Politics POLL: Brexit Withdrawal Agreement

[Gwadien]

Do the people choosing the next PM think like you?

This is what I mean.


Well done peasants, you're all sufficiently distracted not to realise that the richer are getting richer and the poorer are getting poorer.

 

[Job]

All gone quiet on the Dalai Lama front.

Hes suddenly gone right off message and been dropped like a stone.

View: https://youtu.be/Y-iHx-toZb0

 

[Gwadien]

All gone quiet on the Dalai Lama front.

Hes suddenly gone right off message and been dropped like a stone.

View: https://youtu.be/Y-iHx-toZb0

If you want to associate yourself with thousand year old religious views, that's fine by me.

 

[Wij]

WTO Director General says article 24 stuff is nonsense:

“Jumping from league one to league three”: WTO insiders’ scathing assessments of a WTO Brexit

 

[Job]

Whatever.
The WTO has the same power as the UN.

 

[Ormorof]

All gone quiet on the Dalai Lama front.

Hes suddenly gone right off message and been dropped like a stone.

View: https://youtu.be/Y-iHx-toZb0

Dont know what that has to do with Brexit, also those comments were reported over a year ago, for example here Dalai Lama says ‘Europe belongs to the Europeans’ and suggests refugees return to native countries

It is the aim of any refugee program to care, educate, and return, if possible, it may be that in many cases its never possible to sensibly return people or families after prolonged periods. Thats not really new, its been one of key challenges of dealing with refugees since we started giving a shit

 

[Job]

So you agree with him then?

 

[Gwadien]

So you agree with him then?

I think most people do.

I think most people want refugees to return to their country once they are safe, and if they're not safe to return, then they can remain.

“Receive them, help them, educate them ... but ultimately they should develop their own country,” the 83-year-old said, when speaking about refugees.

This is what I've been saying all along @Job we can't have an isolationist approach otherwise we will have a far larger immigration issue in the future.

The best thing to do is to have a good long hard look at aid, redistribute it, then use the UN properly to bring stabilisation to every country which isn't stable.

I know you dislike global groups, but imagine if the UN went into Syria, build a boundary around major cities and said 'sort your shit out, leave these places alone or you'll answer to all the member states of the UN'.

We need to bring balance to the world, but it doesn't mean giving larger slices of the pie to Africa, it means making more pies to share with them

 

[Job]

The problem of course is the liberal agenda to call everyone a refugee.
We get a tiny amount of refugees, practically all of them are dealt with by neighbouring countries or within their own, most of Syria is safe, practically all of it now thanks to the Russians.
We get migrants and call them refugees as soon as they set foot on European soil.
No one goes home because they have an army of Euro taxpayer paid lawyers who use every concievable trick in the book to ensure they cant be sent home.....hilariously, the only ones going home are young black kids in London whos parents are sending them home because of the totally unpoliced gang warfare going on.
As the saying goes..you couldnt make it up.
The superich want migrants because they want cheap labour, they dont give a flying fuck about social.
upheaval..or crime..or loss of culture, we are nothing to them.
Its all about keeping the tanks filled in the superyachts.

 

[Gwadien]

Most of the male syrians who fled were being forced into the army on the threat of death, so no, Russia hasn't made it 'safe' at all, quite the opposite.

As for all the non-Syrian refugees - don't you think it would be pragmatic to help develop those countries and educate their people?

Most of these people come over here on their own paid by money saved by their families for years, don't you think they'd rather be at home with their families? Why don't we let them stay for a bit, equip them with the skills to go home and sort their own shit out?

'young black kids in London' you mean like the ones who were born here?

For fucks sake.

I think you read the Llama's comments as 'Europe is for white people'

 

[Job]

Well if their parents are sending them 'home ' wether they were born here or not, gives you an idea of where they think home is.

We dont get people who want to stay a bit and then go home.
We get economic migrants..who want to settle then bring their families at a later date.

