Or try one of the other vendors who dont use them.
Yes that - but don't you think it's more constructive to inform Vision Express why he's doing that?
Lots of ppl do break the rules. Would you rather some tier 3 hot bed of virus was next to you in the pub cause they didnt have to prove where they were from?Just come back from the pub - we went for a bit of lunch at a local cafe that's done a good job on the social distancing and stopped by a pub on the way back as we thought fuck it, fancy a pint. Had a lovely pint of this
A girl came over to ask for some track and trace details:
"What's your name?" I tell her. Absolutely fine.
"What's your address and postcode please". I tell her. Absolutely fine.
"Can I have your phone number please". I tell her. Absolutely fine (address and contact details are a fundamental part of any track and trace system. It's unreasonable to withhold them).
"Have you got any ID to prove this please?" . I pull out my driving licence, that I don't ordinarily carry around with me, and show her.
I'm not really fine with this. Are you calling me a liar?
Not the girl, of course, she's just doing her job. But the government is stating that they don't trust me and requiring hard ID, which we generally don't have a requirement for in the UK. It's saying we don't trust you to tell the truth. And I'm not happy with that.
Yes, it might make things harder for twats to abuse the current system and go to pubs they're not allowed to go to. But this isn't about them, it's about me and my individual liberty as a trustworthy citizen. I act like a responsible, trustworth adult and I expect to be treated like one in my day-to-day dealings.
If you enforce this requirement you aren't treating me with that respect. You might say "it's not a big deal" - and in the grand scheme of things you can make that argument. But it's another of these thin-end wedges. "Oh, we had hard ID for coronavirus and it didn't hurt anyone, lets use it in other situations" - and suddenly we've got hard ID across the UK. And the very nature of our relationship with government has changed.
The existence of lying idiots isn't going to change. We shouldn't be changing our whole way of working because of a few bad apples. This point has been democratically made and voted on before with the whole ID cards thing - and we've come to a resolution. Governments have a long, sordid track record of bringing in requirements under emergency powers and then these things sticking.
So, going forward, I'll be bringing my ID to the pub, to buy a beer. And feel a little sting every time I bring it out. It's a small thing, but I find it upsetting - precicely because I don't break the law. I don't need policing. I'm an adult and can be trusted to do the right thing.
But if this grows, and starts to be used more widely, I won't be that adult. If they treat me like a criminal, I'll start acting like one. In small ways, that I feel are proportionate. Little mostly pointless acts of rebellion. I'll start in my own sad way to subvert the system. In the same way that when Labour made cannabis a class A drug there was an immediate uptake in it's use (because that's how humans work) - if the government renegs on it's obligation to trust me to do the right thing, I'll start proving them right, deliberately.
Human society should have trust at it's core. We acknowledge that this is imperfect, but it's infinitely preferable to the other way of doing things.
Covid should not be allowed to bring that reality about.
If it means that the law-abiding majority have to go through life treated in the way I described?
Nobody understands what you are trying to say from this @Job.
Just come back from the pub - we went for a bit of lunch at a local cafe that's done a good job on the social distancing and stopped by a pub on the way back as we thought fuck it, fancy a pint. Had a lovely pint of this
A girl came over to ask for some track and trace details:
"What's your name?" I tell her. Absolutely fine.
"What's your address and postcode please". I tell her. Absolutely fine.
"Can I have your phone number please". I tell her. Absolutely fine (address and contact details are a fundamental part of any track and trace system. It's unreasonable to withhold them).
"Have you got any ID to prove this please?" . I pull out my driving licence, that I don't ordinarily carry around with me, and show her.
I'm not really fine with this. Are you calling me a liar?
Not the girl, of course, she's just doing her job. But the government is stating that they don't trust me and requiring hard ID, which we generally don't have a requirement for in the UK. It's saying we don't trust you to tell the truth. And I'm not happy with that.
Yes, it might make things harder for twats to abuse the current system and go to pubs they're not allowed to go to. But this isn't about them, it's about me and my individual liberty as a trustworthy citizen. I act like a responsible, trustworth adult and I expect to be treated like one in my day-to-day dealings.
If you enforce this requirement you aren't treating me with that respect. You might say "it's not a big deal" - and in the grand scheme of things you can make that argument. But it's another of these thin-end wedges. "Oh, we had hard ID for coronavirus and it didn't hurt anyone, lets use it in other situations" - and suddenly we've got hard ID across the UK. And the very nature of our relationship with government has changed.
The existence of lying idiots isn't going to change. We shouldn't be changing our whole way of working because of a few bad apples. This point has been democratically made and voted on before with the whole ID cards thing - and we've come to a resolution. Governments have a long, sordid track record of bringing in requirements under emergency powers and then these things sticking.
So, going forward, I'll be bringing my ID to the pub, to buy a beer. And feel a little sting every time I bring it out. It's a small thing, but I find it upsetting - precicely because I don't break the law. I don't need policing. I'm an adult and can be trusted to do the right thing.
But if this grows, and starts to be used more widely, I won't be that adult. If they treat me like a criminal, I'll start acting like one. In small ways, that I feel are proportionate. Little mostly pointless acts of rebellion. I'll start in my own sad way to subvert the system. In the same way that when Labour made cannabis a class A drug there was an immediate uptake in it's use (because that's how humans work) - if the government renegs on it's obligation to trust me to do the right thing, I'll start proving them right, deliberately.
Human society should have trust at it's core. We acknowledge that this is imperfect, but it's infinitely preferable to the other way of doing things.
Covid should not be allowed to bring that reality about.
Nope, I really cannot figure out the relationship between the two of you.
I didnt start talking about black people it was a throwaway joke about them being discriminated.
They've a "challenge 25" thing nowadays, you need to prove you're over 18. Personally I thought it was a sad sad day when they legislated against pub owners requiring ID for kids to go to pubs.
I'm not hugely emotionally involved. He's an intellectual curio really. But everyone's good at something, if he's a plumber you'd expect him to know his shit. If he asked an IT question around here then there'd be no end of people ready to help, despite the crazy madness.Nope, I really cannot figure out the relationship between the two of you.
Over here you're both close to scratching each others eyes out and on another thread you're both reasonably exchanging property/construction advice.
It's a real head-scratcher...
As I understand it, it's because they're about determining if you're a good payer, not if you're debt free and sitting on £lol.
Exactly this. A bit of regularly paid off debt is what they (I can only speak for Experian, but assume the rest are the same) are looking for.
I do. All spend goes on it. Gets paid off in full.
That's odd. Got any direct debits?
