Please Dont ADD ffs!

[Boggy]

Yes, sorry for given you the wrong impression. What I meant is that the looking up of the stats and working out group composition is zero challenge. Clearly, in any case where you have to assemble a group of people be it random or fixed you still have to deal with the people involved, and any challenges that entails.

 

[Maeloch]

Nice generaliasation, but sure, PE rolls over any **** NFD player trying to solo,
because they always add with their FG(s).

Why i always add on ur fights fucknut. And PE 'trying' to solo is correct from what i seen with u lot bridge camping at 4am, saitoh getting chain wiped 1v1 by a lvl 47 bainshee, then bringing some rr11 theurg out to help, etc

Funny enuff I add on evitas grp by mistake sometimes cos some of em have same colours as PE.

 

[Bugz]

Givf more flames

 

[Belisar]

Not everyone can run opted groups - because there are certain classes who are not numerous enough in number to fill all group needs.

If not opted, the choice is run as we are or do not run at all. I would prefer to run anyway because to me RvR is the end game for DAoC and the challenge behind it - PvE is ok but I like a balance of both and that balance is skewed to RvR. A different group set up or different people every night is a challenge for sure.

Not everyone agrees on what an opted group should compose of.

Some guilds can and will say they there is a fixed group set up made up of fixed individuals and anyone else misses out. Not all guilds are willing/able to do this.

We all have different definitions of what makes a fair fight.

The game is not set up to make 8 vs 8 or 1 vs 1 or any such combination easily achieved.

I strongly disagree with anyone who says the good GG's do not add - I have been on the receiving end of it - some may not add but that is not true of all. I have also seen some excuses about 'we only add on those who have added on us' a comment which is rubbish quite frankly.

For the basic player we often do not recognise the good GG's until after the fight. Personally I do not go around with a list of names from alb or mid nor do a target every enemy I see checking if I recognise a name or not.

The issue is here that there are several styles of play being put forward which do not mix, were not designed to mix and the game mechanics do not support. Trying to put in place player mechanics is useless unless everyone agrees and clearly here not everyone does.

Sadly the "please do not add" brigade are always likely to be disappointed because in the "I will add" corner there is not really a way to lose. They either add or are added on - in either case the non-adders cannot win. I also fail to see any conversions to the cause form reading these posts.

 

[pip]

Ever stood there whatched 1v1 your realm mate dies then some jumps ya your beating them then the person you let have 1v1 jumps in and kills ya lifes a bitch :touch:

 

[stupeh]

Good thing you've never done that isn't it pip, wouldn't want you to be sad.

 

[pip]

I'm a good boy allways happy

 

[Corran]

Yes and all you have to do to not add is just simply control your fingers, I'm fully aware of that there is no rules about adding, but you can still have some sort of honor. :touch:

You're not only ruining the fight for your enemies, also for your "allies". Think of that :/

Ok im already bored reading all this... but Niko on more then one occassion you have ran me down with your duo or fg when i been solo. This is not a fair fight and dictates that after it happened a fair few times in a day I am pissed off and will ruin your fun, afteral how is it fun for people you slaughter easily?

I spoke to you ingame a bit, you a nice enough guy but you got to understand that the way your fg plays affects how people react. You run down small groups that got no chance, you really think they gonna say "Oh look it them lot that keep slaughtering us. Lets just let them be." ?

 

[Bleeker]

im not wearing any pants...

 

[Straef]

I remember the adding **** now \o/ Flyboibip \o\ Or smtn like that :x

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

Why i always add on ur fights fucknut. And PE 'trying' to solo is correct from what i seen with u lot bridge camping at 4am, saitoh getting chain wiped 1v1 by a lvl 47 bainshee, then bringing some rr11 theurg out to help, etc

Funny enuff I add on evitas grp by mistake sometimes cos some of em have same colours as PE.

<Crys> More slandering my color scheme.Ill redye green and pretend to be a hib caster!Robe and everything!

 

[Boggy]

I've been in groups with Niko where he has quite happily run down 3 people with a FG or added on fights (also been in one where we were FG and he inisted on not retrying a fight with 5 people because one was Onigiri and he said it was literally impossible to win). If people really had honour, and stuck to a code I would consider not adding on those people (in fact I already do with one or two soloers).

