Ppl getting banned for "foul" language now??

[Bracken]

generally ppl who get told to fuck off have earned it and if they didnt want to hear it they should either: cease and desist the behaviour which caused said outburst, or return /filter to its default setting.

You mean they don't subscribe to your view of the game (which is usually why people get abused) and you want to gob off at them without consequences?

 

[Bracken]

protect the bubble world

Protect people who want to gob off from the safety of behind their pcs

 

[rvn]

im not, im just saying its waste of effort to put them behind bars.

 

[Darzil]

Why is the message "Try to act like a civilised grown up reasonable person", so unreasonable ?

I'm not saying we'd all manage it all the time, but isn't it worth aiming for ?

No one is going to report anyone who gets angry, swears, and then apologises (though I did nearly have to kick someone from a group the other day, for hurling abuse at others for something unrelated to them that was annoying them. Then they apologised.).

It's the idiots who do it and think it's clever, or that if people are upset by them it's not their problem. Why is anyone defending anyone who thinks that's acceptable ?

Darzil

 

[rvn]

i can see how alot of "sneaky" abusive people would knowninly wind up people who get pissed easily, in order to get them banned, when they are assholes themself.

soon we will have a 500pages "rule" book to go by in daoc to check so you dont violate things (first with emote spams for example )

 

[Bracken]

im not, im just saying its waste of effort to put them behind bars.

They're not being put behind bars, they are being banned from a computer game because people don't want to hear their tantrums.

 

[Bubble]

What if you're roleplaying as an abusive drunk?

What if you are an abusive drunk?

 

[rvn]

then why did they have the ./ignore command from start?


anyway i think it will end up being abused more than it will be actacully usefull, + waste CSR/GM's time to handle pointless stuff

and im pretty sure they have allways banned people who repeatedly spammed others after they ignored etc.

 

[Hellsvip]

I agree in the general idea but to ban people over it seems over the top fine if it is excessive then yes but for just using a few words here and there but not going above and beyond.

I can understand if they harass people or if they go passed the filter but if they are not trying to go passed filters nor harassing then i see no reason for this.

All in all to me without the specifics it seems like a harsh justification for something that is pretty trivial.

Can i suggest that we spend an entire day following every rule to the letter and writing down how many things we would have to report, I am going to go odds on its going to require me a few sheets of paper before i can even talk to anyone else.

 

[Bracken]

I find this idea that everyone needs to be looked after like they are 10 again to be abysmal my advice create a server that can ban for foul language and let those who want that go on it, lets see how populated it is.

They aren't banned for swearing. They are banned for directing abuse at someone. The juvenile bit is believing that's ok. How you act towards other people has consequences in the real world. When you're sat behind your pc you are pretty immune from consequences - GOA are rightly now holding people accountable for how they behave.

 

[Hellsvip]

Yes most of these consequences involve people walking away and leaving it.

In the real world at work you get disciplinary actions which is normal go outside work and it gets ignored.

If everyone as as easily offended in the real world as they are in this game and forum we would be walking about in bubble wrap and wearing pink fluffy ear muffs.

Directing abuse as long as its short sharp and over with i do not care about streaming off for 5 mins fine you win completely unacceptable but i do not care about 1 outburst as thats life.

 

[rvn]

how you act on internet has consequenses too.

If someone spams me, or annoys me i simply ignore them, thats what the function is there for, i just cant see why they have to involve GMs in that.

I can see a couple of senarios where people would actacully have to explain why they threw off some swear word to the other w/o thinking about the consequenses, (you can be abusive in more than just writing in chat).

Then the other simply goes on "attack" on the other, by reporting him, instead of just sucking it up and ignoreing him.

i can see so many lamers makeing bonedancers and upsetting people, then getting them banned with this for example (and since rules are in their favor with this, even if they were just as "mentally" abusive, as the swear, if not even more - probably more they get away with it + penalty for the other person when hes letting off steam in an ineffective way)

 

[Bracken]

then why did they have the ./ignore command from start?

