Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Scouse]

Interesting viewpoint by ex head of the WTO.

 

[Gwadien]

Interesting viewpoint by ex head of the WTO.

WTO, Liberal Elite Organisation.

Don't even.

 

[Deebs]

Wow, nearly 2000 signatures a minute.


View: https://twitter.com/HoCpetitions/status/1108711303865139202

 

[Scouse]

Is it? So which version of Remain will that result in? Current relationship with veto, full integration with Schengen/Euro?

Basicslly, everything stops and we keep what we currently have.

In this climate? Win.

 

[Deebs]

Basicslly, everything stops and we keep what we currently have.

In this climate? Win.

No it is not a win not without a new law(s) which means the Government/Parliament will hold referendums when dealing with new treaties or changes to existing treaties. That is why we are in this mess. Consult the population on major changes.

 

[Scouse]

No it is not a win not without a new law(s) which means the Government/Parliament will hold referendums when dealing with new treaties or changes to existing treaties. That is why we are in this mess. Consult the population on major changes.

I get it. The EU needs reform and perhaps we shouldn't be signing up to treaties by letting our elected politicians represent us.

But then, you're labouring under the impression we live in a democracy, rather than under technocratic rule. So, in the current climate, what's economically advantageous for Britain is the most expedient end.

 

[Wij]

No it is not a win not without a new law(s) which means the Government/Parliament will hold referendums when dealing with new treaties or changes to existing treaties. That is why we are in this mess. Consult the population on major changes.

That's already the law:

European Union Act 2011

 

[Deebs]

That's already the law:

European Union Act 2011

Ooh thanks @Wij.

 

[Wij]

More votes from Russia than it normally takes to set Wij off

Yes I’m just a nutter:

The trolls are winning, says Russian troll hunter

 

[Wij]

Hmmm, colour me completed shocked:


View: https://twitter.com/HughRBennett/status/1108682038184419328

You do know you can go to 4chan and watch the trolls doing it to try to delegitimise it. Go have a look. Hugh probably got a tip off. Right wing trolls gonna right wing troll.

 

[Job]

It doesnt need deligitamising..it is legitimate, everyone knows how half the country feels.

 

[Job]

Interesting viewpoint by ex head of the WTO.

I find it hilarious that the ex head of the WTO thinks that trading via the rules of the organisation he fronted for years is financial suicide.
It doesnt say much for globalisation does it.
Lets have a worldwide trade mechanism
Holy fuck no, its shit, do your own.

 

[Scouse]

I find it hilarious that the ex head of the WTO thinks that trading via the rules of the organisation he fronted for years is financial suicide.
It doesnt say much for globalisation does it.
Lets have a worldwide trade mechanism
Holy fuck no, its shit, do your own.

Jeesus.

It's financial suicide compared to staying in the EU.

It's not new info for you Job. The WTO is the *fallback* - the shit version that allows us to trade. But the EU rules are a billion times better.

The WTO rules are like being on the dole, and the EU rules are like having a job.

Dole is better than nothing, job is better than dole.

And that is the assessment of the ex head of the WTO - so he knows what he's talking about.

Do you get that yet?

 

[Job]

Its such a multi level pile of bullshit, the EU is simply a protectionism zone, all we hear is globalisation and open borders..free trade.
But the EU only wants that in its club under its control, freedom of movement...in our gang.
Not in a million years will we fall back onto these trade deals that dont have cosy club benefits, we will arrange deals that are better, because apparently WTO is a punishment for not being in a club.
How does any of this line up with the ideals of the globalists?

 

[Scouse]

Its such a multi level pile of bullshit, the EU is simply a protectionism zone, all we hear is globalisation and open borders..free trade.
But the EU only wants that in its club under its control, freedom of movement...in our gang.

Not simply a protectionism zone. A protectionism zone that requires minimum standards for people to be able to trade with it.

It's the rich kids calling the shots and making a decent fist of it. And you're a fucking idiot for thinking it was anything else.

And you want to put us in the no-friend zone.

we will arrange deals that are better

HOW?

The money and goods are in the EU. We've got the best deal possible with them *right now*. We're part of the club.

How deranged do you have to be to think that leaving the rich club leaves you with anything other than cast-off seconds?

How does any of this line up with the ideals of the globalists?

The WORLD Trade Organisation, geddit?

Global trade. But if you can make a better fist of it (the EU) then feel free - if it goes wrong you can fall back on WTO rules.

