Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[MrHorus]

Considering the full scale media/comedy and establishment hatchet job on brexit and leavers , it hardly comes as a surprise does it.
Actually its only the continuing daily EU fuck ups that are keeping brexit up there.

Its quite simply disgusting the way remainers are treating leavers and the way the media has colluded to paint a picture without any redress that leavers are racist nazis and this will not be forgotten for a LONG time.
When was the last anti EU pro brexit documentary/comedy on TV on any channel?

The left have toxified the debate, its very effective...well in public, it kinda fucks up when people actually start voting, how easy it is to march against Brexit,.
'Oh I saw you on TV Tarquin, loved your placard', such a good cause, we'll bring it up in the next team meet.

I see you were marching for Brexit...hmmm, do you think your values line up with company policy?

Perhaps they shouldn’t have been promising shite they couldn’t possibly deliver?

Who knew that promising all things to all people would turn out badly?

Fuck me is it embarrassing watching this absolute shit show from abroad.

 

[Job]

One of the campaigns promised money for the NHS, tbh thats very doable, seeing as how small an amount it really is.
What else did they promise that cant feasibly be done in a free country?

 

[Gwadien]

One of the campaigns promised money for the NHS, tbh thats very doable, seeing as how small an amount it really is.
What else did they promise that cant feasibly be done in a free country?

I think the point is that it wouldn't, definitely not under a Tory Government.

Where's that better town fund thing vs Eu funding graph?

 

[caLLous]

One of the campaigns promised money for the NHS, tbh thats very doable, seeing as how small an amount it really is.
What else did they promise that cant feasibly be done in a free country?

Vote Leave’s lying Facebook ads look even worse 2 years on

It was £350m a week for the NHS. That's not "a small amount" or "doable" to any nation.

 

[Job]

Well no, not without taking it back somewhere else.
And if thats a surprise to you, then maybe you should hand your voting rights in.

 

[Job]

Vote Leave’s lying Facebook ads look even worse 2 years on

It was £350m a week for the NHS. That's not "a small amount" or "doable" to any nation.

We give that to the EU now.

 

[Job]

Vote Leave’s lying Facebook ads look even worse 2 years on

It was £350m a week for the NHS. That's not "a small amount" or "doable" to any nation.

4 examples and three of them are technically true, but obviously unlikely .
The Turkey one winds me right up, they wanted to join and the EU wanted them to join, it was only massive obstruction from the populace that stalled the talks and it all went tits up after ergo went batshit conservative.
The EU was hoping the coup would succeed and Id love to see an investigation into EU involvement in that one.

 

[caLLous]

We give that to the EU now.

That's simply not true and I can't fucking believe that you still think it is. Read.

 

[Job]

We give it to them....

Its Brussels who decides who it goes to.
If its such a simple here you go..and I'll have that back thanks.

Whats the fucking point of giving it in the first place?
Keeping someone in a job?

 

[Job]

In other news, browsing thexwebsite does pull up some of the remain media bullshit stories we have to put up with.

Has there been a ‘Brexodus’ of EU citizens since the referendum?

 

[caLLous]

I think you should read more than just the first few lines of that, or maybe just jump to the section "The number of EU workers in the UK has started to fall".

 

[Ormorof]

its your loss, already made some good hires of people leaving Brexit shitshow

 

[Gwadien]

I quite like the idea of a Turkey becoming a 'Western democracy', obviously they've fucked it up by getting Erdogan, but I'd say Hungary has gone more bat shit

 

[caLLous]

Thread by @Nealb2010: "So how did vote leave cheat? What was this extra money spent on and can it be justified? Ah I didn't fall for any of that, I hear you say.. […]"

 

[Job]

Im not inyerested.
Stay got a free tax payer funded leafet to every door.

 

[caLLous]

Im not inyerested.
Stay got a free tax payer funded leafet to every door.

Weird. You seemed pretty inyerested when you thought you had a point.

 

[Wij]

We give that to the EU now.

No we don’t. That’s a gross figure before rebate which doesn’t count what comes back to our poor areas and even then there’s 28 agencies we’d have to make our own equivalent of rather than doing it together and dividing the cost.

But we’ve said this endlessly...

 

[MrHorus]

The Turkey one winds me right up, they wanted to join and the EU wanted them to join, it was only massive obstruction from the populace that stalled the talks and it all went tits up after ergo went batshit conservative.

Nonsense.

Joining the EU requires unanimous agreement of an accession treaty and if the UK didn’t want Turkey to join, the British Government could have vetoed that treaty all day long.

There was absolutely no danger that Turkey was joining the EU whatsoever, and only people ignorant of how the EU worked (lol) would ever have believed otherwise.

