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[Lethul]

Obviously Keane wanted to go back to his Tottenham friends

 

[Uara]

Hahahh Lethul, awesome photo!

 

[Ch3tan]

Best footy story of the day :

Manchester United trio Carlos Tevez, Ji-Sung Park and Patrice Evra have become best mates, to the bemusement of the rest of the players. Darren Fletcher said of the Argentine, the South Korean and the Frenchman: "What language do they speak? They walk around together, they banter with each other. I don't know how it works." (Daily Star)

 

[megadave]

Red scum match off tomorrow.

I don't really care that much what happens. Obviously i want Liverpool to win to give us a greater chance at the title but i feel like Utd have basically won it already, and i love to see Liverpool lose. Fucking scum.

Predictions?

 

[megadave]

just posted this in the general manc v scouse discussion so i figure i may as well plonk it in here as it's interesting and should provoke discussion. ripped from another forum!

Liverpool Players In Since Summer 2004

Josemi Rey (£2,000,000)
Antonio Nunez (£1,500,000)
Luis Garcia (£6,000,000)
Xabi Alonso (£10,700,000)
Mauricio Pellegrino (Free)
Fernando Morientes (£6,300,000)
Scott Carson (£1,000,000)
Antonio Barragan (£240,000)
Boudewijn Zenden (Free)
Jose Reina (£6,000,000)
Mohamed Sissoko (£5,600,000)
Peter Crouch (£7,000,000)
Godwin Antwi (Unknown)
Miki Roque (Unknown)
Jack Hobbs (£150,000)
Besian Idrizaj (£190,000)
Mark Gonzalez (£1,500,000)
Paul Anderson (Player Exchange)
Jan Kromkamp (Player Exchange)
Daniel Agger (£5,800,000)
David Martin (£250,000)
Robbie Fowler (Free)
Craig Bellamy (£6,000,000)
Gabriel Paletta (£2,000,000)
Fábio Aurélio (Free)
Jermaine Pennant (£6,700,000)
Dirk Kuyt (£9,000,000)
Nabil El Zhar (£200,000)
Jordy Brouwer (Undisclosed)
Francisco Durán (£66,000)
Ronald Huth (Undisclosed)
Álvaro Arbeloa (£2,500,000)
Lucas Leiva (£5,000,000)
Mikel San José Domínguez (£270,000)
Sebastian Leto (£1,800,000)
Fernando Torres (£20,200,000)
Andriy Voronin (Free)
Yossi Benayoun (£5,000,000)
Ryan Babel (£11,500,000)
Charles Itandje (Undisclosed)
Emiliano Insúa (£1,300,000)
Martin Skrtel (£6,500,000)
Javier Mascherano (£17,000,000)
Philipp Degen (Free)
Andrea Dossena (£7,000,000)
Diego Cavalieri (£3,500,000)
David Ngog (£1,500,000)
Robbie Keane (£19,000,000)
Albert Riera (£8,000,000)

Total spend: £189.866m

Liverpool Players Out Since Summer 2004

Markus Babbel (Free)
Danny Murphy (£2,500,000)
Michael Owen (£8,500,000)
Stephane Henchoz (Free)
Vladimir Smicer (Free)
El Hadji Diouf (£3,500,000)
Mauricio Pellegrino (Free)
Alou Diarra (£2,000,000)
Mark Smyth (Free)
Paul Harrison (Free)
Richie Partridge (Free)
Patrice Luzi (Free)
Gregory Vignal (Free)
Igor Biscan (Free)
Jon Otsemobor (Free)
Antonio Nunez (£2,000,000)
Milan Baros (£6,500,000)
John Welsh (Player Exchange)
Josemi Rey (Player Exchange)
Zak Whitbread (£200,000)
Bruno Cheyrou (Undisclosed)
Robbie Foy (Free)
David Raven (Free)
Fernando Morientes (£3,000,000)
Dietmar Hamann (Free)
Antonio Barragan (£675,000)
Djimi Traore (£2,000,000)
Carl Medjani (Free)
Neil Mellor (£500,000)
Jan Kromkamp (£1,750,000)
Chris Kirkland (£3,500,000)
Darren Potter (£250,000)
Stephen Warnock (£1,500,000)
Salif Diao (Free)
Florent S.-Pongolle (£2,700,000)
Danny O’ Donnell (£100,000)
Jerzy Dudek (Free)
Boudewijn Zenden (Free)
Robbie Fowler (Free)
Luis Garcia (£4,000,000)
Djibril Cissé (£6,000,000)
Craig Bellamy (£7,500,000)
Mark Gonzalez (£3,500,000)
Gabriel Paletta (£1,200,000)
James Smith (Free)
Mohamed Sissoko (£8,200,000)
Lee Peltier (Free)
John Arne Riise (£4,000,000)
Harry Kewell (Free)
Anthony Le Tallec (Undisclosed)
Peter Crouch (£11,000,000)
Danny Guthrie (£2,250,000)
Scott Carson (£3,250,000)
Steve Finnan (Undisclosed)
Robbie Keane (£15,000,000)

