Rvr druid nerf

[Dave J.]

And where did you get the adding part from if I might ask you?
This is about shearing someone and leaving him on low HP I do not see 1 person saying anything about liking to add but that could be me.

Different sorts of lameness, but still lame.

 

[Void959]

Though they are certainly the minority, there are plenty of honerable stealthers (meaning don't add on 1v1s or 8v8s, don't stealth zerg) out there, and if you'd played a solo character you'd know them better. I'm not suggesting anyone should play a soloer just for this reason as it's quite dull these days, but lumping all stealthers together because of what you don't see is more than just ignorant.

 

[Andrilyn]

but lumping all stealthers together because of what you don't see is more than just ignorant.

How is that Ignorant? How can you judge a person that you cannot see, hear or notice at all untill he attacks you or someone else?
I base my actions towards people in this game upon what I saw them do ingame, this is not possible for stealthers as you cannot see them not "add" you can only see them when they do.
It's ignorant if you judge people on what you heard people say about them without seeing it yourself.

 

[Graendel]

Though they are certainly the minority, there are plenty of honerable stealthers (meaning don't add on 1v1s or 8v8s, don't stealth zerg) out there, and if you'd played a solo character you'd know them better. I'm not suggesting anyone should play a soloer just for this reason as it's quite dull these days, but lumping all stealthers together because of what you don't see is more than just ignorant.

I know who those five guys are. Euinar told me. So they get left alone. Ignorant, isn't it?

 

[Void959]

How is that Ignorant? How can you judge a person that you cannot see, hear or notice at all untill he attacks you or someone else?
I base my actions towards people in this game upon what I saw them do ingame, this is not possible for stealthers as you cannot see them not "add" you can only see them when they do.
It's ignorant if you judge people on what you heard people say about them without seeing it yourself.

It's ignorant to judge a person without knowing them based on their class, by all means add on those who add on you, but if you shear people who you don't even know etc. then they'll be very likely to add on you back was my point, even if they wouldn't otherwise.

And yes it would be ignorand to judge someone based on what I've heard about them, but I don't do that. I don't make any judgement about a player I've never seen before.

 

[Graendel]

Hey Moshi, it'd be kind of ignorant of people to judge you from some FH post wouldn't it? Good thing this place is full of honourable people.

If anyone wants to prove my point wrong about stealthers, just do /wave next time instead of PA or crit shot.

 

[Andrilyn]

It's ignorant to judge a person without knowing them based on their class, by all means add on those who add on you, but if you shear people who you don't even know etc. then they'll be very likely to add on you back was my point, even if they wouldn't otherwise.

So next time I get attacked by a stealther I dont know I should just stand there like a lemon?

 

[Void959]

So next time I get attacked by a stealther I dont know I should just stand there like a lemon?

You keep missing my point, but since it wasn't directed specifically at you, nevermind.

 

[rure]

Like I said Shike if you think it's griefing report it as griefing is against the "spirit of the game" you will see GOA will not find this griefing yet using the abilities you have.

That is exactly what griefing is - shearing them and leaving them at the spot. What you fail to understand is that there are different types of griefing, just because GOA dont ban you for it doesnt mean its griefing.

I can only refer to wikipedias definition of a griefer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefing

/edit: Hence, the "add remark" from Dave J.

 

[toxii]

rofl

so stealthers and stealthzerg in general are allowed to steamroll you but at the same time you aren't allowed to buff shear them?
and thats griefing ?

so what is full shearing a wizard , including morph in a busy irvr zone by a full group of high realm rank hibs
or what is it when i permanently get fully buff sheared on scout when watching fights but still dont die ^^

but of course its griefing bcos an rr11 ALB does it you fucking sad *****,
noone says a word about certain rr11 other casters/tanks adding on small scale rvr fights, or even fg fights

daoc is a game, you play it for fun, not for moral lessons
if you wanna teach someone morale, you pay his subs kkthx

edit: WTF WITH THE ****** ??

 

[Puppet]

I know who those five guys are. Euinar told me. So they get left alone. Ignorant, isn't it?

It's under the assumption that Euinar knows what honourable is, and can recognize honour.

Now correct me if Im wrong, but Euinar isnt active on his mincer in solo-stealther warfare, so my question is how did he get obtain this knowledge?