Nobody thought that anyone in their right mind would want to trade on the WTO rules tho. They thought "great, people'll do the obvious thing - organise themselves into trading blocs - because they'd be fucking stupid not to"...

 

[Job]

Not standards ..thats itrelevent and we wrote most of them anyway, because they are sensible, but social engineering rules...a trading bloc in full political ideology mode.

And its turning to shit for them.

 

[Gwadien]

Not standards but social engineering rules...a trading bloc in full political ideology mode.

And its turning to shit for them.

If it was in full political ideology mode, wouldn't every European nation have pretty much the same political party in charge with the same policies?

 

[Scouse]

Not standards but social engineering rules...

And its turning to shit for them.

Yes standards. Standards we had a hand in writing, but standards nonetheless.

It may be turning shit for them - but we're making sure that, economically, it's a giant sack of wank for us.

 

[Job]

They have put in rules to ensure everyone complies.
Poland is in the sin bin and Hungary is about to be kicked out of the process.
As for Greece..they just flat regime changed them.

But the next elections will be the beginning of the end for the EUs present path .

 

[Scouse]

They have put in rules to ensure everyone complies.
Poland is in the sin bin and Hungary is about to be kicked out of the process.
As for Greece..they just flat regime changed them.

WE wrote those rules, you fucking idiot.

Yes. I get it. You hate the EU. Blindly and to the exclusion of any other argument.

You've got nothing on trade - because undoubtedly we'll be worse off. We're in the club, but we're leaving. And you give no shit, so you're waffling on about something else. Even though the rules that the EU are using are the rules we wrote.

But the next elections will be the beginning of the end for the EUs present path .

And, at least economically (and probably as a global power), Brexit is the end of ours.

Which is going to get here first I wonder*?





*no, I don't wonder. Brand "Britain" is severely damaged already.

 

[Job]

When you say we wrote them.

Thats our EU supporting political system, we have just voted against that, I think everyone accepts that the Brexit vote flew in the face of the establishment.
Half the country and a huge chunk of the political class of the UK are happy to keep their noses in the trough.
Brexit was not about the money, it was xenophobia, distrust of the EUs motives and a good chunk of letting in Turkey talk.

 

[Scouse]

Brexit was not about the money, it was xenophobia, distrust of the EUs motives and a good chunk of letting in Turkey talk.

Roll up! Roll up! Here you go folks!

Out of the horses mouth: Brexit was about paranoid racism!

 

[Wij]

Anyway, putting aside the issue of trying to get Job to understand the point of the single market and customs union, which is a bit like trying to teach a fish to moonwalk...

2 million signatures, despite being down half the day.

 

[Job]

Its not racism for starters.
But anyway its not Paranoia because everything brexiters were concerned about is or was true.
It was only Ergodan going batshit right wing and winning the coup that stopped the EU signing them up.
Everything else?
Nailed it.
Yes 80 million muslims with a free shack up in the UK pass was a deciding factor.

 

[Scouse]

2 million signatures, despite being down half the day.

Nice. But if Labour can ignore 2.5 million people actually getting off their arses and marching on the capital to stop a war, they can certainly ignore a couple of million internet warriors...

 

[Scouse]

Its not racism for starters.
But anyway its not Paranoia because everything brexiters were concerned about is or was true.
It was only Ergodan going batshit right wing and winning the coup that stopped the EU signing them up.
Everything else?
Nailed it.
Yes 80 million muslims with a free shack up in the UK pass was a deciding factor.

Wasn't ever going to happen. As has been said a fuckload of times.

 

[Job]

Anyway, putting aside the issue of trying to get Job to understand the point of the single market and customs union, which is a bit like trying to teach a fish to moonwalk...

2 million signatures, despite being down half the day.

I do understand the goddam point of it I just dont want the social engineering we have to agree to to have it..and fuck it anyway when its end goal is an EU empire to stay with the big boys.

 

[Job]

Wasn't ever going to happen. As has been said a fuckload of times.

Thats very easy to say in hindsight, I can guarantee when Ergo goes the EU will be the first there with a golden invite.

 

[Wij]

Thats very easy to say in hindsight, I can guarantee when Ergo goes the EU will be the first there with a golden invite.

How many times to you need to be told you are wrong?

 

[Deebs]

@Wij Perhaps you can help me understand something.

By law we leave the EU on 29th March, 11pm. After yesterday's humilation the EU has decided to offer 2 further leave dates. Does the existing law to leave have a clause or something which automatically moves the date or do the MPs have to pass new laws?