Radar

[Lomald Umilinn]

And to all mods:

Why do you edit a post which gives nothing ? This just makes me annoyed ... I try to tell people that radar exists, how it's being used, what information it can be picked up .. that goa don't do shit against it ... and you edit my posts? for what reason?

Get a life or at least help get daoc fun to play again and cheatfree, which you won't do by editing a post which gives no info about how to cheat.

 

[evilknight]

Idiot....

 

[Whoodoo_RD]

Well thanx for further advertising cheats for DAoC, now we can all own one. Now f*ck off back to CounterStrike.

Hope a sensible mod deletes this crap.

 

[-frostor-]

lomald just pointed out that daoc aint cheat free

 

[elyand]

hll

he also announced something to ppl that didnt know...

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Delete what? Didn't spread a shit about how to use it and where to get it and I never would. Told the community how it worked as everyone says people are using radar every now and then (and they prolly are).

And counterstrike? get your facts straight, probably one of the WORST mods in history for any game :/ wouldn't play it even with a gun pointed at my head.

The point with this post was to announce to the community that they exist in a probably huge scale and that GOA don't seem to do anything to ban them, 1 month now on various friends accounts who TOLD me i could try it on their accounts, and still no ban.

And you would be really surprised if you used radar and would find out that a few bards tries to run around you about 8000 units away from you, these two (yes 2) bards hunts around APK so next time you accuse them for radar, it's true.

 

[evilknight]

You obviously don't understand what you've done....

You've told everyone browsing this board how this prog works and that you haven't been caught yet. Maybe more peeps will start using a radar prog after reading this, it shouldn't be that hard to find one(I know of several of them, but I don't use them ofc)

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Yes I know exactly what I have done.

1. Told everyone i have tried them out on various accounts in different realms.
2. Told everyone GOA didn't ban any of those accounts yet.
3. Found out how many soloers with speed actually using it.

But yes i see your point and no matter how you do it it takes a long time to find this program and get it working.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
Yes I know exactly what I have done.

1. Told everyone i have tried them out on various accounts in different realms.
2. Told everyone GOA didn't ban any of those accounts yet.
3. Found out how many soloers with speed actually using it.

But yes i see your point and no matter how you do it it takes a long time to find this program and get it working.

you told how useful it is and that you probably wont get punished and it is also useful for people in groups.

 

[Encima]

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f*cking retard..

 

[drummer]

I'm innocent , though name and shame for those who do

 

[Feac_]

so you used other peoples accounts to test and you have it installed on your pc ?

what more do you need than that kemor ?

 

[taen]

imo 99% of ppl who RvR know that radar exists and is used in the game .... they also know that ppl get away with using it as its fairly obvious who uses it ( u know when you always seem to get hit from behind by the same guild ). What you should do is report to GOA who you think is using it and maybe GOA will be able to find and catch these cheats

 

[Sichama]

It's common knowledge that these programs exist and that GoA can do nothing about them if whoever uses them does it right.
Mainly because the only way GoA can prove you are using them is by breaking the law themselves.

Ofcourse there will allways be people that don't know how to do it in a way that you can be safe or maybe only one of the programs works that way, im not very sure tbh but i do know that at least one of them runs on a seperate machine.

But the...
See no Evil,
Hear no Evil,
Speak no Evil,
mentality is the worst that can ever exist, lol@ all the people that prefer to hide behind their fingers instead of making a realy big issue about it so Mythic will fix the holes in their product, or if they can't, make it available to all.

Suuure everyone pretend nothing bad is hapening and maybe it will go away, or most of the players are to stupid to do some basic google or yahoo search and find what they want so lets keep it quiet.

Grats to Lomald that tried it and had the balls to anounce it and his findings, now maybe people will start making a noise about it and not do Mythic/GoA a favor by closing their eyes,ears and mouth about it.