Ofcourse totally discarding the fact that Euinar was one of the most honourable stealthers in OF never adding, stealthzerging or even running in @ Mach5 from AMG to Bowl to add on someone already fighting 2+ Alb-stealthers.

Oh the irony xD

 

[Corran]

It's under the assumption that Euinar knows what honourable is, and can recognize honour.

Now correct me if Im wrong, but Euinar isnt active on his mincer in solo-stealther warfare, so my question is how did he get obtain this knowledge?

Ofcourse totally discarding the fact that Euinar was one of the most honourable stealthers in OF never adding, stealthzerging or even running in @ Mach5 from AMG to Bowl to add on someone already fighting 2+ Alb-stealthers.

Oh the irony xD

Wouldnt start on what happened in OF if i were you considering the shit you used to pull... hell the start of NF you were good at running as a +1 to a guild group just so you could spam arrows through bodyguarded targets they were too shit to deal with!

 

[Gamah]

Dunno about you guys but will add on Moshi now just to make sure I don't get randomly sheared during a fight with someone else!

 

[Dave J.]

Dunno about you guys but will add on Moshi now just to make sure I don't get randomly sheared during a fight with someone else!

Ditto! Better add with my FG as well to keep him off the frontier as long as possible!

 

[illu]

The Circle of DAOC

10 print "Stealthers don't like Casters/Shearers"
20 print "Casters/Shearers don't like Stealthers"
20 goto 10
Run

There will always be a feud between the visibles and the non-visibles. There is also a sub-feud between the non-visibles.
"Adopt an Assassin today - they need to be fluffled"

Oli - Illu

 

[liloe]

And where did you get the adding part from if I might ask you?
This is about shearing someone and leaving him on low HP I do not see 1 person saying anything about liking to add but that could be me.

To say it with the so loved words here. Hey, both is within the boundaries of the game...


But if you ask me, it's pretty crap. Been ages since I played my ranger, so I don't think I'm really biased about stealther RvR. Either you finish it or you let it be completely.

Sure, maybe other people piss you off from time to time, but that's no reason to assault everybody else for it. So stealthers add on his cleric in fg fights? Tough luck, it happens, but it doesn't mean that every stealther would do it. Like I said: I have my special guests who will always recieve special treatment cause they've been like they are for ages, but I look at the others quite indifferently.

 

[Phake]

just make buffs as they are on classic server with no BBs etc .. that would kill this discussion.. and actually make all the "soloers" out there actually solo .. coz as it is now .. they are playing 2 chars allways ..

 

[xanir]

just make buffs as they are on classic server with no BBs etc .. that would kill this discussion.. and actually make all the "soloers" out there actually solo .. coz as it is now .. they are playing 2 chars allways ..

Yes, I was in fact just begging for someone to come along with this usual garbage

 

[liloe]

just make buffs as they are on classic server with no BBs etc .. that would kill this discussion.. and actually make all the "soloers" out there actually solo .. coz as it is now .. they are playing 2 chars allways ..

Cool, someone brought up a new argument which has never been discussed before. And ofc it would balance the situation for soloers a lot, cause classes like vamps, rangers, heretics, shammys etc. etc. wouldn't have an advantage in solo RvR then.

Or imagine nat druids with convoker vs. unbuffed enemies, ololol, the new gods of solo they would be.

 

[Shike]

Two words for you: Warlock. Bonedancer.

Shrug, I jump em and usually kill em unless I fuck up. (read, miss PA) To me they aint an unfair fight, since its hit/miss.

Why shear some stealther you come across (if he's not killed)? Well, someone who is sheared has to go back for rebuff. That means for five minutes or so they are unlikely to add on a fg fight. Sounds decent.

Mmm, that stealther you just sheared, will most likely add on your next fight, just because hes pissed off with the twat that sheared him. I would definetely add on your group, only because you deserve it after doing such a thing. Instead of just leaving fight be, you get an add, gratzulations.

My attitude on stealthers comes from the fact I get jumped by them in 25% of our fights vs other groups. Sympathy runs out.

