Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Gwadien]

Because nothing has actually changed yet despite all the drivel a lot of you post, if it does then the country can do what I said a long while ago which is elect someone else.

I'm sure I might post something again after another couple of pages of whining.

What needs to change? The actual selling off of the NHS? Because I'm fairly sure we won't be able to buy it back...

 

[Scouse]

Because nothing has actually changed yet

19 days into the new world and the Tories are weakening worker protection and have taken a one party vote to deny the NHS protection.

How much change (smoke) do you need to see before you realise the fire is burning?

 

[Scouse]

What needs to change? The actual selling off of the NHS? Because I'm fairly sure we won't be able to buy it back...

Yep. We can vote all we like but once contracts have been signed it's too late.

:slow clap:

 

[Gwadien]

19 days into the new world and the Tories are weakening worker protection and have taken a one party vote to deny the NHS protection.

How much change (smoke) do you need to see before you realise the fire is burning?

They also voted down a proposed amendment to trade deals where the high courts can intervene and block trade deals if the other country is engaged in genocide.

 

[caLLous]

Presumably that only applies if the genocide is specific and limited.

 

[caLLous]

"nothing has actually changed yet"

Anger builds among manufacturers as EU customers cancel orders due to Brexit red tape

Government taking days to respond to queries, say stuggling businesses

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Raven]

The government aren't doing anything, their advice, what little of it there is, is complete bullshit.

 

[caLLous]

"nothing has actually changed yet"

Brexit: 'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat'

Shoppers buying items from Europe now have to pay customs or VAT charges on those above a certain value.

www.bbc.com

 

[Raven]

The vat for large businesses isn't a massive problem in the long run but it's going to cause cash flow issues for a lot of small businesses

 

[Gwadien]

The vat for large businesses isn't a massive problem in the long run but it's going to cause cash flow issues for a lot of small businesses

I think it's an immediate problem for both now lots of people are rejecting deliveries when they get charged.

 

[Rubber Bullets]

"nothing has actually changed yet"

Brexit: 'I was asked to pay an extra £82 for my £200 coat'

Shoppers buying items from Europe now have to pay customs or VAT charges on those above a certain value.

www.bbc.com

I almost got caught out by this. A guitar I've been coveting for a while showed up with what looked like a big discount on a site I've used a couple of times, it's in Germany, but they have a British customer care centre. When I put it into my basket a message did briefly pop up mentioning vat, but I can imagine people missing it.

I would have ended up paying an extra 22.5% on top of what I thought I was paying, 20%vat and 2.5% handling fee for the courier.

I didn't buy it.

 

[Wij]

Nice


View: https://twitter.com/JohnOBrennan2/status/1352399436299857920

 

[Job]

So..let me see...
Theyve introduced charges to penalise British people buying EU goods.

Well theres a win.

 

[Raven]

So..let me see...
Theyve introduced charges to penalise British people buying EU goods.

Well theres a win.

You mean VAT and duty? You do understand how VAT/duty works within the EU....right?

Same as ordering from America now.

 

[Scouse]

So..let me see...
Theyve introduced charges to penalise British people buying EU goods.

Well theres a win.

No. For those outside the EU there are always and have always been charges and taxes - in the same way as if you buy from America. That's one of the points of being in the EU.

What did you expect?

 

[Ormorof]

So..let me see...
Theyve introduced charges to penalise British people buying EU goods.

Well theres a win.

This was brought up multiple times, one these very boards and your response then was to wave it off and declare "of course they wont we are Britain! Germans need us"

Its a huge win for EU businesses that supply the same things but now are roughly 20% more competitive

 

[DaGaffer]

I now have to use amazon.de for anything over €120. I've also noticed Amazon.de is quite a lot cheaper than co.uk, even without the VAT issues, which was a bit of a surprise.

 

[Yoni]

I have been using amazon.de for years as I have found the UK one to be quite unreliable on delivery dates... and yes they are a shit load cheaper

 

[Raven]

Genuine question, but why would someone in Sweden use UK Amazon at all?

Most of our work is with Amazon these days (my line of business is putting in the loading bays) and assumed they were building on the same scale in other Euro countries too? I know there is a lot going on in ROI atm.

 

[Ormorof]

I have been using amazon.de for years as I have found the UK one to be quite unreliable on delivery dates... and yes they are a shit load cheaper

Not using .se yet? Last i checked they don't ship to Finland so still stuck with .de

 

[Ormorof]

As a fun anecdote they were translating the names of games, was quite funny

 

[Job]

Ive never bought a thing off Amazon, they just dont have the range of products and seem more expensive.
Maybe because I tend to buy more obscure things like bluetooth sinewave 75v ebike controllers.
There will be loads on ebay, maybe one or two on Amazon at twice the price.

 

[Raven]

Are you sure you're not just spelling it wrong on the Amazon website? I know they are pretty good at working out spelling mistakes, but this is you we are talking about...


View: https://www.amazon.co.uk/s?k=sine+wave+75v+controller&ref=nb_sb_noss

bluetooth sinewave 75v ebike controllers | eBay

Find great deals on eBay for bluetooth sinewave 75v ebike controllers. Shop with confidence.

www.ebay.co.uk

 

[Yoni]

Genuine question, but why would someone in Sweden use UK Amazon at all?

Most of our work is with Amazon these days (my line of business is putting in the loading bays) and assumed they were building on the same scale in other Euro countries too? I know there is a lot going on in ROI atm.

Originally it was what I knew and then I learnt better.... Amazon Sweden has only been in place for a few months.

 

[Wij]

View: https://twitter.com/1CheshireCheese/status/1352534850142687232

 

[Scouse]

Wow.

That's an absolute clusterfuck if true. They cannot sell cheese into the EU - not just they have a few barriers, but they cannot sell it.

But I'm not sure I fully believe them. Cannot sell to online customers? Or it's bloody expensive and hits their bottom line. What about brexit means that online stores can't sell overseas?

 

[dysfunction]

Wow.

That's an absolute clusterfuck if true. They cannot sell cheese into the EU - not just they have a few barriers, but they cannot sell it.

But I'm not sure I fully believe them. Cannot sell to online customers? Or it's bloody expensive and hits their bottom line. What about brexit means that online stores can't sell overseas?

It appears he has to provide a "£180 health certificate on retail orders to consumers in the EU" but EU producers do not have to do the same. Some sort of exemption oversight.

Cheshire cheesemaker says business left with £250,000 'Brexit hole'

Simon Spurrell says his firm lost 20% of sales and will switch £1m investment to France

www.theguardian.com

 

[dysfunction]

And the UK being classy again:

UK accused of 'petty' behaviour in EU diplomat row

Ex-ministers have criticised the UK for downgrading the diplomatic status of the EU's ambassador.

www.bbc.co.uk

Oh and this is just crazy:

Brexit: Retailers warn they could burn goods stuck in EU

UK retailers may abandon goods EU customers want to return because it is cheaper than bringing them home.

www.bbc.co.uk

What a wonderful trade agreement that was drawn up. not

 

[Scouse]

British firms!

Are you struggling with Brexit? Do you want to avoid taxes and charges and sidestep any import export issues?

Well setup shop in Europe! The golden land of opportunity and adventure!

Take your business and jobs out of the UK. Pay your taxes elsewhere.

- UK government advice.

 

[Wij]

Fucking joke init.