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[Raven]

Building firms that still think charging for a quote is a thing.

 

[dysfunction]

Building firms that still think charging for a quote is a thing.

How are they still in business doing stuff like that?

 

[Gwadien]

Building firms that still think charging for a quote is a thing.

Domestic or work?

 

[Scouse]

Old bloke hanging on to his money for far too long, but wanting praise for it:

Bill Gates vows to drop off world's rich list

The Microsoft co-founder says he will move a further $20bn into his philanthropic foundation.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Raven]

Domestic or work?

Domestic.

Got a free quote from someone reputable, but want a 2nd from somewhere else.

 

[Raven]

Old bloke hanging on to his money for far too long, but wanting praise for it:

Bill Gates vows to drop off world's rich list

The Microsoft co-founder says he will move a further $20bn into his philanthropic foundation.

www.bbc.co.uk

You do realise how much money he has raised and donated, right?

 

[dysfunction]

You do realise how much money he has raised and donated, right?

Exactly he is one of the biggest philanthropists in the whole world.
In order to keep donating billions you need to have money

 

[Scouse]

You do realise how much money he has raised and donated, right?

His net wealth has doubled since 2010 to 118 billion.

One hundred and eighteen billion dollars.

He's not earning that any more. He's not had to do fuck all for fifty-nine billion dollars. Not even make a cup of tea.

So I don't give a shit how much he's given away "so far". He's clearly not giving it away fast enough. How much does he need to be sat on?

 

[Jupitus]

His net wealth has doubled since 2010 to 118 billion.

One hundred and eighteen billion dollars.

He's not earning that any more. He's not had to do fuck all for fifty-nine billion dollars. Not even make a cup of tea.

So I don't give a shit how much he's given away "so far". He's clearly not giving it away fast enough. How much does he need to be sat on?

I dislike your double-negative... have restrained from using the bad grammar button

 

[MYstIC G]

Old bloke hanging on to his money for far too long, but wanting praise for it:

Bill Gates vows to drop off world's rich list

The Microsoft co-founder says he will move a further $20bn into his philanthropic foundation.

www.bbc.co.uk

Not a perfect system but he's doing far better with his lot than others in similar circumstances.

 

[Scouse]

Not a perfect system but he's doing far better with his lot than others in similar circumstances.

I don't disagree. But when your unearned wealth has doubled in a decade then it's clear he could be doing a lot more.

I do put him ahead of most - but it's not really saying much is it.

 

[Gwadien]

His net wealth has doubled since 2010 to 118 billion.

One hundred and eighteen billion dollars.

He's not earning that any more. He's not had to do fuck all for fifty-nine billion dollars. Not even make a cup of tea.

So I don't give a shit how much he's given away "so far". He's clearly not giving it away fast enough. How much does he need to be sat on?

Isn't his 'net worth' based on his ownership of companies and barely in cash?

I mean sure, with these people the money they generate is about power and influence, but if Gates decided to donate everything to charity, all it would mean that his source of money would just be split between other billionaires who are less charitable.

 

[dysfunction]

I don't disagree. But when your unearned wealth has doubled in a decade then it's clear he could be doing a lot more.

I do put him ahead of most - but it's not really saying much is it.

So you prefer he gave it all away and just went away or that he had assets to generate more billions that he could then give away?

I think I prefer the cash cow method really

 

[Scouse]

So you prefer he gave it all away and just went away or that he had assets to generate more billions that he could then give away

If he wants to funnel his cash through the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation then, in this economy, fair enough (it eschews democratic control over that wealth and leaves direction over where it's spent in the hands of one man, rather than a society - but I'm not going to cry over that - like I said, I'm more positive on Bill Gates than most of the multibillionaires).

However, his holdings will be in shares, investments, gilts and bonds etc. Like any portfolio - and a portfolio of that size will have asset management companies at the helm. I won't say that they're doing a great job - largely the reason that multibillionaires have seen their unearned-wealth grow since the 2008 crash is that we've been printing money, sticking it in a pipeline that goes directly to the super-rich - rather than doing "good" with it the proportion of global wealth has been accelerating into the hands of a tiny few (and we're reaping the benefit in terms of inflation now. Fucking ace eh?).