 

[Skaven]

Originally posted by Sichama
Grats to Lomald that tried it and had the balls to anounce it and his findings, now maybe people will start making a noise about it and not do Mythic/GoA a favor by closing their eyes,ears and mouth about it.

 

[Driwen]

Originally posted by Sichama
Grats to Lomald that tried it and had the balls to anounce it and his findings, now maybe people will start making a noise about it and not do Mythic/GoA a favor by closing their eyes,ears and mouth about it.

and ruin probably the fun for people on his server for a month.

Anyway whats the use of discussing this here? It doesnt teach people more how to find a radar user and everyone already knows the cheat exists so posting about it wont alert people on the fact.
Saying that you can get away with it, is reasonable news though, but wont help catch cheaters. Reporting his case to goa would have been possibly useful (allthough it is largely useless as goa most likely has used radar themself to know how people using it react).

Exactly what use will lomalds post do then?

 

[Sichama]

Read my post again the answer is in there....

 

[Arnor]

ITS SONAR FFS!!!

 

[old.Morchaoron]

Originally posted by Arnor
ITS SONAR FFS!!!

thats only in ToA

 

[Appollo]

What did i miss Lomald?

 

[nightsorrow]

i think alot of infils (and mincer/reavercombos(xxx and xxx..)



know daoc isnt cheatfree..

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Appollo
What did i miss Lomald?

Not much I guess, just that I played around with radar to see how people using it reacted and how GOA would deal with the problem, obviously they don't do shit against it (which i was trying to find out because i know retards been using them for ages).

Originally posted by Feac_


so you used other peoples accounts to test and you have it installed on your pc ?

what more do you need than that kemor ?

Yes I used other peoples accounts because they also got tired of radar and other things like me and they even told me that i should try it on their account to see if GOA would ban for it (which by today haven't happened).

So what kemor needs to know and do is....

1. The various accounts i've tried it out on.
2. To learn the fact that he shared it with me thus my friend breaking various rules bound to DAoC.
3. Ban the freaking accounts for cheats.
4. Show himself perhaps?

Originally posted by Driwen
you told how useful it is and that you probably wont get punished and it is also useful for people in groups.

Yes it's very usefull in groups and it was rather easy to find out who used it and who didn't becuase I could see everyone un-stealthed miles away (mmg -> amg distance and even more) and when a zerg or a huge force from a realm ran towards the same guild over and over again they turned and ran in circles around the zerg i don't know how many times in this month i've tried it...this just made me 100% sure the guilds i DID suspect used radar actually used it.

I will not accuse the guild itself just their driver as It's so easy finding the cheaters if you cheat yourself.

Originally posted by Encima
f*cking retard..

Merry christmas to you too!Actually try to see what I'm trying to do ... posts like that actually brings anger and when that anger reaches GOA/MYTHIC they will do actions I hope.

I could confirm the names becuase this program gave me the names and various other information (race etc) if i targeted them on the "map" from the program.

Originally posted by drummer
I'm innocent , though name and shame for those who do

I was innocent while i played my infil as well but I sure as hell had lot of suspicious thoughts against a few people and a few guilds/guild drivers.....and after using it myself I have confirmed it.

Name and shame might be one thing, but as I don't have an account to report with i can't really do anything against it (sold mine).

Originally posted by taen
imo 99% of ppl who RvR know that radar exists and is used in the game .... they also know that ppl get away with using it as its fairly obvious who uses it ( u know when you always seem to get hit from behind by the same guild ). What you should do is report to GOA who you think is using it and maybe GOA will be able to find and catch these cheats

When I was still playing I did report everytime to right now when i thougth someone was using radar.... according to their rules you shouold report ... realm rank of cheater, date and time when it occured, place it occured, name of person who you suspected. However, every reply i got from GOA was a standard "Thanks for reporting we are looking into it".

And fyi I did report every one of them that i have now confirmed using it back when i played, yet GOA didn't do shit about it. OR they did but didn't ban nor delete chars....how should I know as they are still in the game using it.

