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[Gwadien]

A&E will only see you if the fracture happened in the last 48hrs. Mine (if I have one) is ten days old. I've been icing and resting already so if that's what I end up getting told to do I'll throw my toys

Sounds like you need a prescription from our mutual friend.

 

[Scouse]

Sounds like I need a licence to kill:

"So, Mr Scouse, what appears to be the problem"
"Like I told my Doctor, I may have fractured the medial sesamoid of my right foot hiking about ten days ago. He agreed and said come here and get it x-rayed."
"Really?" .. starts to feel my shin and ankle .. "any pain here?"
"No, just the medial sesamoid, right here" .. puts finger on exact place .. "it's unconnected to anywhere else other than by tendon, and is the only place I'm experiencing pain"
"How about here" .. twiddling my little toe .. "fifth metertarsal?"
"No, it's very specific" .. shows swelling, shows exactly how to move finger to detect it...
"Here then?" .. I jump ..
"Yes. Exactly there"
"And you say you've rested, iced and taken anti-inflammatories?"
"Yep. For the past ten days."
"Ah. Because usually we'd tell you to go away and rest, ice and take anti-inflammatories"
"Yes. I predicted that. So I've saved you the job and done the obvious for you".
"I see. And you want an x-ray?"
"Yes. To confirm whether I have a fracture or whether it's just ligamental damage on it's own"
"Ah. Let me consult a colleague"
"OK"

...

"Well them Mr Scouse. It seems you've done everything right and got it spot on. You've rested, iced and taken anti-inflammatories and my colleague agrees that the best course of action would indeed be an x-ray to confirm whether you've got a fracture or not."
"Aye"
"Unfortunately, even though we have an x-ray machine in the room next door, an x-ray guy who's currently doing nothing and available to x-ray you right now we've decided NOT to give you an x-ray because our "doctoring for dummies" book says if you've had this problem for more than 7 days then you have to go back to your GP and get a referral to hospital and have it done there."
"But standard diagnosis in these cases says x-rays might not show anything until ten days anyway! And you email the x-rays to the hospital for review - so what difference does it make where it's taken?!!"
"Yes, it does, and yes we do! And not much, but procedure. Anyway, good day to you. Bye bye"



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[Ormorof]

booking things by phone

how on earth can a business function when things cant be done online

i had all the info about the exact thing i wanted to book and the guy booked it wrong now i am waiting for them to fix it argh

 

[Bodhi]

Sounds like I need a licence to kill:

"So, Mr Scouse, what appears to be the problem"
"Like I told my Doctor, I may have fractured the medial sesamoid of my right foot hiking about ten days ago. He agreed and said come here and get it x-rayed."
"Really?" .. starts to feel my shin and ankle .. "any pain here?"
"No, just the medial sesamoid, right here" .. puts finger on exact place .. "it's unconnected to anywhere else other than by tendon, and is the only place I'm experiencing pain"
"How about here" .. twiddling my little toe .. "fifth metertarsal?"
"No, it's very specific" .. shows swelling, shows exactly how to move finger to detect it...
"Here then?" .. I jump ..
"Yes. Exactly there"
"And you say you've rested, iced and taken anti-inflammatories?"
"Yep. For the past ten days."
"Ah. Because usually we'd tell you to go away and rest, ice and take anti-inflammatories"
"Yes. I predicted that. So I've saved you the job and done the obvious for you".
"I see. And you want an x-ray?"
"Yes. To confirm whether I have a fracture or whether it's just ligamental damage on it's own"
"Ah. Let me consult a colleague"
"OK"

...