 

[Ormorof]

Dont really see the problem with that either as long as they bring a net benefit to society (which every bit of research into subject of immigration seems to indicate)

As an immigrant myself, i like to think that its not all bad

 

[Gwadien]

Dont really see the problem with that either as long as they bring a net benefit to society (which every bit of research into subject of immigration seems to indicate)

As an immigrant myself, i like to think that its not all bad

Jobs definition of immigrant is someone who is not of the native skin colour.

 

[DaGaffer]

Well if their parents are sending them 'home ' wether they were born here or not, gives you an idea of where they think home is.

We dont get people who want to stay a bit and then go home.
We get economic migrants..who want to settle then bring their families at a later date.

You get fucking millions of people who ‘want to stay a bit then go home’. Most of the EU workers in fact. It’s the non-EU migrants who are the ones who stay.

 

[Wij]

Literally what the Nazis did:

Nigel Farage calls for anyone anti-Brexit to be removed from civil service or military

 

[caLLous]

The more we learn about Brexit, the more crooked it looks

Elements of the 2016 British referendum campaign have long seemed familiar to Americans. There was a close, controversial election, full of rancor and anger. There were a lot of wealthy men talking about “the people” and their “will.” There were targeted advertising campaigns, stolen data and fake social media accounts. But now, with only a few days left until Britain is due to face the consequences of that vote, the Brexit story suddenly looks even more familiar: One of its protagonists turns out to have much deeper Russian business connections than previously suspected. He also tried to conceal them.

The protagonist in question is Arron Banks, the most important funder of both the pro-Brexit UK Independence Party (UKIP) and Leave.EU, one of several organizations that campaigned to get Britain out of the European Union. By the relatively low-spending standards of British politics, Banks was a huge donor, giving $11 million of his own money to the Brexit cause and raising an additional $5 million on top. And here's the peculiarly British part of the story: Thanks to Banks's extensive use of tax havens and shell companies, it has never been entirely clear where all of that money came from — or even whether all of it was really his.

Some of it, he says, comes from an insurance company he owns. Some comes, supposedly, from “diamond mines.” All of it is spread among dozens of companies based in Gibraltar, the British Virgin Islands and the Isle of Man, according to documents revealed in the Panama Papers, among other things, as well as Britain. Although he has testified that none of the money used in funding the campaign came from foreign sources — which would be illegal — the British electoral commission found his stories suspicious enough to ask the National Crime Agency to investigate.

Banks also seems to have been very friendly with some foreigners who also believed that Brexit was in their national interest. Last summer, the Guardian reported that the Russian ambassador to Britain had offered him a tantalizing and peculiarly lucrative investment in Russian gold mines; Banks declared categorically that he would never invest in Russia: “No. Flat. Zero. Nothing,” he replied in an interview with ITV News. This week the broadcaster’s reporters alleged that a finance company substantially owned by Banks did pursue the deal — and even identified a shell company, based in Sweden, that could be used to pursue it. Because Banks still denies that the deal happened, and because the story is so hard to follow further, we won’t know the truth before March 29, when Britain is scheduled to leave the E.U.

But even if this story won’t delay Brexit, it does firmly locate the referendum within a larger context. The truth is that Britain has become a place where untransparent money, from unknown sources, is widely accepted with a complacent shrug. London is the world capital of offshore banking, home to the most sophisticated accountants and lawyers; a third of British billionaires have availed themselves of those services and moved their money beyond the reach of the state, according to a report Thursday in the Times of London. Many of them nevertheless continue to make donations to British political parties, and many continue to lobby to keep the rules that favor them exactly as they are.

As a result, the British political class does not have the willpower to force them to bring their money home. The British state does not have the legal tools to force Banks to show where his cash came from. The British media continue to investigate, but if anyone were trying to influence the British referendum campaign from outside the country — beyond the social media manipulation that is now de rigueur in almost every election — it’s possible that we’ll never know.

And here’s the final irony: If Brexit was the creation, in part, of this new world of offshore money and political influence campaigns, Brexit may well ensure that it continues unrestricted. The E.U. is probably the only power in Europe — maybe even the only one in the world — with the regulatory strength to change the culture of tax avoidance. And since 2016, it has been slowly enacting rules designed to do exactly that. Britain, once it leaves the E.U., may well be exempt.