Regardless - how much does he need to live on? A billion quid? How about half of his 118bn? Even the most profligate of spenders should be able to live on $59 billion, right? I mean, things might get tight...

So why doesn't he transfer ownership of that other half of his assets directly to the foundation? Then the foundation will be able to massively ramp up it's ambitions - and benefit from the money-pipeline directly.

What's he fucking waiting for? - as a director of the foundation he'll still have control of it anyway, so why the delay?

 

[Scouse]

Just to put his wealth in perspective - half of Bill Gate's $118bn fortune equals or beats the Gross Domestic Product of all of these countries.

74	Ghana	$59.00 billion
75	Bulgaria	$58.22 billion
76	Costa Rica	$57.29 billion
77	Uruguay	$56.16 billion
78	Croatia	$55.21 billion
79	Belarus	$54.46 billion
80	Lebanon	$53.58 billion
81	Tanzania	$53.32 billion
82	Macao	$50.36 billion
83	Uzbekistan	$49.68 billion
84	Slovenia	$48.77 billion
85	Lithuania	$47.54 billion
86	Serbia	$41.43 billion
87	Azerbaijan	$40.75 billion
88	Jordan	$40.07 billion
89	Tunisia	$39.95 billion
90	Paraguay	$39.67 billion
91	Libya	$38.11 billion
92	Turkmenistan	$37.93 billion
93	DR Congo	$37.64 billion
94	Bolivia	$37.51 billion
95	Côte d'Ivoire	$37.35 billion
96	Bahrain	$35.43 billion
97	Cameroon	$34.92 billion
98	Yemen	$31.27 billion
99	Latvia	$30.46 billion
100	Estonia	$26.61 billion
101	Uganda	$26.00 billion
102	Zambia	$25.87 billion
103	Nepal	$24.88 billion
104	El Salvador	$24.81 billion
105	Iceland	$24.49 billion
106	Honduras	$22.98 billion
107	Cambodia	$22.16 billion
108	Trinidad and Tobago	$22.08 billion
109	Cyprus	$22.05 billion
110	Zimbabwe	$22.04 billion
111	Senegal	$21.07 billion
112	Papua New Guinea	$20.54 billion
113	Afghanistan	$19.54 billion
114	Bosnia and Herzegovina	$18.05 billion
115	Botswana	$17.41 billion
116	Laos	$16.85 billion
117	Mali	$15.33 billion
118	Georgia	$15.08 billion
119	Gabon	$15.01 billion
120	Jamaica	$14.78 billion
121	State of Palestine	$14.50 billion
122	Nicaragua	$13.81 billion
123	Mauritius	$13.27 billion
124	Namibia	$13.25 billion
125	Albania	$13.04 billion
126	Mozambique	$12.65 billion
127	Malta	$12.52 billion
128	Burkina Faso	$12.32 billion
129	Equatorial Guinea	$12.29 billion
130	Bahamas	$12.16 billion
131	Brunei	$12.13 billion
132	Armenia	$11.54 billion
133	Madagascar	$11.50 billion
134	Mongolia	$11.43 billion
135	North Macedonia	$11.28 billion
136	Guinea	$10.47 billion
137	Chad	$9.87 billion
138	Benin	$9.25 billion
139	Rwanda	$9.14 billion
140	Congo	$8.70 billion
141	Haiti	$8.41 billion
142	Moldova	$8.13 billion
143	Niger	$8.12 billion
144	Kyrgyzstan	$7.56 billion
145	Tajikistan	$7.15 billion
146	Malawi	$6.30 billion
147	Guam	$5.86 billion
148	Fiji	$5.06 billion
149	Mauritania	$5.02 billion
150	Maldives	$4.87 billion
151	Montenegro	$4.84 billion
152	Togo	$4.76 billion
153	Barbados	$4.67 billion
154	Eswatini	$4.43 billion
155	Sierra Leone	$3.78 billion
156	Guyana	$3.62 billion
157	Liberia	$3.29 billion
158	Burundi	$3.17 billion
159	Andorra	$3.01 billion
160	Suriname	$3.00 billion
161	Timor-Leste	$2.95 billion
162	Aruba	$2.70 billion
163	Lesotho	$2.58 billion
164	Bhutan	$2.53 billion
165	Central African Republic	$1.95 billion
166	Belize	$1.86 billion
167	Cabo Verde	$1.77 billion
168	Saint Lucia	$1.74 billion
169	San Marino	$1.63 billion
170	Northern Mariana Islands	$1.59 billion
171	Antigua and Barbuda	$1.51 billion
172	Seychelles	$1.50 billion
173	Gambia	$1.49 billion
174	Guinea-Bissau	$1.35 billion
175	Solomon Islands	$1.30 billion
176	Grenada	$1.13 billion
177	Comoros	$1.07 billion
178	Saint Kitts & Nevis	$992 million
179	Vanuatu	$863 million
180	Samoa	$841 million
181	St. Vincent & Grenadines	$785 million
182	American Samoa	$634 million
183	Dominica	$497 million
184	Tonga	$428 million
185	Sao Tome & Principe	$393 million
186	Micronesia	$336 million
187	Palau	$290 million
188	Marshall Islands	$204 million
189	Kiribati	$186 million
190	Tuvalu	$40 million