Originally posted by Sichama
...now maybe people will start making a noise about it and not do Mythic/GoA a favor by closing their eyes,ears and mouth about it.

Hopefully yes and that is actually what i am hoping for becuase the game really would be better if they stoped it... a LOT better.

Originally posted by nightsorrow
i think alot of infils (and mincer/reavercombos(xxx and xxx..)

know daoc isnt cheatfree..

I think everyone knows daoc isn't cheatfree, but it's mainly those l33t guilds that use them in one way or another, not everyone IN the guild but a few members supplying it to the guild making them look l33t.

Plus bards, minstrels, skalds are using it *a lot* due to speed... as late as last night 23rd december, my FG was chasing 2 bards (which we killed later at mmg when i baited them with a paladin) as I was the driver ... I saw them entering near Mill while we were at MMG road....we used the road towards mill , they used the road as well....they turned around from us at a distance of 8000... was so obvious ... i chased after and they tried to run around us, I countered by running back towards DCX and yet again at around 8000 (think it was more like 7000) they avoided us and ran back in a circle towards mill to avoid us... These two bards Saw us at Radar distance and they were RR4 and RR7, allthough the RR7 bard (surprise surprise) was the leader/driver.

Anyway my point is .. speed chars can easily find solo targets with this program and AVOID detection from teh zerg so they benefit *a lot* from it .. mincers even got stealth so the other cheaters can't find them.

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

oh btw, mods edited a non-radar info giving post for some reason (they might edit my previous or this to) so I guess the mods for this game forums like people to use radar and don't want to alert the community for how badly it ruins the game.

wtg belamon (or whatever your name was) now please put back my original text there or i'll edit it so you have to ban me to get rid of it, fair enough with me ..

 

[Ialkarn]

If everyone would "test" cheats like you did/doing the game wouldn't be playble.

If you think Mithic/Goa dosen't do jack against radar's users you are wrong,if you think talking about your experiments helps the community against that you are even more wrong.

The best way to prevent ppl from cheat is not diffuse cheats/bugs knowlege,cause you can't prevent a game to be affected by that,you can fix things but it's only temporary :new bugs and cheats working whit the new versions of the game 'll be out aniway,soon or later.
Why that? cause ppl making cheats are programmers,and they are many and they support their softwares fixing them patch by patch,like mithic does whit daoc or <insert company> does whit <insert software>.

Now if you really care about preventing your community by the diffusion of cheats like Radar you should stop to talk about them.

If you wanna drag attention on it (or on you?) continue to make posts like this one.

 

[Tyka]

This is no news really for the experienced player, and I've said this before but will say it again, goa can't do anything about some of these radar programs.

Best thing to do is to bring it up here on forums and discuss it, the people who use the programs maybe will rethink when they see that their friends is totally against it, thats MO.

 

[Whisperess]

Originally posted by Lomald Umilinn
Yes it's very usefull in groups and it was rather easy to find out who used it and who didn't becuase I could see everyone un-stealthed miles away (mmg -> amg distance and even more) and when a zerg or a huge force from a realm ran towards the same guild over and over again they turned and ran in circles around the zerg i don't know how many times in this month i've tried it...this just made me 100% sure the guilds i DID suspect used radar actually used it.

Just had to comment on this one. It's not that hard to avoid the zerg or even groups as a stealther and/or in a group. You don't need a radar, you can 'feel' in what direction the enemy is by either lag or by watching when your harddrive starts working when you're moving in a certain direction.

This has saved atleast me and my groups a dozen times, and ofcourse - sometimes I've been wrong, but it's worth reacting for those times you actually do get away.

Not quite sure what you meant by people "unstealthing with mmg->amg distance or more", but if it isn't a mincer, you do realize that it get tedious to run around stealthed all the time? Thus you unstealth and hope you'll be able to stealth in time either by visuals or by 'feel' as described above.

