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[Marc]

Arsenals "youth policy" is a bit of a red herring actually. As someone has already said, they just buy already established youth players and then claim that they developed them

 

[cHodAX]

Arsenals "youth policy" is a bit of a red herring actually. As someone has already said, they just buy already established youth players and then claim that they developed them

Yep, that is pretty close to the truth of it.

 

[soze]

Yep, that is pretty close to the truth of it.

No its not find me 10 out of 20 players in our under 18s who we purchased as established theo and ramsey yeah but most other kids have been with us for years.

 

[Marc]

No its not find me 10 out of 20 players in our under 18s who we purchased as established theo and ramsey yeah but most other kids have been with us for years.

We are talking about the players that actually go on to become first team players. How many of these have come through the famed Arse youth academy? One?

 

[soze]

We are talking about the players that actually go on to become first team players. How many of these have come through the famed Arse youth academy? One?

How long do you want in the reserves youths before hitting the first team? And the famed youth academy is not the same as the youth policy which i mentioned as in giving talented youngsters a try. The academy imo will start to show what it can do now the 6 years olds that signed when wenger first took over are starting to come though obviously not all of them can make it but at least 3 or 4 could make it.

 

[gohan]

We are talking about the players that actually go on to become first team players. How many of these have come through the famed Arse youth academy? One?

to be fair



pennant, jermaine alliadier(sp?) david bently ashley cole all through arsenal youth, all play in prem


just not for arsenal

 

[gohan]

to be fair



pennant, jermaine alliadier(sp?) david bently ashley cole all through arsenal youth, all play in prem


just not for arsenal

oh and super steve sidwell \0/


tho ofc flamini fabregas toure bendtner clichy and theo were all potched




imo best youth set up is westham


lampard, cole, defoe, both ferdinands, carrick ect

 

[Marc]

to be fair



pennant, jermaine alliadier(sp?) david bently ashley cole all through arsenal youth, all play in prem


just not for arsenal

Pennant was signed for £2m. Alliadier was signed at 16, from a french club.

So 2

 

[soze]

Pennant was signed for £2m. Alliadier was signed at 16, from a french club.

So 2

How many current Everton players were at Everton from 12?

Or Man U or any one else?

 

[megadave]

But we're talking about Arsenal because their youth policy is their bragging point. Although to be fair, they don't ever pay 30 million for shevchenko, berbatov, 20m for keane etc so still, credit to them.

Check this website, shows the market value of all the teams, and Arsenal, despite minimal investment in purchasing players are right up there in fourth.
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/wettbewerb/GB1/premier-league/uebersicht/startseite.html

 

[Ormorof]

well how old the oldest before its poaching, i suspect alot of smaller clubs without acadamies probably have some contact with the big clubs to give the players the chance to do as well as they possibly can

as for arsenals lack of england players their youth team currently consists of about 7-8 england youth players (u19's and u16's) so they cant be doing that badly, give it a few years and one or two of them might be on the arsenal first team! and the rest of them? well they'll probably be playing somewhere

 

[Wonk]

well how old the oldest before its poaching, i suspect alot of smaller clubs without acadamies probably have some contact with the big clubs to give the players the chance to do as well as they possibly can

as for arsenals lack of england players their youth team currently consists of about 7-8 england youth players (u19's and u16's) so they cant be doing that badly, give it a few years and one or two of them might be on the arsenal first team! and the rest of them? well they'll probably be playing somewhere

lol sorry, but you're missing the point completly. I'm a banana.

 

[Ch3tan]

I think the point is, arsenal do like boasting. Boasting is fine if they can back it up with trophies, but they are a shambles right now. Wenger buys young, but needs to support British talent (look at Villa), he also needs to realise the Premier League is just too physical for his "small guy" policy. They need some strength. Arsenal (the board and Wenger) like to use the "youth policy" as an excuse not to spend money, and they need to, or they risk missing out on the champs league.

 

[soze]

I think the point is, arsenal do like boasting. Boasting is fine if they can back it up with trophies, but they are a shambles right now. Wenger buys young, but needs to support British talent (look at Villa), he also needs to realise the Premier League is just too physical for his "small guy" policy. They need some strength. Arsenal (the board and Wenger) like to use the "youth policy" as an excuse not to spend money, and they need to, or they risk missing out on the champs league.

Villa have purchased a few of the english youth they are playing. Wenger plays Wenger football and untill now English kids have not been bough up playing that so they have not fit in. now he has had a chance to oversee our youth development we have a lot of english youth coming though.

The part of the youth policy to be proud of is players like Cesc Barce would not offer him pro papers so he would prolly still be slumming in the Barce B team but wenger took a gamble and its paid off.

I agree we need midfield backbone though as i am not sure Denilson or Diaby are the answer but it will not be the first time wenger proves me wrong so heres hoping.

 

[Turamber]

Villa have purchased a few of the english youth they are playing.

But then we don't claim bragging rights for not spending money these days. During the late Ellis period we did brag about our academy and play a lot of our homegrown talent but MON looked at it and decided they weren't up to snuff.