 

[Gwadien]

If he wants to funnel his cash through the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation then, in this economy, fair enough (it eschews democratic control over that wealth and leaves direction over where it's spent in the hands of one man, rather than a society - but I'm not going to cry over that - like I said, I'm more positive on Bill Gates than most of the multibillionaires).

However, his holdings will be in shares, investments, gilts and bonds etc. Like any portfolio - and a portfolio of that size will have asset management companies at the helm. I won't say that they're doing a great job - largely the reason that multibillionaires have seen their unearned-wealth grow since the 2008 crash is that we've been printing money, sticking it in a pipeline that goes directly to the super-rich - rather than doing "good" with it the proportion of global wealth has been accelerating into the hands of a tiny few (and we're reaping the benefit in terms of inflation now. Fucking ace eh?).

Regardless - how much does he need to live on? A billion quid? How about half of his 118bn? Even the most profligate of spenders should be able to live on $59 billion, right? I mean, things might get tight...

So why doesn't he transfer ownership of that other half of his assets directly to the foundation? Then the foundation will be able to massively ramp up it's ambitions - and benefit from the money-pipeline directly.

What's he fucking waiting for? - as a director of the foundation he'll still have control of it anyway, so why the delay?

What's the difference in him holding onto his assets and his charity or even other charities holding onto his assets?

They'll either sell up and have a massive but temporary 100bn to spend or they treat it like an investment and have a tiny fraction to spend but forever.

 

[Scouse]

What's the difference in him holding onto his assets and his charity or even other charities holding onto his assets?

They'll either sell up and have a massive but temporary 100bn to spend or they treat it like an investment and have a tiny fraction to spend but forever.

If he's donating he can mandate how it's managed going forward - even after his death.


This is the problem with philanthropy though. It's an exercise in private power over the public sphere. And it's not benign - we shouldn't be automatically "grateful" for it - we should scrutinise it. - like we should when rich christian twats die and philanthropically fund abstinence programs and all the fuckwittery that comes with them.

Philanthropy is the result of democratic failure to properly manage powerful economic resources for societally agreed upon good.


Like I said, I give Gates a lot of leeway. But I'm not a syncophantic dick-sucker just because he's (slowly) giving some of his cash to projects that stroke his own interest and ego.

 

[Gwadien]

If he's donating he can mandate how it's managed going forward - even after his death.


This is the problem with philanthropy though. It's an exercise in private power over the public sphere. And it's not benign - we shouldn't be automatically "grateful" for it - we should scrutinise it. - like we should when rich christian twats die and philanthropically fund abstinence programs and all the fuckwittery that comes with them.

Philanthropy is the result of democratic failure to properly manage powerful economic resources for societally agreed upon good.


Like I said, I give Gates a lot of leeway. But I'm not a syncophantic dick-sucker just because he's (slowly) giving some of his cash to projects that stroke his own interest and ego.

I just see it as 'nice one' not omg you're amazing Gates & Buffet.

They both could give far less to charity and it'd be considered acceptable.

 

[Scouse]

They both could give far less to charity and it'd be considered acceptable.

Yep. But that's because we're fucked up and dumb.

