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You do realise how much money he has raised and donated, right?
His net wealth has doubled since 2010 to 118 billion.

One hundred and eighteen billion dollars.

He's not earning that any more. He's not had to do fuck all for fifty-nine billion dollars. Not even make a cup of tea.

So I don't give a shit how much he's given away "so far". He's clearly not giving it away fast enough. How much does he need to be sat on?
 

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His net wealth has doubled since 2010 to 118 billion.

One hundred and eighteen billion dollars.

He's not earning that any more. He's not had to do fuck all for fifty-nine billion dollars. Not even make a cup of tea.

So I don't give a shit how much he's given away "so far". He's clearly not giving it away fast enough. How much does he need to be sat on?
I dislike your double-negative... have restrained from using the bad grammar button ;)
 

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Not a perfect system but he's doing far better with his lot than others in similar circumstances.
I don't disagree. But when your unearned wealth has doubled in a decade then it's clear he could be doing a lot more.

I do put him ahead of most - but it's not really saying much is it.
 

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His net wealth has doubled since 2010 to 118 billion.

One hundred and eighteen billion dollars.

He's not earning that any more. He's not had to do fuck all for fifty-nine billion dollars. Not even make a cup of tea.

So I don't give a shit how much he's given away "so far". He's clearly not giving it away fast enough. How much does he need to be sat on?
Isn't his 'net worth' based on his ownership of companies and barely in cash?

I mean sure, with these people the money they generate is about power and influence, but if Gates decided to donate everything to charity, all it would mean that his source of money would just be split between other billionaires who are less charitable.
 

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I don't disagree. But when your unearned wealth has doubled in a decade then it's clear he could be doing a lot more.

I do put him ahead of most - but it's not really saying much is it.
So you prefer he gave it all away and just went away or that he had assets to generate more billions that he could then give away?

I think I prefer the cash cow method really
 

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So you prefer he gave it all away and just went away or that he had assets to generate more billions that he could then give away
If he wants to funnel his cash through the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation then, in this economy, fair enough (it eschews democratic control over that wealth and leaves direction over where it's spent in the hands of one man, rather than a society - but I'm not going to cry over that - like I said, I'm more positive on Bill Gates than most of the multibillionaires).

However, his holdings will be in shares, investments, gilts and bonds etc. Like any portfolio - and a portfolio of that size will have asset management companies at the helm. I won't say that they're doing a great job - largely the reason that multibillionaires have seen their unearned-wealth grow since the 2008 crash is that we've been printing money, sticking it in a pipeline that goes directly to the super-rich - rather than doing "good" with it the proportion of global wealth has been accelerating into the hands of a tiny few (and we're reaping the benefit in terms of inflation now. Fucking ace eh?).

Regardless - how much does he need to live on? A billion quid? How about half of his 118bn? Even the most profligate of spenders should be able to live on $59 billion, right? I mean, things might get tight...

So why doesn't he transfer ownership of that other half of his assets directly to the foundation? Then the foundation will be able to massively ramp up it's ambitions - and benefit from the money-pipeline directly.

What's he fucking waiting for? - as a director of the foundation he'll still have control of it anyway, so why the delay?
 
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Just to put his wealth in perspective - half of Bill Gate's $118bn fortune equals or beats the Gross Domestic Product of all of these countries.