And as for spoiling the fight of your allies, well, some of them have a funny way of being allies. They won't help you when you need them and they moan at you when you kill an enemy. A lot are allies in name only.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

I've been in groups with Niko where he has quite happily run down 3 people with a FG or added on fights (also been in one where we were FG and he inisted on not retrying a fight with 5 people because one was Onigiri and he said it was literally impossible to win). If people really had honour, and stuck to a code I would consider not adding on those people (in fact I already do with one or two soloers).

And as for spoiling the fight of your allies, well, some of them have a funny way of being allies. They won't help you when you need them and they moan at you when you kill an enemy. A lot are allies in name only.

what do you mean with "dont help u"? in RvR? well most ppl who dont want other ppl to add on their fights dont add on others fights either even if their realmmate is loosing cuz even if the realmmate wants help it would be disrespecting the enemy to add on the fight = wouldnt go in line with the "code" as you call it.

if your comment was related to pve then well you have to know/understand a few things.

first of all players in an opted group usually play this game for RvR and only do pve when its needed.
furthermore you have to keep in mind that players in opted groups usually do toa together in as least as possible time but since you want deluxe equip for everyone in the group you kinda have to put some effort in it = LOTS of arti/scrolls/cash farming + ML raids x 8. for example when toa got released we farmed zahur like 4times a day for 2 months, mission objective = zahur rings. after about 150-200 kills we had 4 rings but ppl kept on trying cuz they needed them to complete template. unfinshed template = no RvR for complete guild (atleast no set group) after 1-3months of hardcore pve you have finally completed toa for entire group and be rdy for set group rvr, and totally fed up with pve. now remember most of those ppl ONLY play this game for rvr. quiet obvious that they dont feel like helping a guy they never met/spoke/seen before, after they have finally managed to get through this pve horror and start to enjoy the game again. not to mention that some ppl dont even know how to do the stuff they need and you often just get wiped, dont talking about anyone in particular it just happened to me more than once

maybe this seems to be an evil attitude to u but you have to see the whole picture. if you help every single guy out there completing toa even if you dont know him you will soon spend more time in toa than in rvr which is quiet unacceptable for a player whos only goal lies in RvR dont you think so too?

what you can do is ask ppl in your guild/alliance if some1 needs credit/similar scrolls depending on what you gonna farm, you´ll see that you can usually atleast 1-2 ppl at primetime who have similar interests as u and with 3ppl you can farm scrolls easy and fast and can do 90% of artis too if you have the right key classes available.

i´m in personal sometimes help ppl with an arti if he knows how to do it (cuz i usually have to read up about it) and when i have nothing else to do and i´m bored anyway. but you cant just go like: "Hey dude you dont know me but i need your help with an arti, can you come and help me pls?" maybe ppl are busy doing other things right in that moment or simply cba cuz they just finished their template. another reason could be that they got plans for the time they can be online (guild rvr for example or crafting, whatevah ppl do)

try make a thread on prydwen.net where you ask for help with an artifact at a certain time, like in 2,3,4,5,6,7 days at 11,12,13,14,15 o´clock, i think you will get a more positive response than from random PMing ppl at DL.

 

[Corran]

what do you mean with "dont help u"? in RvR? well most ppl who dont want other ppl to add on their fights dont add on others fights either even if their realmmate is loosing cuz even if the realmmate wants help it would be disrespecting the enemy to add on the fight = wouldnt go in line with the "code" as you call it..

Lol... since when do you speak for most people? Most the time i dont like adding BUT I am not most people and those people on forum are far from most people (but they are the only ones heard)

I bet you find that if you polled ALL of daoc players (ie they had to answer question when logged in) the typical reply would be .. "I dont like adds when i am going to win, but if im losing i want people to help me"

Oh and there is no code of honor with most opted groups, they want rp's and it is that simple else they would not bother slaughtering all the solo people/people that stand no chance.