"Well them Mr Scouse. It seems you've done everything right and got it spot on. You've rested, iced and taken anti-inflammatories and my colleague agrees that the best course of action would indeed be an x-ray to confirm whether you've got a fracture or not."
"Aye"
"Unfortunately, even though we have an x-ray machine in the room next door, an x-ray guy who's currently doing nothing and available to x-ray you right now we've decided NOT to give you an x-ray because our "doctoring for dummies" book says if you've had this problem for more than 7 days then you have to go back to your GP and get a referral to hospital and have it done there."
"But standard diagnosis in these cases says x-rays might not show anything until ten days anyway! And you email the x-rays to the hospital for review - so what difference does it make where it's taken?!!"
"Yes, it does, and yes we do! And not much, but procedure. Anyway, good day to you. Bye bye"



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Fucking hell. We really do need to save the NHS.

From itself.

It's an utter fucking mess at the moment - baffling procedures, chronic waste, incompetent management, staff utterly demoralised by incompetent management and no one has a fucking clue where they're supposed to go for treatment.

 

[sayward]

£910 for new tyres! Others lasted less than 18 months.

 

[soze]

I have said it before and I am sure I will say it again. Idiots who want to to snow. The girls at work were saying how much they hope it snows this week and all I can think is "oh yes please a dangerous journey to work that takes 3 times as long!". I get being excited about snow as a kid but as an adult it just gets in my way and pisses me off.

 

[Raven]

Sounds like I need a licence to kill:

"So, Mr Scouse, what appears to be the problem"
"Like I told my Doctor, I may have fractured the medial sesamoid of my right foot hiking about ten days ago. He agreed and said come here and get it x-rayed."
"Really?" .. starts to feel my shin and ankle .. "any pain here?"
"No, just the medial sesamoid, right here" .. puts finger on exact place .. "it's unconnected to anywhere else other than by tendon, and is the only place I'm experiencing pain"
"How about here" .. twiddling my little toe .. "fifth metertarsal?"
"No, it's very specific" .. shows swelling, shows exactly how to move finger to detect it...
"Here then?" .. I jump ..
"Yes. Exactly there"
"And you say you've rested, iced and taken anti-inflammatories?"
"Yep. For the past ten days."
"Ah. Because usually we'd tell you to go away and rest, ice and take anti-inflammatories"
"Yes. I predicted that. So I've saved you the job and done the obvious for you".
"I see. And you want an x-ray?"
"Yes. To confirm whether I have a fracture or whether it's just ligamental damage on it's own"
"Ah. Let me consult a colleague"
"OK"

...

"Well them Mr Scouse. It seems you've done everything right and got it spot on. You've rested, iced and taken anti-inflammatories and my colleague agrees that the best course of action would indeed be an x-ray to confirm whether you've got a fracture or not."
"Aye"
"Unfortunately, even though we have an x-ray machine in the room next door, an x-ray guy who's currently doing nothing and available to x-ray you right now we've decided NOT to give you an x-ray because our "doctoring for dummies" book says if you've had this problem for more than 7 days then you have to go back to your GP and get a referral to hospital and have it done there."
"But standard diagnosis in these cases says x-rays might not show anything until ten days anyway! And you email the x-rays to the hospital for review - so what difference does it make where it's taken?!!"
"Yes, it does, and yes we do! And not much, but procedure. Anyway, good day to you. Bye bye"



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You wouldn't have that problem if it was privatised....

Just sayin'

There is a massive amount of red tape and bullshit in the NHS, it's ridiculous. When I had my op before xmas I saw 2 doctors, 2 surgeons and a registrar, then an anesthetist, each one had a different opinion. All for a 30 minute op.

 

[soze]

I watched a bit on the News about this guy who used to clean at a hospital in the Midlands. He noticed the nurses used a certain type of bandage to quickly clean blood off the floor but they got a blocking because of the price of each one. He spoke to the manufacture to ask about bulk discounts and found it could get them a fraction of the price if he bought enough. So he went to all the Hospitals in a 50 mile range and agreed to supply these bandages at a massive discount. Even saving the hospital 50% he managed to make himself a millionaire. He was saying that if he can do that with just one item how much money is there to be saved if the NHS sourced all these supplies nationally rather than on a hospital by hospital basis?