I'm not in any way defending radar users, as any kind of cheating is just pathetic, but there are various ways of using the in-game information to pick a direction to run to at more than one occassion. And yes, I have seen what I believe to be radar users in DF when stealthing around in there and I reported them after a good while of studying them. ( They don't play anymore, btw ).

A thing that's 'funny' is directly after Goa stated on their website that they've banned a few accounts for using 3rd party tools to gather information, there was a sudden influx in good-bye threads ( might be unrelated, but still think it was funny )

 

[Sichama]

If my understanding of how one of them works is correct, Mythic can do shit about it as it is not tracable unless Mythic actually hacks her way into your LAN, and i think further encrypting the inbound data would result in increased lag and the encryption method should change weekly.

So if this is a feature that alot of players can run with it's only fair to give it to everyone.
No feature is bad or good as long as everyone can use it, its not even hard to do it.

Oh and about the Mods, well i don't know who kept them in check here (just a bit at least) but they have shown their real face on that other forum they are on now, especially Belsameth.

 

[Divinia]

Originally posted by Sichama

But the...
See no Evil,
Hear no Evil,
Speak no Evil,

J00 GONNA BURN IN HELL!

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Whisperess
Just had to comment on this one. It's not that hard to avoid the zerg or even groups as a stealther and/or in a group. You don't need a radar, you can 'feel' in what direction the enemy is by either lag or by watching when your harddrive starts working when you're moving in a certain direction.

This has saved atleast me and my groups a dozen times, and ofcourse - sometimes I've been wrong, but it's worth reacting for those times you actually do get away.

Not quite sure what you meant by people "unstealthing with mmg->amg distance or more", but if it isn't a mincer, you do realize that it get tedious to run around stealthed all the time? Thus you unstealth and hope you'll be able to stealth in time either by visuals or by 'feel' as described above.

I'm not in any way defending radar users, as any kind of cheating is just pathetic, but there are various ways of using the in-game information to pick a direction to run to at more than one occassion. And yes, I have seen what I believe to be radar users in DF when stealthing around in there and I reported them after a good while of studying them. ( They don't play anymore, btw ).

A thing that's 'funny' is directly after Goa stated on their website that they've banned a few accounts for using 3rd party tools to gather information, there was a sudden influx in good-bye threads ( might be unrelated, but still think it was funny )

Was a bit misunderstanding i think .. with un-stealthed i meant everyone running un-stealthed .. thus not classes that can stealth as radar can't in any way detect stealthed characters except for last known position of them.

In anyway there is no way to avoid 2 realm zergs by driving zick-zak at a distance of 8000-12000 without knowing how they move and if they move towards you you move away from them again...knowing that is using radar, 2 mid guilds 1 hib guild is what I've found out using it .. they play regulary and are high in the ranks so no surprise really to me at least. Haven't got any suspition against albs , yet, even though i played in both mid and hib on various acc's i saw only once or twice the same guild from alb reacting incredible good from a far greater distance then the other groups....but could be co-incident so nothing to speak about.

 

[Lomald Umilinn]

Originally posted by Sichama
If my understanding of how one of them works is correct, Mythic can do shit about it as it is not tracable unless Mythic actually hacks her way into your LAN, and i think further encrypting the inbound data would result in increased lag and the encryption method should change weekly.

So if this is a feature that alot of players can run with it's only fair to give it to everyone.
No feature is bad or good as long as everyone can use it, its not even hard to do it.

Oh and about the Mods, well i don't know who kept them in check here (just a bit at least) but they have shown their real face on that other forum they are on now, especially Belsameth.

It shouldn't be too hard for them to find out who is using radar and not, they are not allowed to hack into our LAN and scan it but they are however allowed to monitor all traffic from and to their LAN...these radar programs aren't exactly running in stealth mode (which you can check by doing netstat i.e) so for me it makes no sense why they haven't done anything.