pwned 2k3:RETRIBUTION tourno SIGNUP

[deygos]

problem with all this "nerfing" is you're trying to balance something which inherently isn't balanced - ie some classes have the tools for dueling & other's do not (hence the need for same class v class)

having sc'ed gear & ra's makes thing's more interesting imo (as was the case on hib) - some peeps had dots, some peeps had ablatives

as someone mentioned i don't want it to come down to luck because we've stripped away all this other stuff...with 3 rounds you will need to think about went to burn what etc & most likely in the final round thing's will be pretty even

the original idea on hib of letting everyone having whatever they wanted to bring was to give people more options in duel's, make them think more about their setup etc...

it didn;t work out so well because tourno happened to soon after sc'ing had started so some peeps just couldn't get the gear in time and as it happens most people didn't realise they could bring charged items and some fights were unbalanced...

BUT the bigg diff with this tourno on alb is the rr banding, on hib there was no rr capping...here a rr1-4l9 / rr5+ tourno should even things out a bit more this time

despite the opinions voiced on this post so far (all of them valid) i'm all for saying this

bring what you can bring to the duel

if you wanna win get the best gear u can, borrow it lol & get your guild to help you out -

- so that means, all ra's, all sc'ed gear, all class defining abilities and everything that you specced for etc....how's that?? ;]

also...where the hell are all the reavers? are u guys broke or somit? ;]

 

[deygos]

so far things MIGHT look like this


main tank tourno..

arms v mercs v paladins v INFILS? v FRIARS? v REAVERS?

cleric v cleric
mincer v mincer
scout v scout

yada yada blah blah


caster duels don't "work" but im open to suggestion, the hib one was just a pure bolting affair, no other stuff allowed, ended in like 10 seconds...

 

[Sohan_THC]

Got 2 char for tournament

Armswoman Sohan 50
RR5 got s.c. armour with proc's etc (yep fully loaded)
No use of ip/purge etc in duel needed

Always drunken Frair Geac 50
RR 3L1 epic armour
Aint got any active r.a. 's

 

[Exinferis]

Originally posted by deygos
caster duels don't "work" but im open to suggestion, the hib one was just a pure bolting affair, no other stuff allowed, ended in like 10 seconds...

bleh, was planning on pwning someone with my NS

but its true... cabalist duel will be crap, first one to get NS in wins

 

[Rawkir]

Chipper R5L0
Actives: Not bothered, it makes no real difference since those with who are very high ranked will have both more passives and more actives, so there's no way to even it.
Although i'd suggest saying no to to actives in case of the paladins only, since pally vs pally duels can last for hours anyway, and some bastard like hatjitjai with faith heal *and* ignore pain can live pretty much forvever. Also with paladins engage should not be allowed, since with tactical usage of engage a paladin literally *cannot* lose.. He might not win, but h certainly won't lose.

Most classes might have boring duels etc. But i can't think of any class that regenerates itself like paladin, so thats why i believe paladins should be special cases when duelling each other.

As to which classes to fight. Infils and friars should certainly be competing in the tank contest, since they are both quite capable of holding their own in a straight up fight.

But, can an infil (or even a scout) stealth before the duel begins? Since an infil's natural first attacks is from stealth, but i'd use my taunt shout to stop him doing it if he tried to stealth after the duel began.. How did the NS's work this out in hib? Coz when i duel a lot of infils expect me to stand there and let them perf, if they do manage to stealth i'll run around to try and prevent it.. Which can make duels last a seriously long time if the infil is as patient as i am persistent..

Maybe rather than splitting the classes into tanks vs tanks, you could make it so that hybrids compete with hybrids, poles with poles/2handers, s+s vs s+s and duel wield vs duel wield.
As this could be the main unbalacing issue is that s+s is weak vs duel weild, pole is weak vs s+s etc..

One last incy wincy whine, its not fair that i just dinged r5 so i have to compete with those r8-9 guys but nm

I really didn't mean to write this much by the way, i just got caught up in it Looking forward to fighting (and hopefully beating..) you all

 

[deygos]

@rawkir

pally v pally duels will be capped at 30mins, if they go over this time limit then we restart with no shields

however if both pally's agree , shields - ie engage can be dropped from their duel

How did the NS's work this out in hib? Coz when i duel a lot of infils expect me to stand there and let them perf

i tried to get ns's in with tanks but most people opposed it so they had their own little tourney.

i want to put infils + friars all in the same mix as it will make the tourney A LOT more interesting & yes infils would b allowed to stealth and p.a (if they can get it off) as it's what their class is all about

like i said before i don't want to nerf anyone, nor do i want to unbalance the tourney & put people off entering coz of x & y etc

so if we're all happy..infils & friars will go in, over 3 rounds it could b real interesting ;] - one concern tho is poisons, the new alchemy ones particularly

you could make it so that hybrids compete with hybrids, poles with poles/2handers, s+s vs s+s and duel wield vs duel wield.

this would make duels too predictable, both for peeps watching and for the duelers

as i see it there's two ways to do this, " all in " OR "class v class" with the winners of each section going into champions tourney - problems with doing this is getting enough people into each section but the plus is that whoever wins can say they r the best friar etc blah blah

also do peeps reckon the rr cap is too low? should it be rr1-rr5l9 and then rr6+ ???