The NHS are truly fucked because the budgets keep getting cut while costs keep going up. We are heading towards a tipping point where some of these Hospital Trusts are going to need to be bailed out or there is a risk of Staff not getting paid and Hospitals closing.

 

[Tom]

Cunting Parcel Force delivery place near me. Brand new shiny office, star trek doors, the lot. Went in to pay a customs charge to get my parcel.


Cash only.


WTF. 2016, cash only. FUCK OFF.

 

[Scouse]

You wouldn't have that problem if it was privatised...

That was a failure of intellect more than anything else. Privatising a system like the NHS brings other problems. It's win-lose or lose-win down that road...

Yes, there's a lot of waste but I still wouldn't swap it for the world. When you *need* shit, you get it. You look at private systems around the world and that's not the case.

 

[Ormorof]

You wouldn't have that problem if it was privatised....

Just sayin'

There is a massive amount of red tape and bullshit in the NHS, it's ridiculous. When I had my op before xmas I saw 2 doctors, 2 surgeons and a registrar, then an anesthetist, each one had a different opinion. All for a 30 minute op.

if it was privatised they would charge you £100 first, then tell you to go somewhere else

 

[TdC]

when your sleep pattern's so fucked that you get up at 2am, wide awake, play some Elite and drink tea to kill time, only to become tired again at 5.30 and go back to bed for an hour's kip before getting up again to go to work -.-

 

[Ormorof]

when your sleep pattern's so fucked that you get up at 2am, wide awake, play some Elite and drink tea to kill time, only to become tired again at 5.30 and go back to bed for an hour's kip before getting up again to go to work -.-

Thats pretty much my life but replace the fun part with screaming babies

 

[Raven]

if it was privatised they would charge you £100 first, then tell you to go somewhere else

No they wouldn't because it would still be government funded. There wouldn't be people stood around doing nothing though and they certainly wouldn't go through the nonsense of sending someone away when it can be done there and then.

I am not saying I would like to see it privatised! However, it needs one ginormous kick up the arse though from top to bottom, the entire culture within the NHS needs to change.

The NHS do a fantastic job, really inefficiently.

 

[DaGaffer]

You wouldn't have that problem if it was privatised....

Just sayin'

There is a massive amount of red tape and bullshit in the NHS, it's ridiculous. When I had my op before xmas I saw 2 doctors, 2 surgeons and a registrar, then an anesthetist, each one had a different opinion. All for a 30 minute op.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, people in the UK have no fucking idea what living with privatised or (as in my case) semi-privatised health care is like. I can afford good health insurance (well, my company can), but I still have to pay sixty quid every time I see a GP (and yeah, they would tell you to fuck off and come back again, and charge you for it; it happened to me only a week ago), and frankly the idea of relying on this health system when I get old (properly old, fuck off) scares the piss out of me. Hold on to the NHS, its the best thing Britain ever did.

 

[Ormorof]

No they wouldn't because it would still be government funded. There wouldn't be people stood around doing nothing though and they certainly wouldn't go through the nonsense of sending someone away when it can be done there and then.

I am not saying I would like to see it privatised! However, it needs one ginormous kick up the arse though from top to bottom, the entire culture within the NHS needs to change.

The NHS do a fantastic job, really inefficiently.

A few years ago my right lung collapsed at waterloo station, i dragged myself to the medicial clinic, they wanted me to pay £80 to be seen despite the fact i could barely breathe and needed urgent help

Instead i had to call my own ambulance, the medics told me they see this kind of thing all the time, patients are charged to be seen then are shipped immediately to public healthcare

So it is already happening... private sector will never value human life over profit this a huge flaw in medical industry as a whole tbh

 

[Raven]

Hold on to the NHS, its the best thing Britain ever did.

I agree, but anyone who has had to go into hospital will tell you, the amount of wastage and just shear time wasting involved is horrendous.

