stabbing random other people.
.

indeed. i suppose not much goes on inside a server room

 

[Mey]

I can honestly say i have never seen nor been a victim of Knife Crime, luckliy.. So ye the thought of some random guy going to another guy and stabing him for no reason makes me abit worried when im out in the "real" world next year..

 

[]AC[dRuM]

Just out of curiosity how many here live (or have been brought up) in an inner city area? I feel a potential >> << reply here.

 

[JingleBells]

Just out of curiosity how many here live (or have been brought up) in an inner city area? I feel a potential >> << reply here.

I live about 1.5 miles away from the centre of manchester, why?

 

[]AC[dRuM]

You more than anyone should appreciate how hard it is for "decent" families who live on council estates? So many here from the rural heart of (fuck knows where) that are quick to criticise life on a council estate from the bedroom of their parents 4 bed semi.....

 

[Chilly]

You more than anyone should appreciate how hard it is for "decent" families who live on council estates? So many here from the rural heart of (fuck knows where) that are quick to criticise life on a council estate from the bedroom of their parents 4 bed semi.....

pah, semi's are for peasants.

 

[throdgrain]

I live in a council estate. For what its worth, the vast, huge majority of houses have been bought, but you get my meaning I hope. Hell, 90% of Crawley is a council estate.
I have two children. Are they baseball cap, adidas wearing scum that hang about outside the Spar? No, they're not. Because Ive not brought them up to be like that.
At the end of the day its down to the parents almost completely.

 

[Cozak]

Important point that.

The reasonably educated majority that make up the bulk of our civilised society do let the minority get away with it, how many people here are active within local government in a move to campaign for change? Likewise the well educated charged with the responsability of looking after society (by process of election) are failing to protect the decent majority of society.

Which then brings us to this point..........



The society which makes up the United Kingdom is for the greater part made up of reasonably educated middle class citizens, working hard getting on with their lives, they deal with the day to day shit that life throws at them.

So who is to blame?

Us? The educated masses for letting them get away with it? Or the government charged with looking after society? I live in a country where I can fiddle around with a 5 year old girl or sexually abuse an 80 year old woman and rob her of her life savings and walk away with a 5 year sentence. But if I rob a bank I could be looking at 12 years. So please do not tell me that the laws of this land (decided upon by very rich poncy wankers with little to no grasp of what its like in the real world) are structured to protect society.

We already have a society were the majority are reasonably educated and yet we are still being brought to our knees as a nation by the minority. Do the well educated powers that be really give a fuck. No they do not. As a society we should structure ourselves in such a way so as to protect ourselves but then again us the educated majority are so busy paying for our 4 bed semi, inc BMW and CC bills that we really do not have the time to be bothered about anything until some greasy tabloid splashes a story about.

It's been fun chatting about real world issues but I must go and level up on WOW, then take the BM for a service just in time to catch Eastenders and Big Brother, will Grant shag yet another bird! And will that tranny on BB really top himself!! Ohhhh real life rocks!

I fail to see your point, if the laws are not there to protect the land and its inhabitants then what are they there for? The three in that video did not get away with it, thats what the police are there for to stop the minority from getting away with it. Are you trying to defend the chav scum that go around breaking the laws? I dont know any 'very rich poncy wankers with little to no grasp of what its like in the real world' who go around randomly stabbing people or causing shit like the vast majority of the chav scum do.