74Ghana$59.00 billion
75Bulgaria$58.22 billion
76Costa Rica$57.29 billion
77Uruguay$56.16 billion
78Croatia$55.21 billion
79Belarus$54.46 billion
80Lebanon$53.58 billion
81Tanzania$53.32 billion
82Macao$50.36 billion
83Uzbekistan$49.68 billion
84Slovenia$48.77 billion
85Lithuania$47.54 billion
86Serbia$41.43 billion
87Azerbaijan$40.75 billion
88Jordan$40.07 billion
89Tunisia$39.95 billion
90Paraguay$39.67 billion
91Libya$38.11 billion
92Turkmenistan$37.93 billion
93DR Congo$37.64 billion
94Bolivia$37.51 billion
95Côte d'Ivoire$37.35 billion
96Bahrain$35.43 billion
97Cameroon$34.92 billion
98Yemen$31.27 billion
99Latvia$30.46 billion
100Estonia$26.61 billion
101Uganda$26.00 billion
102Zambia$25.87 billion
103Nepal$24.88 billion
104El Salvador$24.81 billion
105Iceland$24.49 billion
106Honduras$22.98 billion
107Cambodia$22.16 billion
108Trinidad and Tobago$22.08 billion
109Cyprus$22.05 billion
110Zimbabwe$22.04 billion
111Senegal$21.07 billion
112Papua New Guinea$20.54 billion
113Afghanistan$19.54 billion
114Bosnia and Herzegovina$18.05 billion
115Botswana$17.41 billion
116Laos$16.85 billion
117Mali$15.33 billion
118Georgia$15.08 billion
119Gabon$15.01 billion
120Jamaica$14.78 billion
121State of Palestine$14.50 billion
122Nicaragua$13.81 billion
123Mauritius$13.27 billion
124Namibia$13.25 billion
125Albania$13.04 billion
126Mozambique$12.65 billion
127Malta$12.52 billion
128Burkina Faso$12.32 billion
129Equatorial Guinea$12.29 billion
130Bahamas$12.16 billion
131Brunei$12.13 billion
132Armenia$11.54 billion
133Madagascar$11.50 billion
134Mongolia$11.43 billion
135North Macedonia$11.28 billion
136Guinea$10.47 billion
137Chad$9.87 billion
138Benin$9.25 billion
139Rwanda$9.14 billion
140Congo$8.70 billion
141Haiti$8.41 billion
142Moldova$8.13 billion
143Niger$8.12 billion
144Kyrgyzstan$7.56 billion
145Tajikistan$7.15 billion
146Malawi$6.30 billion
147Guam$5.86 billion
148Fiji$5.06 billion
149Mauritania$5.02 billion
150Maldives$4.87 billion
151Montenegro$4.84 billion
152Togo$4.76 billion
153Barbados$4.67 billion
154Eswatini$4.43 billion
155Sierra Leone$3.78 billion
156Guyana$3.62 billion
157Liberia$3.29 billion
158Burundi$3.17 billion
159Andorra$3.01 billion
160Suriname$3.00 billion
161Timor-Leste$2.95 billion
162Aruba$2.70 billion
163Lesotho$2.58 billion
164Bhutan$2.53 billion
165Central African Republic$1.95 billion
166Belize$1.86 billion
167Cabo Verde$1.77 billion
168Saint Lucia$1.74 billion
169San Marino$1.63 billion
170Northern Mariana Islands$1.59 billion
171Antigua and Barbuda$1.51 billion
172Seychelles$1.50 billion
173Gambia$1.49 billion
174Guinea-Bissau$1.35 billion
175Solomon Islands$1.30 billion
176Grenada$1.13 billion
177Comoros$1.07 billion
178Saint Kitts & Nevis$992 million
179Vanuatu$863 million
180Samoa$841 million
181St. Vincent & Grenadines$785 million
182American Samoa$634 million
183Dominica$497 million
184Tonga$428 million
185Sao Tome & Principe$393 million
186Micronesia$336 million
187Palau$290 million
188Marshall Islands$204 million
189Kiribati$186 million
190Tuvalu$40 million
 

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If he wants to funnel his cash through the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation then, in this economy, fair enough (it eschews democratic control over that wealth and leaves direction over where it's spent in the hands of one man, rather than a society - but I'm not going to cry over that - like I said, I'm more positive on Bill Gates than most of the multibillionaires).

However, his holdings will be in shares, investments, gilts and bonds etc. Like any portfolio - and a portfolio of that size will have asset management companies at the helm. I won't say that they're doing a great job - largely the reason that multibillionaires have seen their unearned-wealth grow since the 2008 crash is that we've been printing money, sticking it in a pipeline that goes directly to the super-rich - rather than doing "good" with it the proportion of global wealth has been accelerating into the hands of a tiny few (and we're reaping the benefit in terms of inflation now. Fucking ace eh?).

Regardless - how much does he need to live on? A billion quid? How about half of his 118bn? Even the most profligate of spenders should be able to live on $59 billion, right? I mean, things might get tight...

So why doesn't he transfer ownership of that other half of his assets directly to the foundation? Then the foundation will be able to massively ramp up it's ambitions - and benefit from the money-pipeline directly.

What's he fucking waiting for? - as a director of the foundation he'll still have control of it anyway, so why the delay?
What's the difference in him holding onto his assets and his charity or even other charities holding onto his assets?

They'll either sell up and have a massive but temporary 100bn to spend or they treat it like an investment and have a tiny fraction to spend but forever.
 

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What's the difference in him holding onto his assets and his charity or even other charities holding onto his assets?

They'll either sell up and have a massive but temporary 100bn to spend or they treat it like an investment and have a tiny fraction to spend but forever.
If he's donating he can mandate how it's managed going forward - even after his death.


