Possible Friar bug?

[Rumble]

Ok here's the beef, a completely unbuffed lvl 44 Friar attacks grey con mob with Friars Boon style for 507. She cast's Gracefulness which increases her dex/con by 57 and now Friars Boon style hits for 483. Also all other styles show a reduction in damage.

Now unstyled she hits for 338 with or without Gracefulness.

Any ideas why there is a damage reduction when casting Gracefulness and using attack styles?

Oh and could the Fluidity users do a check as well please

 

[phas3]

does he die at first blow?
if so, then it doesnt matter because u dont know its lvl.
is there any (-+<dmg>) also?

 

[old.linnet]

Is that a dex/con buff, or dex/quickness?

If you buffed your quickness, then you will hit more frequently but with the same DPS as normal, so each hit will appear to do less damage (but over time, it will add up to the same)

 

[old.Jeriraa]

In Midgard the game says DEX/CON but the buff is infact a DEX/QUICK. If you got the same glitch in Albion read one post above.

Btw DEX does not affect your damage cap. But higher dex will bring you closer to your damage cap when fighting mobs or players you don't kill in one blow.

 

[erl]

As stated, the problem is that your quickness increases. When you get higher quickness your base damage will be the same but you will hit faster. Your style damage though will be less _per hit_ but stay the same _over time_. That is why you see a lower damage cap styled against grey mobs and the same cap unstyled.

 

[Rumble]

does he die at first blow?
if so, then it doesnt matter because u dont know its lvl.
is there any (-+<dmg> ) also?

Yes it dies on the first blow, yes there is - + dmg on different mobs, this effect is not mob specific and works on all grey cons.

Is that a dex/con buff, or dex/quickness?

Ok this is where Mythic gets confusing, according to websites and the Camelot Herald itself Friars have a dex/qui buff but delving the buff information within the game shows the buff as a dex/con so theres a typo there waiting to be fixed. I originally should have stated it as a dex/quick.

I think I understand the damage over time now but its all mighty confusing at times

Linnet, Jeriraa, erl thanks for the replies it all becomes clear now.

A combination of confusing game engine, in game typo's and lack of information all added up to a confused Friar

You would think with all the money Mythic are making they would have tightened quality control.

 

[oldnick]

So what everyone is saying is ..theres no point being buffed cos you gonna do the same amount of damage whether your buffed or not ?

i.e 500 damge in 5 blows in 25 secs or 500 damage in 7 blows in 25 seconds

?? confused

Nick

 

[erl]

Originally posted by oldnick
So what everyone is saying is ..theres no point being buffed cos you gonna do the same amount of damage whether your buffed or not ?

i.e 500 damge in 5 blows in 25 secs or 500 damage in 7 blows in 25 seconds

?? confused

Nick

Not true. In the Friars case there is every reason to be buffed. The dex part of the buff increases weapon skill and thus avarage damage (note that cap damage which you see against lowcon mobs stay the same, but that doesn't matter in the real world).

As I stated above, the quickness part of the buff (it is dex/qui, all dex/qui buffs delve wrong as dex/con <slap mythic>) lowers the swing time with the same base damage per swing, but with lower style-damage per swing, _but_ the same style damage _over time_. So increasing your quickness this way will make you damage overall higher.

 

[Sharma]

Originally posted by erl
So increasing your quickness this way will make you damage overall higher.

<cheers>

ph34r my 190 Quickness

 

[Traia]

Friars suck anyway

Traia

 

[stu]

Increasing Qui causes individual swings to do slightly less damage, but you will over all do MORE damage over time, not the same amount. Classes that rely on 2 or 3 uberhits (eg Zerker) should have very low Quickness, because it increases frontloaded damage to swing slower. Skirmishers (eg Rangers) benefit greatly from increased Quickness. The rest of us fall somewhere in between.

 

[erl]

Originally posted by stu
Increasing Qui causes individual swings to do slightly less damage, but you will over all do MORE damage over time, not the same amount.

Who said it would do the same amount?

 

[old.willowywicca]

http://forums.barrysworld.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=41359

for the same qui discussion..

anyways for the sumarised version:
qui affects bonus style damage, qui does NOT affect base damage. if you are using unstyled attacks you do far far more dmg over time with higher qui. if you are using styles you do a lot less damage per hit (but prob about equalish damage over time) with high qui.

You run out of end after having done less damage with high qui (ie you have done 1000 dmg in 10 seconds and are out of end, where as with lower qui you'd do 1500 dmg when you run out of end, but that wouldn't have been until 20 secs are up -- overall your damage should still be higher with high qui)

 

[Traia]

Endurance doesnt matter for a friar really, so, is high quickness worth it? I like it, but them im a speed freak, I go with 222 quickness self buffed.

 

[old.Mitsu]

I think one of the strong points of a friar is the fast attacks.
Attacking every 1.6 sec with haste on is great.