But you only ignore someone after they've already gobbed off. Which by then is already enough to piss you off. Why should people have to put up with someone mouthing off (with impunity) just because they are playing a computer game differently to them? Most people play the game for relaxation, often after busy days at work. They really don't have to put up with crap and it's good to see GOA acting on it.

 

[Rediknight]

Few things that seem to be overlooked constantly here, so ill make em a bit clearer:

the /ignore command is only good after the event, unless you go around comparing ignore lists with your friends.

Swearing once or twice and being reported by 1 or 2 people will NOT result in a ban - swearing excessively, bypassing the filters and swearing in open public channels frequently will.

You have to remember that GoA want you playing - if you're playin' your payin' - they won't ban someone off the weight of one or two voices complaining. If they are going to ban someone you can bet your arse that they will have logs and reams of numbers to review before they can make a decision.

GoA set the rules - you break them you risk a ban. If you go to Thailands temples you have to wear long trousers and remove your shoes before going into the temple. If you ever went there, would you stand and start bawling and whining cos you're wearing shorts and it's not fair, and it's only a few who'd actually be offended, and they're childish anyway i mean wtf harm does wearing shorts cause??

It's THE RULES. Deal with it or piss off and play CS, then you can swear at each other all day, if thats what chokes your goat...

 

[Bracken]

Yes most of these consequences involve people walking away and leaving it.

In the real world at work you get disciplinary actions which is normal go outside work and it gets ignored.

No it doesn't get ignored. If someone comes up to you down the pub and starts randomly gobbing off at you because you're drinking your pint differently to them you would twat them (atleast I and countless other people would). When they are safely sat behind their pc there are no real consequences. If banning them helps them learn to keep their toys in the pram then so be it.

 

[rvn]

But you only ignore someone after they've already gobbed off. Which by then is already enough to piss you off. Why should people have to put up with someone mouthing off (with impunity) just because they are playing a computer game differently to them? Most people play the game for relaxation, often after busy days at work. They really don't have to put up with crap and it's good to see GOA acting on it.

would just have to get 1 sentance of whine/bs, then you wont hear from that player ever again ingame, unless he really puts an effort into it, and then ofcourse its "ok" to report imo.

 

[Rediknight]

bracken, you talk too much sense to be a villa fan haha!

 

[Hellsvip]

Shocking to think a few harsh words can ruin someones day, its just water under the bridge to me as it does not affect me in the slightest.

And as i have said yes excessive use i can see the reason for it but a few stray words i can not which is what the ruling seems to be, yes if someone was harassing you bracken after you have asked to stop i believe you to be in the right, but if someone just said "fuck off" and you went right reported to me thats just pathetic.

If it went "fuck off" "Please do not swear" (added politeness to show your courteous nature) and they respond with "fuck you" and you reported i would back you 100% as you asked them not to swear or curse.

Such is life anyway and at the end of the day this ruling will effect a minority really as not many people swear excessively at others unless you know them well enough in which case your normally doing it on vent ftw.

 

[rvn]

reason why i beleave this can backfire big,

is because there are a few people who actacully enjoy playing in a certan "lame" style, specificly to harass players (within the rules of goa ofcourse), but still annoy alot of people, and play by the rules, and when they get people who whine at them, or tell them to fuck off (no not very clever to do so).

There are a couple of screenshots from certan bonedancers on camlann for example, that do everything to wind people up, and they really enjoy when people swear at them and such, and i bet they would love this change, so they can abuse the rules to get well.. stupid people banned (but imo they wouldnt really deserve a ban just for being handicaped @ handeling their emotions).

and people who chat abuse someone else regularly i find extremely rare to see, dont think ive every heard of anyone being a victim of that.

 

[Bracken]

if someone just said "fuck off" and you went right reported to me thats just pathetic.

And telling someone to fuck off because they don't subscribe to your way of playing a computer game isn't?

I think you'll find that this has come about because it happens on a regular basis from different people and the rest of us have just had enough of it. If people can't keep their mouths shut then the fact is there are now consequences.

 

[Hellsvip]

Yes the consequence is half the people guilty of doing it will just report everyone else undeserving or not.