This is the problem with philanthropy though. It's an exercise in private power over the public sphere. And it's not benign - we shouldn't be automatically "grateful" for it - we should scrutinise it. - like we should when rich christian twats die and philanthropically fund abstinence programs and all the fuckwittery that comes with them.

Philanthropy is the result of democratic failure to properly manage powerful economic resources for societally agreed upon good.


Like I said, I give Gates a lot of leeway. But I'm not a syncophantic dick-sucker just because he's (slowly) giving some of his cash to projects that stroke his own interest and ego.
 

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If he's donating he can mandate how it's managed going forward - even after his death.


This is the problem with philanthropy though. It's an exercise in private power over the public sphere. And it's not benign - we shouldn't be automatically "grateful" for it - we should scrutinise it. - like we should when rich christian twats die and philanthropically fund abstinence programs and all the fuckwittery that comes with them.

Philanthropy is the result of democratic failure to properly manage powerful economic resources for societally agreed upon good.


Like I said, I give Gates a lot of leeway. But I'm not a syncophantic dick-sucker just because he's (slowly) giving some of his cash to projects that stroke his own interest and ego.
I just see it as 'nice one' not omg you're amazing Gates & Buffet.

They both could give far less to charity and it'd be considered acceptable.
 

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They both could give far less to charity and it'd be considered acceptable.
Yep. But that's because we're fucked up and dumb.

The fact that we consider it acceptable for any human to be "worth" $118 billion is idiotic.
 

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If he's donating he can mandate how it's managed going forward - even after his death.


This is the problem with philanthropy though. It's an exercise in private power over the public sphere. And it's not benign - we shouldn't be automatically "grateful" for it - we should scrutinise it. - like we should when rich christian twats die and philanthropically fund abstinence programs and all the fuckwittery that comes with them.

Philanthropy is the result of democratic failure to properly manage powerful economic resources for societally agreed upon good.


Like I said, I give Gates a lot of leeway. But I'm not a syncophantic dick-sucker just because he's (slowly) giving some of his cash to projects that stroke his own interest and ego.
So you are saying the problem is he shouldnt have any rights to his own wealth how he should use it?
Even though he is contributing billions of $'s?

I've no idea how his wealth is structured for him to contribute more and what his end goal is. But I'm not sure *you* have the right to say he needs to give more. Do you donate the same % of your net worth to charity?
From what I can tell he has contributed approx $50bill and his net worth is $118bill. I'd say your "complaint" isnt justified really.

Perhaps every person in the world donated that same % to charity. Not sure why you are so focused on one of the most generous people in trhe world.

He has also pledged this Bill and Melinda Gates to give 95% of wealth to charity

View: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-11565953
 
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Oh bugger off @dysfunction - if you can't see the difference between "wealthy" and a hundred billion dollars (especially given these sums are largely associated with entire countries, not individuals) - and the need for democratic oversight of such power then there's no sensible discussion to be had.
 

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Supposedly I'm 34 years old - I still have no fucking clue what to ask for when I get a haircut.

The wife is the ONLY person who can cut it properly because I let her butcher my hair over the lockdown to find something I liked. Sigh.
 

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The lazy fucking bastard DPD driver who for the second day in a row, drove down my street and didn't deliver my parcel. Literally stood and watched him drive off from my window. No attempt at delivery. Just called the company who use them to deliver what I've ordered to complain.

Either do your job or fuck off.
 

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Anyone who thinks Jordan Peterson is worth listening to:


View: https://youtu.be/KUq7v6Pne_4
The great thing about selecting clips like that is the view from the guy commenting is obviously biased towards Dawkins. You can cut and slice up anything to make it sound like somebody else is talking trash.

He isn't wrong, but this is a really good (Or bad? Depending on view) example of Peterson just not being clear. Some of his other / more targeted stuff isn't terrible.

I'd still not use him as a barometer for thought though.
 

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The great thing about selecting clips like that is the view from the guy commenting is obviously biased towards Dawkins. You can cut and slice up anything to make it sound like somebody else is talking trash.

He isn't wrong, but this is a really good (Or bad? Depending on view) example of Peterson just not being clear. Some of his other / more targeted stuff isn't terrible.

I'd still not use him as a barometer for thought though.
I’ve never heard Peterson say anything that isn’t either obvious, trite, confused, meaningless or wrong. He’s a grifter who knows how to sound clever to people who aren’t.
 

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Car insurance renewals. Esure want to put it up to £565 a year with a 13 year no claims. Yeah, no mate.
 

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I mean:


It's not even randomly annoying. It's kind of infuriating.

Plus - how do you get lost on a mountain with clear paths everywhere? Pick one. Get down!
 

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