Anyone who thought that Turkey was ever joining the EU was lied to, plain and simple.

 

[DaGaffer]

Nonsense.

Joining the EU requires unanimous agreement of an accession treaty and if the UK didn’t want Turkey to join, the British Government could have vetoed that treaty all day long.

There was absolutely no danger that Turkey was joining the EU whatsoever, and only people ignorant of how the EU worked (lol) would ever have believed otherwise.

Anyone who thought that Turkey was ever joining the EU was lied to, plain and simple.

It was actually the British Government that was the biggest advocate of Turkish accession (The Right Hon Boris Johnson was a big fan). It would have been stopped by the Eastern Europeans, not UKGov. But hey, evil EU, blah, blah,blah.

 

[caLLous]

You don't have to go far back in Johnson's family tree to find Turkishness.

Anyway, the gov has responded to that petition in an absolutely predictable way.

"This Government will not revoke Article 50. We will honour the result of the 2016 referendum and work with Parliament to deliver a deal that ensures we leave the European Union.

It remains the Government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.

Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.

The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government.

British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.

This Government stands by this commitment.

Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.

Department for Exiting the European Union."

 

[Scouse]

It was actually the British Government that was the biggest advocate of Turkish accession (The Right Hon Boris Johnson was a big fan). It would have been stopped by the Eastern Europeans, not UKGov. But hey, evil EU, blah, blah,blah.

All this has been said to @Job a fucking billion times in the past two years.

He can't actually read.

 

[Gwadien]

As the Prime Minister has said, failing to resign would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.

fixed

 

[Job]

All this has been said to @Job a fucking billion times in the past two years.

He can't actually read.

Will you stop mixing up what the establishment wants and what the people want, if the government had their way we would be in the Euro and the EU,.

 

[Job]

It was actually the British Government that was the biggest advocate of Turkish accession (The Right Hon Boris Johnson was a big fan). It would have been stopped by the Eastern Europeans, not UKGov. But hey, evil EU, blah, blah,blah.

Because Turkey is a counyry split between a conservative older generation and a secular, western leaning younger generation.
It would seem a good idea to let them join the EU, to help tip it over to the West.
Of course because that also meant full European access to the muslim anti liberal half as well, people balked.
In a glorious show of true Islamaphobia..sanctioned by the people and the establishment.

 

[DaGaffer]

Because Turkey is a counyry split between a conservative older generation and a secular, western leaning younger generation.
It would seem a good idea to let them join the EU, to help tip it over to the West.
Of course because that also meant full European access to the muslim anti liberal half as well, people balked.
In a glorious show of true Islamaphobia..sanctioned by the people and the establishment.

I think you're missing the point. Successive British governments have pushed for EU expansion, including Turkey, the Tory Leave campaigners (particularly Boris) changed their tune only when the polls told them to use the anti-immigration card. They give no shits about the views of the population (and hold them in contempt) except in order to get themselves elected. These people are going to be running post-Brexit Britain (because let's face it, what's the alternative?) and they are not on your side. They are on their side and always will be.

 

[Job]

Thats not an issue, we have a little thing called voting.

Im happy to be run by assholes, as long as they are our assholes and we can vote them in and out directly as a country.
If more people disagree with me I have to put up with it and visa versa.

Turning the EU is like turning a container ship with half a spoon.

 

[Scouse]

if the government had their way we would be in the Euro and the EU,.

Had their chance and our government made sure we weren't in the Euro

Will you stop mixing up what the establishment wants and what the people want

We can't say what "the people" want because our referendum was meaningless. Hence my five-point referendum (which included a hard brexit option) - that you had the meltdown over.

Stop thinking that what the people want, and what YOU want are remotely the same thing. It's very likely that you're the tiny minority of what anyone wants @Job.

 

[Job]

We can't say what "the people" want because our referendum was meaningless.

You cant really go on to opinionate what the people want after that can you.

 

[Gwadien]

We can't say what "the people" want because our referendum was meaningless.

You cant really go on to opinionate what the people want after that can you.

That's because what was voted for isn't going to happen.

If you're so confident that a no-deal brexit is what the public wants, then why are you so afraid of another referendum?

 

[Scouse]

We can't say what "the people" want because our referendum was meaningless.

You cant really go on to opinionate what the people want after that can you.

I haven't - I've said we should have a referendum that actually shows exactly what the people want. - remember your meltdown?

But you are clearly in a minority in pretty much most things you say. Even on this board you're the guy that people apologise for agreeing with on the rare occasion that it happens. It's easy to state that what YOU want is far from mainstream.