Bluesky
Fledgling Freddie
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Raid Leaders Discussion
I have noticed a lot of people on raids (raid leaders and raid attendees) getting bitter and abusive in raid threads. This helps nobody and only serves to piss people off whether its a raid leader spouting off in a heavily dictatorial manner, a raid attendee whining or being a total sycophant to the leader. None of it is pleasant to read tbh.
Leading a raid can be a simple job of saying "meet at a certain place at a certain time and lets zerg it" or it could be as complicated as making fully opted groups to complete the raid. Most good raid leaders spend time researching the raid, how to do encounters, how a mob behaves in certain situations eg. when I run Dragon Raids I spend approx 1.5 hours (for every raid) making the groups working out who is best suited, who has not been on one before (or recently), and who i can trust as group leaders. Also raid leaders that run a mod system also spend their time compiling the mod lists - this also takes time to do. Other raids can take time like this too and the vast majority of raid attendees fail to see this and take raids for granted.
For me the word respect comes to mind and anyone who says "respect should be earned" think about this: Respect others until they give you a reason not to. If raid leaders or attendees give you reason not to respect them then dont. Its that simple but being polite and courteous costs nothing even if you disagree with the raid leaders rules. While I may not agree with them I acknowledge that they have put aside time to organise and run the raid and if I want to go on their raid I must follow their rules and instructions. If rules change or mistakes are made (destroying a drop for example) then you can do several things: make a comment politely in the bg or in a pm and if the raid leader confirms there was a mistake made then remember they are (usually) having a quite stressful time and they are human like the rest of us and are prone to mistakes. If you dont believe the raid leader then you simply do not go on their raids again (maybe making a complaint to a guild leader if its a severe case) and if enough people feel the same then that raid leader wont have many people to run a raid for.
On a personal note about respect - I have run close to 200 public raids now ranging from the long standing Dragon Raids, Jacinas Sash, ml steps and many farming and arti raids and I dont think i automatically deserve respect from the people that come on my raids. If people choose to respect me thats really nice but I haven't run that many raids to get respect. The vast majority of the raids i have run I do simply because i like doing it. Some ofc are to get myself an artifact and if I can help others aswell by running modded raids then thats good for everyone who wants the artifact.
Some people talk about "personalities" and yes there are some more public figures than others in Midgard (be it in RvR or PvE) and as much as some leaders may see themselves on a pedestal "above" the rest they are nothing without those people to come on their raids. I dont like big ego's and bad attitudes personally so try to not let people think that of me and think it can only be good if other raid leaders could adopt that attitude too.
So after my ramblings I would like to address the following points:
To our raid leaders: Be patient, careful and dont be aggressive or too dictatorial with people and you will keep the respect from your attendees rather than lose it through mistakes or your handling of those mistakes. Yes, being respected is a nice thing but can be lost everso quickly tho. If you get a pm or a suggestion to do something different then consider that others may have done certain steps or raids themselves and may have valid points. Dont automatically dismiss them.
To the raid attendees: Be polite and above all be patient as your raid leader is no doubt in the middle of several pm's, planning the next step of a raid or doing a load of other things. If you have an idea or if something is being done wrong then make a comment or pm politely not "wtf dumbass do it liek this" etc.
ok thats it... discuss...
I have noticed a lot of people on raids (raid leaders and raid attendees) getting bitter and abusive in raid threads. This helps nobody and only serves to piss people off whether its a raid leader spouting off in a heavily dictatorial manner, a raid attendee whining or being a total sycophant to the leader. None of it is pleasant to read tbh.
Leading a raid can be a simple job of saying "meet at a certain place at a certain time and lets zerg it" or it could be as complicated as making fully opted groups to complete the raid. Most good raid leaders spend time researching the raid, how to do encounters, how a mob behaves in certain situations eg. when I run Dragon Raids I spend approx 1.5 hours (for every raid) making the groups working out who is best suited, who has not been on one before (or recently), and who i can trust as group leaders. Also raid leaders that run a mod system also spend their time compiling the mod lists - this also takes time to do. Other raids can take time like this too and the vast majority of raid attendees fail to see this and take raids for granted.
For me the word respect comes to mind and anyone who says "respect should be earned" think about this: Respect others until they give you a reason not to. If raid leaders or attendees give you reason not to respect them then dont. Its that simple but being polite and courteous costs nothing even if you disagree with the raid leaders rules. While I may not agree with them I acknowledge that they have put aside time to organise and run the raid and if I want to go on their raid I must follow their rules and instructions. If rules change or mistakes are made (destroying a drop for example) then you can do several things: make a comment politely in the bg or in a pm and if the raid leader confirms there was a mistake made then remember they are (usually) having a quite stressful time and they are human like the rest of us and are prone to mistakes. If you dont believe the raid leader then you simply do not go on their raids again (maybe making a complaint to a guild leader if its a severe case) and if enough people feel the same then that raid leader wont have many people to run a raid for.
On a personal note about respect - I have run close to 200 public raids now ranging from the long standing Dragon Raids, Jacinas Sash, ml steps and many farming and arti raids and I dont think i automatically deserve respect from the people that come on my raids. If people choose to respect me thats really nice but I haven't run that many raids to get respect. The vast majority of the raids i have run I do simply because i like doing it. Some ofc are to get myself an artifact and if I can help others aswell by running modded raids then thats good for everyone who wants the artifact.
Some people talk about "personalities" and yes there are some more public figures than others in Midgard (be it in RvR or PvE) and as much as some leaders may see themselves on a pedestal "above" the rest they are nothing without those people to come on their raids. I dont like big ego's and bad attitudes personally so try to not let people think that of me and think it can only be good if other raid leaders could adopt that attitude too.
So after my ramblings I would like to address the following points:
To our raid leaders: Be patient, careful and dont be aggressive or too dictatorial with people and you will keep the respect from your attendees rather than lose it through mistakes or your handling of those mistakes. Yes, being respected is a nice thing but can be lost everso quickly tho. If you get a pm or a suggestion to do something different then consider that others may have done certain steps or raids themselves and may have valid points. Dont automatically dismiss them.
To the raid attendees: Be polite and above all be patient as your raid leader is no doubt in the middle of several pm's, planning the next step of a raid or doing a load of other things. If you have an idea or if something is being done wrong then make a comment or pm politely not "wtf dumbass do it liek this" etc.
ok thats it... discuss...