The fact that we consider it acceptable for any human to be "worth" $118 billion is idiotic.

 

[dysfunction]

If he's donating he can mandate how it's managed going forward - even after his death.


This is the problem with philanthropy though. It's an exercise in private power over the public sphere. And it's not benign - we shouldn't be automatically "grateful" for it - we should scrutinise it. - like we should when rich christian twats die and philanthropically fund abstinence programs and all the fuckwittery that comes with them.

Philanthropy is the result of democratic failure to properly manage powerful economic resources for societally agreed upon good.


Like I said, I give Gates a lot of leeway. But I'm not a syncophantic dick-sucker just because he's (slowly) giving some of his cash to projects that stroke his own interest and ego.

So you are saying the problem is he shouldnt have any rights to his own wealth how he should use it?
Even though he is contributing billions of $'s?

I've no idea how his wealth is structured for him to contribute more and what his end goal is. But I'm not sure *you* have the right to say he needs to give more. Do you donate the same % of your net worth to charity?
From what I can tell he has contributed approx $50bill and his net worth is $118bill. I'd say your "complaint" isnt justified really.

Perhaps every person in the world donated that same % to charity. Not sure why you are so focused on one of the most generous people in trhe world.

He has also pledged this Bill and Melinda Gates to give 95% of wealth to charity

View: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/entertainment-arts-11565953

 

[Scouse]

Oh bugger off @dysfunction - if you can't see the difference between "wealthy" and a hundred billion dollars (especially given these sums are largely associated with entire countries, not individuals) - and the need for democratic oversight of such power then there's no sensible discussion to be had.

 

[Overdriven]

Supposedly I'm 34 years old - I still have no fucking clue what to ask for when I get a haircut.

The wife is the ONLY person who can cut it properly because I let her butcher my hair over the lockdown to find something I liked. Sigh.

 

[Tom]

The lazy fucking bastard DPD driver who for the second day in a row, drove down my street and didn't deliver my parcel. Literally stood and watched him drive off from my window. No attempt at delivery. Just called the company who use them to deliver what I've ordered to complain.

Either do your job or fuck off.

 

[Wij]

Anyone who thinks Jordan Peterson is worth listening to:


View: https://youtu.be/KUq7v6Pne_4

 

[Overdriven]

Anyone who thinks Jordan Peterson is worth listening to:


View: https://youtu.be/KUq7v6Pne_4

The great thing about selecting clips like that is the view from the guy commenting is obviously biased towards Dawkins. You can cut and slice up anything to make it sound like somebody else is talking trash.

He isn't wrong, but this is a really good (Or bad? Depending on view) example of Peterson just not being clear. Some of his other / more targeted stuff isn't terrible.

I'd still not use him as a barometer for thought though.

 

[Wij]

The great thing about selecting clips like that is the view from the guy commenting is obviously biased towards Dawkins. You can cut and slice up anything to make it sound like somebody else is talking trash.

He isn't wrong, but this is a really good (Or bad? Depending on view) example of Peterson just not being clear. Some of his other / more targeted stuff isn't terrible.

I'd still not use him as a barometer for thought though.

I’ve never heard Peterson say anything that isn’t either obvious, trite, confused, meaningless or wrong. He’s a grifter who knows how to sound clever to people who aren’t.

 

[Wij]

Case in point. 50 minutes of big words which basically mask ‘Putin is great’:


View: https://twitter.com/SelfishWizard/status/1550275342887227392


Seriously, fuck that guy. He’s a cunt.

 

[Scouse]

UK under international pressure over deletion of abortion commitments

Exclusive: open letter sent to Liz Truss after removal of commitment to repeal laws threatening women and girls’ rights from global pact

www.theguardian.com

 

[Raven]

Car insurance renewals. Esure want to put it up to £565 a year with a 13 year no claims. Yeah, no mate.

 

[Scouse]

I mean:

Cader Idris: Drunk men rescued from mountain

The eight men in their 20s are criticised for "poor choices" while walking on a Snowdonia mountain.

www.bbc.co.uk

It's not even randomly annoying. It's kind of infuriating.

Plus - how do you get lost on a mountain with clear paths everywhere? Pick one. Get down!