 

[stighelmer]

Wouldn't this be an idea?

All armsmen fight it out and same goes for paladins, and then the winner of each class fight it out.

Same goes for infils/mercs and friars/reavers.

This way in this example we have 3 fighters of different classes. Lotto will decide which two that fight first and then the third fight the winner of the first fight.

Also, to avoid serious waiting time (especially if it will be best out of 3 fight, don't allow active RA's - since many of them are on 15/30 min timers)

Cheers

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by Exinferis
but its true... cabalist duel will be crap, first one to get NS in wins

pffft, nearsight is uber at wall fights and keep defs, on open ground all it means is u gotta get closer or pick a closer target

 

[belth]

No point dueling as an inf if you can't use poisons, they're quite necessary to deal out high damage, otherwise infil's just a crap merc... The new alchemy ones are pretty much worthless (maybe the lvl50 ones aren't, but how many have them? 2 infils maybe?). No poisons means no to all class-specific abilites...

 

[K0nah]

Originally posted by deygos
i want to put infils + friars all in the same mix as it will make the tourney A LOT more interesting & yes infils would b allowed to stealth and p.a (if they can get it off) as it's what their class is all about

erm well i dont like this idea much. keep it simple and class vs class till the later stages, sure inf duels let them stalk each other stealthed and try for the cs moves, just like they would in real rvr.

Originally posted by deygos
also do peeps reckon the rr cap is too low? should it be rr1-rr5l9 and then rr6+ ???

nah lvl51 peeps and non-lvl51peeps sounds like the best natural "division" possible. rr5+ ppl have more dps and possibly more af to go with thier more rps, overall making it that little bit tuffer for anyone below.

 

[deygos]

@stighelmer re:waiting around & timers etc

there will be a schedule and u will be called well in advance of your duel

u will fight all 3 rounds one after the other, we're not gonna wait for peeps to get ip back up etc..no way ;] so when u get there your ra's should be up already

All armsmen fight it out and same goes for paladins, and then the winner of each class fight it out.

yeah this is the way its heading it seems, so will need at least 4 peeps from each class for each section, the 1st and 2nd placed winners from each section will go into the champions tourney where all melee classes can meet each other

 

[deygos]

so far these r the peeps that have signed up

i'm sure there'd be more but not everyone reads bw....and even worse the alliances in alb are kinda fragmented ;/...gonna get goa to advertise this early methinks



as u can see we NEED MORE PUNCHBAGS

& where r alb's big hitters? surely u lot got something to prove?

 

[Afroninja]

someone has far too much time on his hands methinks

 

[deygos]

naw took about 2mins

 

[belth]

I might sign up with my inf, but fighting someone 3.6 RR's higher? Guess who doesn't stand much chances?

 

[Kagato.]

Theres gotta be more people up for this lol.

 

[Ckiller ofDust]

why not i can try )

Ckiller ofDust
Pally 6l0 closin on 1

and ofcourse Active RAs just respecced to that )

 

[deygos]

patience young Kagato , there are

they just don't know it yet

 

[skile]

I think you should remove this rr5+ or 4l9-. The subject is to find out which one is "best" in each class yeh?

 

[Kagato.]

I think thats what the 'free for all' afterwards is for. Winners of each division going head to head?

 

[Wou]

Wou Mindbarrier

Sorcerer 6L1

RA: yes

Pet: yes

 

[kirennia]

Name:Kirennia
class :Cleric
rr :6L1


imo, let all tanks come together right from the very start, lotto for who fights who, thus it's completely random and not biased to anyone. Lets everyone use their main abilities, let everyone use RA's for a laugh or don't, jsut don't rule out some and not some others, otherwise it jsut nerfs people too much. Personally i'd say don't. Also, in the grand finals or all classes together, would love to go against a few tanks in this, is always great fun fighting tanks as a healer

 

[Jergiot]

Name: Jergiot
Class: Scout
Rank: 6L7
RA: anything goes
Alchemy: anything, excluding potions, cba to go get some tbh

 

[-farek-]

Name: Farek
Class: Paladin
Rank: 7L6
RA's: No active

 

[Aule Valar]

Name: Aule
Class: Theurgist
RR: 5L0 (doh)
Ra: NO

 

[deygos]

updated

keep'em coming...

 

[[TP]Darksbane]

paldin R5L2
RAs - Yes
Alchemy - Yes
Dirty tricks - always

 

[_sewen_]

name : Sewen
paladin : R5L7
RAs : anything goes
Alchemy : Yes

 

[Puppetmistress]

name: Puppetmistress
Class: Theurgist
RR: 4L6 or 4L7; don't remember, but RR4

RA: no
Alchemy: no

 

[[PS]Venom]

I'm RR4L0!

And don't name it amatuer/pro