Perhaps stealthers lost sympathy for the FG's they jump, most FGs actually do add and do silly stuff, even when its ongoing fights such as 1vs1's. Funniest so far was an albgroup, they grappled me so I couldnt hit anymore, then they nuked SB down, and then me. Thats just bs and ofc I add on such groups, they ask for it when adding on everything else. Its an evul circle but the ones that always starts it for me is the FG's or trios or whatever, if they leave my fights be, I have no reason to add whatsoever.

As for why shearing is the most fun on cleric is simply because it is the most visible thing and one of the few offensive things we can do. When I manage to get my shears off in between heals I feel like I have utility, which makes it very nice.

Ah, I misunderstood you abit, nm.

And seriously, I rolled cleric to play in a fg. Solo in a rvr zone is me either trying to find my way to the group or to get somewhere safe after a fight gone bad. And I'm betting 100g there are more flames inc now from someone else with a stealther alt.

 

[Andrilyn]

Dunno about you guys but will add on Moshi now just to make sure I don't get randomly sheared during a fight with someone else!

Yeah could always use the RPs and wouldn't expect anything less from you anyway

 

[Andrilyn]

Sure, maybe other people piss you off from time to time, but that's no reason to assault everybody else for it. So stealthers add on his cleric in fg fights? Tough luck, it happens, but it doesn't mean that every stealther would do it. Like I said: I have my special guests who will always recieve special treatment cause they've been like they are for ages, but I look at the others quite indifferently.

And what about all those people that insa "add" on Warlocks "just because it's a Warlock", it's the same though people don't whine about it as it's generally accepted to zerg, add and go for them on sight no matter what.
I am doing the same thing yet with stealthers and now everyone is whining their socks off, but ofc there's hardly any hypocrits on FH

 

[kivik]

Yeah could always use the RPs and wouldn't expect anything less from you anyway

Hm did I miss something or are you actually happy stealthers add on you now so you can get the RPs?

 

[liloe]

And what about all those people that insa "add" on Warlocks "just because it's a Warlock", it's the same though people don't whine about it as it's generally accepted to zerg, add and go for them on sight no matter what.
I am doing the same thing yet with stealthers and now everyone is whining their socks off, but ofc there's hardly any hypocrits on FH

Well Warlocks and Bonedancers are not really fair when solo if you ask me....but then again, I'm not your PR manager so you can do whatever you like best, your reputation is not really what I care for =)

Although I wouldn't get a WL / BD to 5% health sheared and stuff, I'd just zerg him down for good

 

[Andrilyn]

Hm did I miss something or are you actually happy stealthers add on you now so you can get the RPs?

No I expect them to "add" when they see the chance fit I.e Half a group is down after a FG v FG fight.

 

[Shike]

No I expect them to "add" when they see the chance fit I.e Half a group is down after a FG v FG fight.

well, just a simple question, do you think stealthers will add less on you and your group after your statements in this thread?

 

[kivik]

well, just a simple question, do you think stealthers will add less on you and your group after your statements in this thread?

And do you think stealthers that normally never would add or zerg will start add on you and your grp, moshi?

 

[kivik]

Think about it for a while you might realise that what you are doing isn't helping you at all, atleast I hope so.

 

[Andrilyn]

well, just a simple question, do you think stealthers will add less on you and your group after your statements in this thread?

Not really no but like I said I expect them to attack me anyway when the chance is there and this thread will not matter one bit as they won't all of a sudden attack a FG with 3 stealthers, wish they would yet they probably wouldn't.
And when I run I deal with stealther adds and unless it's a FG stealthers it's just free RPs even if only 3-4 add, hench my thanks for the RPs Gamah comment.

And do you think stealthers that normally never would add or zerg will start add on you and your grp, moshi?

That would be the 3ish stealthers with any decency left on the server, and 3 more stealther adds wouldn't matter one bit.

 

[Phake]

Cool, someone brought up a new argument which has never been discussed before. And ofc it would balance the situation for soloers a lot, cause classes like vamps, rangers, heretics, shammys etc. etc. wouldn't have an advantage in solo RvR then.

Or imagine nat druids with convoker vs. unbuffed enemies, ololol, the new gods of solo they would be.

ofcuz im not talking about balance .. im not an idiot hehe .. though the fact that BBs dont work on classic was one of the "features" i liked .. nothing wrong with liking that is it?