They go on about the lack of beds, I was in for around 12 hours, 6 of which I could have spent at home. One doctor wanted to keep me in overnight post op (I had surgery at about 2pm) at 7pm I just told them I was going home and did so. I was fully capable of walking yet they insisted on fetching a porter to ferry me around, they even wanted to wheelchair me to the car park when I said I was going to leave.

Then there is the army of clipboards, on a ward of around 16 patients, very low dependency patients, mostly little things like broken arms or minor surgery, they had 4 nurses, what can only described as 2 receptionists (I have no idea what they did except sit at a desk and chat) and a couple of people whose job seemed to be to guard a clipboard each.

One nurse seemed to be employed as a drug pusher, she was intent on getting me to take some morphine despite repeatedly being told I don't want or need anything because I wasn't in any pain. To liven things up they would occasionally move someone from one side of the room to a different bed.

Post op I had the district nurse come out, she wanted to come and visit every day for a week to check on me. She turned up for two days to dress my wound I then had to convince her not to worry about coming any more, it was Christmas and I could dress my own wound anyway.

If the NHS is going to survive, and it must, then they are going to have to reform the culture within the NHS.

 

[Ormorof]

Part of the problem there raven is that they deal with people who argue about not wanting further treatment who then die/get infected and then the hospitsl has to deal with lawsuits

If there is a standard procedure for dealing with a certain injury/ilnesss then they have to follow it or it will cause chaos

 

[Bodhi]

A few years ago my right lung collapsed at waterloo station, i dragged myself to the medicial clinic, they wanted me to pay £80 to be seen despite the fact i could barely breathe and needed urgent help

Instead i had to call my own ambulance, the medics told me they see this kind of thing all the time, patients are charged to be seen then are shipped immediately to public healthcare

So it is already happening... private sector will never value human life over profit this a huge flaw in medical industry as a whole tbh

My local hospital is Stafford, so I'm not entirely sure I'd say the public sector have a massive value on human life all the time either....

Don't think I'd want to see the NHS privatised (although the countries at the top of the WHO list for healthcare, all rely on a mix of public sector and private health insurance for those who can afford it) - I wouldn't have a particular issue with private companies providing the services however, as long as they remained free at the point of access and were paid for out of general taxation. But if a private company can provide the same patient outcomes more efficiently than the NHS, I wouldn't have a massive issue with that.

Sadly I do wonder sometimes if the NHS is run for the people who work there, rather than the patients, and this seems to be happening more and more with our public sector. In fact, can anyone name a government department that are actually pleasant to deal with and get things right first time? As I'm really struggling with that one.....

 

[DaGaffer]

My local hospital is Stafford, so I'm not entirely sure I'd say the public sector have a massive value on human life all the time either....

Don't think I'd want to see the NHS privatised (although the countries at the top of the WHO list for healthcare, all rely on a mix of public sector and private health insurance for those who can afford it) - I wouldn't have a particular issue with private companies providing the services however, as long as they remained free at the point of access and were paid for out of general taxation. But if a private company can provide the same patient outcomes more efficiently than the NHS, I wouldn't have a massive issue with that.

Sadly I do wonder sometimes if the NHS is run for the people who work there, rather than the patients, and this seems to be happening more and more with our public sector. In fact, can anyone name a government department that are actually pleasant to deal with and get things right first time? As I'm really struggling with that one.....

Hmm, WHO rankings 2014. Call me dubious about some of that. First of all, you can discount eight of the countries ahead of the UK because their populations are so small as to make comparisons irrelevant. (I'm also rather surprised that Ireland only comes one place behind the UK because the diabolical state of Irish healthcare is a national scandal.) Of the rest, the one thing all but one have in common (Italy) is that they all spend a higher percentage of GDP on healthcare than the UK (Italy is about the same as the UK).

Now, spend isn't the only measure of quality (the US actually spends an incredible amount of GDP on privatised healthcare, but they still rank way lower than the UK for accessible healthcare), especially as healthcare can often cover stuff like cosmetic surgery, but there's a pretty broad correlation in Europe between what the state spends on healthcare and how good that healthcare is.