Total sale: £107.075m

Net spend: £82.791m

Manchester United Players In Since Summer 2004

Tosic (£17m)
Berbatov (£30.75m)
Nani (£17m)
Hargreaves (£17m)
Anderson (£18m)
Kuzczak (£2.5m)
Carrick (£18.6m)
Foster (£1m)
Vidic (£7m)
Evra (£5.5m)
Park (£4m)
Van der Sar (£2.5m)
Rooney (£30m)

Total spend: £170.35m

Manchester United Players Out Since Summer 2004

Nicky Butt (£2.5m)
Luke Chadwick (Free)
Diego Forlan (£2m)
Bojan Djordjic (Free)
Eric Djemba-Djemba (£1.35)
Roy Carroll (Free)
Daniel Nardiello (Free)
Phil Neville (£3.5m)
Kleberson (£2.5m)
Roy Keane (Free)
David Fox (Free)
Neil Wood (Free)
Phil Picken (Free)
Tommy Lee (Free)
Jonathan Spector (£500,000)
Eddie Johnson (Free)
Sylvan Ebanks-Blake (£200,000)
Quinton Fortune (Free)
Ruud van Nistelrooy (£11m)
Luke Steele (Player exchange)
Paul McShane (Free)
Liam Miller (Free)
David Jones (£1m)
Tim Howard (£3m)
Kieran Richardson (£5.5m)
Giuseppe Rossi (£6.6m)
Daniel Rose (Undisclosed)
Alan Smith (£6m)
Gabriel Heinze (£8m)
Phil Marsh (Free)
Adam Eckersley (Free)
Ryan Shawcross (£1m)
Phil Bardsley (£2m)
Kieran Lee (Free)
Gerard Pique (£5m)
Michael Lea (Free)
Ritchie Jones (Free)
Chris Eagles (£1m)
Mikael Silvestre (£750k)
Louis Saha (Undisclosed)

Total sale: £63.4m

Net spend: £106.95m

When taking in to consideration the money spent on players and the money recouped, there is a difference of just £24.2 million between United and Liverpool since the summer of 2004.

The season before Benitez took over, Liverpool were fourth in the league. United finished just one place above them that season.

Liverpool trophies since summer of 2004: 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup,
Manchester United trophies since summer of 2004: 2 Premiership titles, 1 Champions League, 1 League Cup.

So, there is a difference of just £24.2 million, an average of just £6 million a season, and Benitez wants to know how he is supposed to compete with United?

 

[Lethul]

just posted this in the general manc v scouse discussion so i figure i may as well plonk it in here as it's interesting and should provoke discussion. ripped from another forum!

United already had a strong team, and has bought in quality players. Fergusson has built this strong backbone for ages.
Benitez is still building his backbone, so i don't see what kind of discussion you wanna provoke

 

[megadave]

Well just look at the number of players Benitez has wasted on money on considering the poor amount of quality he's recieved, he clearly sucks at transfers.

edit: Also recently Benitez was moaning that he doesnt have anywhere near the spending power of Utd. £6 million a season is hardly a difference.

 

[Corran]

Reina i think it was just been moaning about Man Utd's spending power... it amazing that these people dont realise the difference... namely being that Ferguson looks for the players that could be the best/are of a very high level and spends big money on a single player...


Liverpool mostly look to spend small amounts of money on many many players. This is never going to work as you cant build your squad with poor players that cheap. Your better of spending the money you have on 5 players to buy one good player... you need at least 18 quality players, beyond that you need decent players but dont have to be top quality... that where united has the upperhand and why liverpools money complaints are bollocks.
Funny was Reina talking about the expensive players and naming ronaldo... who actually didnt cost us that much in comparison to his ability.


As an example of the Top Quality players plus decent cover. United have:

defense : Ferdinand/Vidic/Evra -cover: O'shea, Brown (neither are of highest quality but of a decent level).
Then can throw in the youth that already coming in: Rafeal, Evans, Fabio.

