Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Ormorof]

They're going to have to spin up the old 'it's the remoaners fault!' bandwagon soon.

They undermined the negotiations by pointing out reality

 

[Ormorof]

Eurostar might go tits up. Don't really understand why they are begging for a British bailout since majority of share is owned by French national rail carrier and Belgian state railway.

 

[DaGaffer]

Eurostar might go tits up. Don't really understand why they are begging for a British bailout since majority of share is owned by French national rail carrier and Belgian state railway.

They're probably asking the other countries as well.

 

[Raven]

Hopefully as a percentage of ownership, no reason or obligation for the UK to bail out foreign companies, whether we like it or not, that is exactly what they are now.


Brexit is only a tiny part of Eurostar's problems, lack of passengers due to COVID-19 is.

 

[Scouse]

Let them go bust. Buy the company at pence. When covid goes away there's a profitable business at pence.

Workers lose out (we always do) but significantly shareholders take the loss - like they should have with banks.

 

[Embattle]

Eurostar warns of 'risk to survival' without government help

The cross-Channel train service has seen a 95% fall in passengers during the Covid-19 pandemic

www.theguardian.com

Eurostar was “not asking for special treatment” they said, but access to the same help as companies in similar positions had received, such as business rates relief and loans.

“Safeguarding the future of this connection to the continent should be a symbol of both our desire to build back better and our new cooperative relationship with our European neighbours,” the letter continued, adding: “If this viable business is allowed to fall between the cracks of support – our recovery could be damaged.”

Eurostar is majority-owned by the French state railway, SNCF, but is thought to have exhausted options for governmental assistance from Paris. The franchised UK train operators that have been bailed out under emergency agreements since the coronavirus pandemic began – at a cost of £8bn this financial year – are also largely owned or co-owned by foreign state rail operators.

 

[Scouse]

so the french won't pay for the thing they own, and want the brits to.

 

[Ormorof]

Its the classic privatize profits, nationalise losses scheme it seems

 

[Raven]

so the french won't pay for the thing they own, and want the brits to.

Should ask the French to bail out British Steel in return, see how far we get.

 

[Gwadien]

so the french won't pay for the thing they own, and want the brits to.

Probs because they know a bunch of Tory donors are invested and everyone knows we'd rather see children starve than let a Tory donor down.

 

[DaGaffer]

so the french won't pay for the thing they own, and want the brits to.

The French are already bailing out SNCF, so I assume the logic against bailing out Eurostar separately is that its a double dip.

Then it comes down to the question of whether Eurostar is more important to UK business than it is to French, Belgian and Dutch business? I honestly have no idea, but I'm guessing that like Brexit itself, each of those countries is individually less exposed, even if the overall exposure is the same as for the UK.

 

[Job]

Well someones going to have to bail it out because the stupid fucking HS2 is supposed to be an extension of it.
I guess that was quietly dropped years ago though.

 

[caLLous]

Tonnes of meat rotting at the border due to Brexit red tape

British meat exporters joined fishermen yesterday to warn that their exports to Europe were being crippled by post-Brexit customs red tape.In the past two weeks

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[Scouse]

Well done those of you who voted Brexit:

Business secretary confirms post-Brexit review of UK workers' rights

Kwasi Kwarteng says his department is examining EU protections but insists they will not be watered down

www.theguardian.com

 

[Yoni]

Not really a surprise though is it?

 

[Scouse]

Not really a surprise though is it?

Nope. But there are people on here who said that was a load of scaremongerimg shit.

 

[Scouse]

Oooh. Two facepalms from @Embattle.

To be fair, you did come to mind. I guess it's easier to emote than admit you were wrong all along.

 

[Job]

Yoni said:
Not really a surprise though is it?

Nope. But there are people on here who said that was a load of scaremongerimg shit.

Which is exactly what the Guardian are doing.

 

[Gwadien]

Yoni said:
Not really a surprise though is it?

Nope. But there are people on here who said that was a load of scaremongerimg shit.

Which is exactly what the Guardian are doing.

What are you suggesting, that our current Government may actually improve workers' rights?

 

[Job]

The Hong Kong migrants fleeing to start new lives in the UK

A new visa will give 5.4m Hong Kong residents the right to resettle in Britain. How many will leave?

www.bbc.co.uk

Well this has a million outcomes

 

[dysfunction]

The Hong Kong migrants fleeing to start new lives in the UK

A new visa will give 5.4m Hong Kong residents the right to resettle in Britain. How many will leave?

www.bbc.co.uk

Well this has a million outcomes

Name 3 of them

 

[Job]

Sum ting Wong...
Oh you mean the scenarios.

Ww3
Black people find out chinese people hate them
I become number one superguy.

 

[Gwadien]

Sum ting Wong...
Oh you mean the scenarios.

Ww3
Black people find out chinese people hate them
I become number one superguy.

Pathetic.

 

[Raven]

Sum ting Wong...
Oh you mean the scenarios.

Ww3
Black people find out chinese people hate them
I become number one superguy.

Silly little racist. You're a relic of the past.

 

[caLLous]

Tory MPs rip out NHS protections from trade bill

Concerns trade deal with US could open up UK health market

www.independent.co.uk

"We don't need to add guarantees that the NHS won't be sold because we're totally not going to sell the NHS lol".

 

[Scouse]

Tory MPs rip out NHS protections from trade bill

Concerns trade deal with US could open up UK health market

www.independent.co.uk

"We don't need to add guarantees that the NHS won't be sold because we're totally not going to sell the NHS lol".

in a vote on Tuesday night MPs rejected the amendment by 357 votes to 266, with no Tory MPs backing the motion. The governing party's MPs were the only ones to vote against the protections

@Embattle?

 

[Raven]

Tories, being Tory.

 

[Gwadien]

Sense facepalms, I do.

 

[caLLous]

@Embattle?

Our Tories and our Leave voters (let's face it, that Venn diagram is a circle) have gone very quiet recently.

 

[Embattle]

Because nothing has actually changed yet despite all the drivel a lot of you post, if it does then the country can do what I said a long while ago which is elect someone else.

I'm sure I might post something again after another couple of pages of whining.