Welcome to how it works give the rule and the people who break it will use it just as often and in the end it will affect others more than the people more infamous for it.

Personally i would rather offer a carebear server and just get on with it as at the end of the day i do not think its such a big deal to care about and if others find it so offensive then seperate them from those that do not as after all we want everyone to have fun.

 

[Bracken]

Yes the consequence is half the people guilty of doing it will just report everyone else undeserving or not.

Welcome to how it works give the rule and the people who break it will use it just as often and in the end it will affect others more than the people more infamous for it.

Personally i would rather offer a carebear server and just get on with it as at the end of the day i do not think its such a big deal to care about and if others find it so offensive then seperate them from those that do not as after all we want everyone to have fun.

It's really simple. If you don't want to get banned then keep your trap shut. If you gob off at someone then it is entirely down to you if you take a holiday from game.

As for a carebear server, I'd rather have a real life server where we all meet down the pub and the gobby twats are invited to mouth off to our faces...

 

[Hellsvip]

I would rather you were with us as well so we can just ignore you?

I rarely bother to swear at anyone much less people that i do not really care about if you get so upset at it i am sure there are plenty of other ways to spoil your day that most people do without realising it.

As for the pub sure i do not mind real life meets in the least since i am generally not going to pick a fight if you want to pick one feel free as it would make no difference to me. :worthy:

 

[Tilda]

Konah banned for yelling ENDO FFS YOU RETARD!

Classic

 

[Infanity]

Foul language = swearing etc.

Telling someone to die irl = Perma ban ?

 

[Iceforge]

Yes the consequence is half the people guilty of doing it will just report everyone else undeserving or not.

Welcome to how it works give the rule and the people who break it will use it just as often and in the end it will affect others more than the people more infamous for it.

Personally i would rather offer a carebear server and just get on with it as at the end of the day i do not think its such a big deal to care about and if others find it so offensive then seperate them from those that do not as after all we want everyone to have fun.

Why should those behaving nicely have to call it "quits" and go for a new server?

If there should be a new server, make one for all those who WANT to be able to cast abuse in every direction, those who are ruining it for the others, not the other way around, and they wouldn't go, as nobody would like to do a ML raid where nobody listened and just said "fuck you" whenever someone lead anything in another way than they wanted...

And as said, GOA banning is the restriction and fear that people need to act politely, the reason why you don't see a lot of people being mugged down IRL is because they don't act IRL as they do online, they abuse the safety and anonimity (sp?) of being online, to do things that 99% of them would not dare do IRL, maybe fear of being banned from the game will make them act right

 

[rvn]

or it will just make a few quit, in an allready lowpopulated game.

and i think majority are not very bothered with written "abuse", they either respond in kind or ignore. personally i allways ignore,

 

[Hellsvip]

I act as i do i am generally not abusive to anyone in particular but dont get offended by it, but nor am i afraid to speak my mind in game or real life The real life meet in the pub would suit me fine according to bracken i would still not react as i would be too happy drinking pints to deal with any emotional trauma caused by a few nasty words.

As for moving well i would mean have all characters imported across either way all those who want to swear import to new server and those who cant stand it stay or vice versa makes no odds really.

 

[Corran]

Tbh im in trouble..

/as and /gu is full of me swearing half the time... people normally just laugh at me though

 

[Rediknight]

Yes the consequence is half the people guilty of doing it will just report everyone else undeserving or not.

Welcome to how it works give the rule and the people who break it will use it just as often and in the end it will affect others more than the people more infamous for it.

Personally i would rather offer a carebear server and just get on with it as at the end of the day i do not think its such a big deal to care about and if others find it so offensive then seperate them from those that do not as after all we want everyone to have fun.

and once again i'll say it - GoA won't ban you from the word of one person - if someone keeps reporting another player for abuse/swearing/spamming/griefing whatever, there will be no action until logs have been consulted otherwise the lunatics are runnin the asylum.

Reporting someone is just our opportunity to highlight an issue, it's not an insta-punishment button.