Midfield. - top quality - Ronaldo, Carrick (well most time ) Hargreaves (when fit which he never been ), Anderson, scholes/giggs (but they fading in ways).
cover: Park (not world class but does well and is decent), Nani (so much potential mind you, just mentally poor), Tosic (will be quality in future)

Forwards: Tevez, Rooney, Berbatov
cover: wellbeck, (ok some others but as tevez is the "cover" no point listing )

Lets use the forward line for Liverpool as a comparison.

Quality: Torres
Cover: Kuyt (never used there really and a poor winger), Babel (haha, he lacked alot since arriving), Ngog (hah)

 

[Ch3tan]

megadave, the only thing that link is missing is that we have already spent £10million on Tevez.

 

[Corran]

megadave, the only thing that link is missing is that we have already spent £10million on Tevez.

Tevez isnt a purchase though, he a loanee and none of them are actually on list (mind you not that many top players involved in loan deals, but you get hte idea)

 

[Ch3tan]

Considering the sheer cost, and the nature of the deal, it should be listed. Not that it makes much difference. If you were the Liverpool owners looking at the buying and selling you would be worried. I accept that there were a lot of politics and financial issues stopping Benetiz buying who he wanted though.

 

[Corran]

Considering the sheer cost, and the nature of the deal, it should be listed. Not that it makes much difference. If you were the Liverpool owners looking at the buying and selling you would be worried. I accept that there were a lot of politics and financial issues stopping Benetiz buying who he wanted though.

i dont think benetiz knows who he wants... or more to the point who would fit in with the best of the players he already has... he got the problem that he needs to start to really compete to attract the players that can help with that final push. Maybe this season will help with that though.

Man City though still having trouble with all their money... approach David Villa and get laughed of by the player... that was a given though anyways, anyone that knows villa knew they had little chance of buying him off.

 

[cHodAX]

Villa will end up at Liverpool if Benitez stays imo.

 

[megadave]

How are they going to afford that? If he goes anywhere it'll be for BIG money.

 

[Corran]

How are they going to afford that? If he goes anywhere it'll be for BIG money.

not as big as you think.. the team is having financial difficulties... and if i remember rightly it has actually made them stop in the middle of constructing a new stadium.
All stems to not being able to sell the land their current stadium is on, and due to this they kinda need some money.

 

[megadave]

Well the latest 2 reports are that they put a £100 million price tag on him. Which is basically Man City or nobody. However since then he's said he doesn't want to leave Valencia for the Premier league regardless.

 

[Lethul]

Can anyone post Fergusons 3 first year transfers?

 

[Ch3tan]

Valencia will not sell Villa on the cheap. He also wants to stay in Spain. I think they want at least 50mill for Villa and 20 or 30 for Silva. They are in financial trouble, but they are not stupid, Madrid's presidential elections are due in a few months - problem solved.

 

[Ch3tan]

Can anyone post Fergusons 3 first year transfers?

Why bother? Very different times. You cannot price the players at today's market value. Remember when Shearer was the most expensive striker?

 

[Turamber]

I'm a Blackburn fan for the day. It feels dirty, but so good...

 

[Ch3tan]

I do not think Blackburn have much hope to be honest. Arse do look a different side with Eduardo and Walnut back.

 

[Turamber]

Irse do look a different side with Eduardo and Walnut back.

They looked woeful against Roma and they do seem to struggle against teams that get 'in their faces'. And isn't Eduardo injured again? I have to keep believing...

 

[Corran]

aye edurado groin strain so out the blackburn game.

 

[soze]

They looked woeful against Roma and they do seem to struggle against teams that get 'in their faces'. And isn't Eduardo injured again? I have to keep believing...

At least we did not decide to roll over because our pitiful little squad could not handle the odd midweek game

 

[Turamber]

At least we did not decide to roll over because our pitiful little squad could not handle the odd midweek game

I should hope not, it is still your best chance of being in the competition again next season

 

[soze]

I should hope not, it is still your best chance of being in the competition again next season

lol

I though they said after the Liverpool Everton thing you don't play unless you finish in the top 4 from now on?

 

[Lethul]

Why bother? Very different times. You cannot price the players at today's market value. Remember when Shearer was the most expensive striker?

Then why should we bother comparing fergusons quality signings he made after he built the backbone of his team to Benitez backbone building?

 

[Ch3tan]

Because the players have the same value in those seasons. You are ignoring the issue totally. By all means get the transfer info - what exactly is it going to show you? The spending is minuscule by today's standards, you will not be able to compare it or price the players to todays market.

 

[Ch3tan]

penalty!

 

[Ch3tan]

wooooooooooooooooooooo! 1-0