 

[Scouse]

@Raven - because of the nature of the 'business' privatisation wouldn't do a thing for all the problems you mentioned.

 

[Raven]

Here's that old problem of reading and comprehension rearing its ugly head again

I am not saying I would like to see it privatised! However,

If the NHS is going to survive, and it must, then they are going to have to reform the culture within the NHS.

 

[Scouse]

Here's that old problem of reading and comprehension rearing its ugly head again

Not really. I was responding to:

You wouldn't have that problem if it was privatised....

Just sayin'

...and the 'problems' you mentioned in your other post.

I don't really give a monkeys whether you want to see it privatised or not - it has no bearing on what I said - but you clearly do hold the above opinion about some sort of "intrinsic efficency" of private companies over public sector - and all I wanted to point out is that with the NHS specifically that intrinsic efficiency cannot exist.

So, stop getting your knickers in a twist and move on.

 

[Raven]

You do understand the concept of the Internet term "just sayin' "?

You seem to be going full pelt before even considering whether something was meant literally or not. I know it can probably be hard in text form but come on...

 

[Bodhi]

Hmm, WHO rankings 2014. Call me dubious about some of that. First of all, you can discount eight of the countries ahead of the UK because their populations are so small as to make comparisons irrelevant. (I'm also rather surprised that Ireland only comes one place behind the UK because the diabolical state of Irish healthcare is a national scandal.) Of the rest, the one thing all but one have in common (Italy) is that they all spend a higher percentage of GDP on healthcare than the UK (Italy is about the same as the UK).

Now, spend isn't the only measure of quality (the US actually spends an incredible amount of GDP on privatised healthcare, but they still rank way lower than the UK for accessible healthcare), especially as healthcare can often cover stuff like cosmetic surgery, but there's a pretty broad correlation in Europe between what the state spends on healthcare and how good that healthcare is.

The NHS budget has tripled over the last 20 years, and it seems to have spent most of those "in crisis", so simply throwing more money at it (which we're doing anyway) isn't the only answer. Centralised purchasing and a clipboard cull would be a great place to start.

 

[Scouse]

You do understand the concept of the Internet term "just sayin' "?

just sayin'
a term coined to be used at the end of something insulting or offensive to take the heat off you when you say it.

So, you thought I'd be angry when you said that privatisation would solve the problems I experienced?

Not at all - you seem to have gotten angry and pissy because I responded by saying it wouldn't...


I haven't said "you believe the NHS should be privatised" or any such shite. I've just pointed out that I think that your statement that privatisation of the NHS would fix the problems is wrong - and now you can't let it go for some weird reason.

Do you understand yet why I don't bother reading or responding to your posts much any more? Responding simply and non-agressively to simple statements ends up resulting in toht-like weirdness...

 

[Raven]

The trouble is, you respond to something that was never said in the first place. You attempt to twist everything so that you can respond. Then when corrected you stick your fingers in your ears and start "naaa naaa not listening" Figuratively ofc, to avoid confusion.

Its either deliberate or there is an underlying issue, either way its becoming almost Tohtesque.

 

[Scouse]

The trouble is, you respond to something that was never said in the first place.

So, you didn't say exactly this?

You wouldn't have that problem if it was privatised....

Just sayin'

There is a massive amount of red tape and bullshit in the NHS, it's ridiculous. When I had my op before xmas I saw 2 doctors, 2 surgeons and a registrar, then an anesthetist, each one had a different opinion. All for a 30 minute op.

Weirdo.

 

[Raven]

erg.

Yes, but quite clearly was Just sayin'

Honestly, do you have some sort of autistic thing going on? You really cannot tell when someone is being serious or not can you?

 

[Scouse]

erg.

Yes, but quite clearly was Just sayin'

Which, as I've pointed out, means that you do think that but "please don't get angry"...

It's not my fault if you don't know what things mean...