Gabby and Gardener are products of our youth academy and Barry, although signed from Brighton as a teenager, received the better part of his football education at Villa.

Jloyd Samuel, Darius Vassell, Luke Moore, Gary Cahill (all playing in the Premier League) and Steven Davis (ex Premier League, now playing in Scotland) were all produced by the Villa academy incidently.

 

[leviathane]

Well that's it, Tony Adams has gone

 

[cHodAX]

Well that's it, Tony Adams has gone

Just Harry to go and my first prediction will have come true, lets just hope the second prediction of Spur and Pompy both being relegated comes to fruition as well.

 

[soze]

Lukasz Fabianski – 23 - 2007, Kieran Gibbs – 19 - 2004*, Johan Djourou – 22 - 2003, Alex Song – 21 - 2005, Gavin Hoyte – 19 - 2000*, Fran Merida – 18 - 2006, Mark Randall – 19 - 2005*, Aaron Ramsey – 18 - 2008, Jack Wilshere - 17 - 2001*, Jay Simpson – 20 - 1997*, Carlos Vela – 19 - 2005,

Vito Mannone – 20 - 2005, Amaury Bischoff - 21 - 2008, Francis Coquelin – 17 - 2008, Rui Fonte – 18 - 2006, Henri Lansbury – 18 – 1999*, Abu Ogogo – 19 – 2004*

Thats the Carling cup team that beat Wigan a reason to be proud i think, not sure how long you think they have to be at Arsenal to be considers arsenal youth or just arsenal signed though.

 

[megadave]

By the way, if anyone hasn't seen this already, the Guardian have a very interesting tool where you can see how an individual player contributes to a game.

Chalkboards | Create your chalkboard | Football | guardian.co.uk

 

[Uara]

Very Nice tool there dave rep for you!

 

[Ch3tan]

Villa have purchased a few of the english youth they are playing. Wenger plays Wenger football and untill now English kids have not been bough up playing that so they have not fit in. now he has had a chance to oversee our youth development we have a lot of english youth coming though.

The part of the youth policy to be proud of is players like Cesc Barce would not offer him pro papers so he would prolly still be slumming in the Barce B team but wenger took a gamble and its paid off.

I agree we need midfield backbone though as i am not sure Denilson or Diaby are the answer but it will not be the first time wenger proves me wrong so heres hoping.

Wenger has become to stubborn and embattled though. He insists on disagreeing with critics and the press even if they are right. Song, Diaby, Denilson? They are not the right player, and probably never will be. Wenger gives these players too long to prove their potential, and you cannot do that when you are fighting for the League.

 

[leviathane]

they have their moments but agree they are lacking something.

 

[megadave]

Some of my Arsenal mates were hoping they'd nick Upson back off West Ham since they need the cash and their defence has been really solid recently (although i think that couldbe a Steve Clarke thing, hence why our defence has gone to shit since he left) Think he would of been good, although i see them needing a new Viera tbh.

 

[soze]

Wenger has become to stubborn and embattled though. He insists on disagreeing with critics and the press even if they are right. Song, Diaby, Denilson? They are not the right player, and probably never will be. Wenger gives these players too long to prove their potential, and you cannot do that when you are fighting for the League.

That I agree with and i think covering for these players is what has been bringing Cescs game down too. I see he has 2 options one buy a 30 something DM player for 18 months 2 years to help these players learn and progress Claude Sienna for example. Or move Kolo up too the defensive midfield role seeing as it looks like him and Galas do not play that well together.

 

[Ch3tan]

I dunno, Toure and Gallas have been finding their form again, and you tried other pairings this season and they did not work. If those two put the errors behind them then it can work again. Toure really needs to lose some weight though.

 

[Ch3tan]

So Adams sacked... we all saw that one coming.... but

Scolari sacked with immediate effect:

Sky Sports | Football | Premier League | News | Scolari sacked by Chelsea

 

[Corran]

And the breaking news at the moment...

apparently scolari has been sacked by chelski!

Thought he may get to the end of the season, but i guess the poor weekend performance left them little choice.

SCOLARI DISMISSED
Posted on: Mon 09 Feb 2009

Luiz Felipe Scolari has been dismissed as manager of Chelsea Football Club today (Monday) with immediate effect.

The Chelsea board would like to place on record our gratitude for his time as manager.

Felipe has brought many positives to the club since he joined and we all feel a sense of sadness that our relationship has ended so soon.

Unfortunately the results and performances of the team appeared to be deteriorating at a key time in the season.

In order to maintain a challenge for the trophies we are still competing for we felt the only option was to make the change now.

The search for a new manager has already started and we hope to have someone in place as soon as possible.

While that continues Assistant Coach Ray Wilkins will take charge of the team on a temporary basis.

 

[amodien]

And the breaking news at the moment...

apparently scolari has been sacked by chelski!

Thought he may get to the end of the season, but i guess the poor weekend performance left them little choice.

Disgraceful!

 

[soze]

I wonder if Harry will trade up again and take the Chel$ki job

 

[Corran]

I wonder if Harry will trade up again and take the Chel$ki job

too many big name players at the club for Harry to work his magic ;p