British industry might suffer after Brexit, and British power will be reduced. But the gray zone — where politics meets money, where foreign money can become domestic, where assets can be hidden and connections concealed — will survive. Perhaps that was the point all along.

 

[Scouse]

We're already a dodgy tax haven. Brexit'll just make it easier.

 

[caLLous]

 

[caLLous]

Brexit: Philip Hammond warns UK will lose control in no-deal scenario

Weird. I thought the whole point was to "take back control".

 

[Job]

This is such a joke..the WTO..the toothless tiger it is..clearly allows for continuation of present deals, just say you are 'working' on them.
There are more loopholes in the WTO rules than my tax returns.

The EU can easily just allow it to carry on as normal..us leaving will only be an issue if they make the suicidal move of cancelling trade deals and damaging their own economies.

 

[Wij]

This is such a joke..the WTO..the toothless tiger it is..clearly allows for continuation of present deals, just say you are 'working' on them.
There are more loopholes in the WTO rules than my tax returns.

The EU can easily just allow it to carry on as normal..us leaving will only be an issue if they make the suicidal move of cancelling trade deals and damaging their own economies.

No. It. Can. Not.

WTO deals with tariffs and quotas. It can’t give us a different deal to any other country it has no trade deal with and it absolutely WILL not. It isn’t going to bend the rules. It is the largest trading bloc in the world and has to be seen to play by the rules.

Non-tariff barriers are nothing to do with the WTO. Ours will come mainly from not being in the single market. The single market countries can’t give us a free pass on regulation and standards or the single market stops working. That’s what it is. They won’t destroy the single market for our sake.

Your argument is based on ignorance.

 

[Gwadien]

The EU can easily just allow it to carry on as normal..us leaving will only be an issue if they make the suicidal move of cancelling trade deals and damaging their own economies.

Why would the EU look at us favourably when we've just said a big 'fuck you' to them, especially when America is waiting to sign a horrible trade deal which will destroy the NHS. I don't understand the logic.

Also the EU is quite a large trading bloc, the UK is probably a 1/5th of that, we lose EVERYTHING, they lose a part, which since there's a recession on, other countries probably have the infrastructure already in place to replace industries in the UK.

So even when we do go back to the negotiation table, we'll already be selling them lots less but buying lots more.

Sure, it works both ways though, there will be more jobs in the UK, but far more will be lost.

 

[Scouse]

I don't know why @Job, @Wij and @Gwadien are continuing with this. It's all been said before.

It's like this:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cUwVLx8K9s

 

[Job]

No. It. Can. Not.

WTO deals with tariffs and quotas. It can’t give us a different deal to any other country it has no trade deal with and it absolutely WILL not. It isn’t going to bend the rules. It is the largest trading bloc in the world and has to be seen to play by the rules.

Non-tariff barriers are nothing to do with the WTO. Ours will come mainly from not being in the single market. The single market countries can’t give us a free pass on regulation and standards or the single market stops working. That’s what it is. They won’t destroy the single market for our sake.

Your argument is based on ignorance.

No..its based on their rules..if you have a trade deal on place, you just continue it even if you leave the trade bloc...if its being re negotiated then it can carry on.

Not that anyone actually gives a shit about the WTO..they have as much clout as the UN in international affairs.

 

[Wij]

No..its based on their rules..if you have a trade deal on place, you just continue it even if you leave the trade bloc...if its being re negotiated then it can carry on.

Not that anyone actually gives a shit about the WTO..they have as much clout as the UN in international affairs.

Stating the same thing again doesn’t make it any more true.

 

[Gwadien]

No-one cares or respects about the WTO.

I'm glad we're using their rules post-Brexit though.

 

[Job]

Yes..just like we follow UN rulings.

 

[Yoni]

Appears that someone may have reaslised that they have backed the wrong horse

 

[Wij]

Rich Jew puppet master?


View: https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1050687525218643968


Tell me that’s not classic anti semitism.

 

[Gwadien]

Rich Jew puppet master?


View: https://twitter.com/LeaveEUOfficial/status/1050687525218643968


Tell me that’s not classic anti semitism.

Won't get much attention though, because you know, Labour.