 

[saitoh]

Why i always add on ur fights fucknut. And PE 'trying' to solo is correct from what i seen with u lot bridge camping at 4am, saitoh getting chain wiped 1v1 by a lvl 47 bainshee, then bringing some rr11 theurg out to help, etc

Funny enuff I add on evitas grp by mistake sometimes cos some of em have same colours as PE.

mr retard , that was shorti playing saitoh , ask whoever was on that bridge to confirm that
get ut facts straight
anyway u got some nerve talking like that after ur guild group goes down like a brehon squad from PE gg
so shut the fuck up and go add somewhere

 

[Gahn]

mr retard , that was shorti playing saitoh , ask whoever was on that bridge to confirm that
get ut facts straight
anyway u got some nerve talking like that after ur guild group goes down like a brehon squad from PE gg
so shut the fuck up and go add somewhere

Hello Saitoh!

 

[Belisar]

I bet you find that if you polled ALL of daoc players (ie they had to answer question when logged in) the typical reply would be .. "I dont like adds when i am going to win, but if im losing i want people to help me"

Oh and there is no code of honor with most opted groups, they want rp's and it is that simple else they would not bother slaughtering all the solo people/people that stand no chance.

I would tend to agree.

There are clearly some views at each end of the spectrum from the 'I do not like adds at all' to the 'I do not care if I am added on or not'. But for the most part I suspect you are right.

The current situation with iRvR covering such a small area (hibs and mids in an area from Crim the Crauch) makes it hard to get even fights when there are several groups out and running (such as last night). So if you are one of the peeps who do not like adding this is probably not an ideal place to be.

 

[Shike]

cluster will probably help out with that situation Belisar.. atm roaming around in any other area is just plain boring, since there is very little to fight.

Hopefully we wont have silly iRVR in cluster so roaming around pays off alil more instead of packing up everyone in one small hole.

 

[Luz]

wonder when the narrow sighted 1fg-only players will realize nobody else then them think its fun

you should all agree on a zone and stay there and leave the regular players alone

 

[Shike]

wonder when the narrow sighted 1fg-only players will realize nobody else then them think its fun

you should all agree on a zone and stay there and leave the regular players alone

wonder when the narrowminded zergers will realize nobody else then them think its fun

you should all agree on a zone and stay there and leave the FGplayers alone

 

[Luz]

wonder when the narrowminded zergers will realize nobody else then them think its fun

you should all agree on a zone and stay there and leave the FGplayers alone

lol how smart you are

zergers > fg players, so majority rules


... "by game-design" anyone?

 

[Shike]

lol how smart you are

zergers > fg players, so majority rules


... "by game-design" anyone?

thanks

and sure, 40 beats 8, nothing weird in that, its a very noble way to fight too..

 

[Gahn]

wonder when the narrowminded zergers will realize nobody else then them think its fun

you should all agree on a zone and stay there and leave the FGplayers alone

Well actually zergs tend to concentrate in obvious points tbh ^^

 

[Luz]

thanks

and sure, 40 beats 8, nothing weird in that, its a very noble way to fight too..

no thats why the minority of people should adapt and move to other places, that they can agree on among themself

tbh its nothing fun to try and find a grp for 40 mins, then being in a somewhat semi-ok grp setup with maybe 2 bards a druid and 2 tanks and some casters.. then you set of to RvR. Within 5 mins you die from GG1 and you try again, die from GG1 again. You try elsewhere and die from GG2.

This goes on and its no fun.

Or you could join a BG find a grp within 2 mins, join this semi-ok setup grp and run with other people (40? I dunno) and battle it out vs. 40 enemy and havning a long and fun fight back and forth, that is, UNTILL A FG (gg) comes and destroys it all in 2 mins. Thus destroying the fun for a total of 80 people.

This is my point of view, 8 peoples fun are less important then 80 ppl ?

 

[Shike]

no thats why the minority of people should adapt and move to other places, that they can agree on among themself

tbh its nothing fun to try and find a grp for 40 mins, then being in a somewhat semi-ok grp setup with maybe 2 bards a druid and 2 tanks and some casters.. then you set of to RvR. Within 5 mins you die from GG1 and you try again, die from GG1 again. You try elsewhere and die from GG2.

This goes on and its no fun.

Or you could join a BG find a grp within 2 mins, join this semi-ok setup grp and run with other people (40? I dunno) and battle it out vs. 40 enemy and havning a long and fun fight back and forth, that is, UNTILL A FG (gg) comes and destroys it all in 2 mins. Thus destroying the fun for a total of 80 people.

This is my point of view, 8 peoples fun are less important then 80 ppl ?

If you loose vs GG's, there isnt many that will whine if you run more than a FG, within a reasonable amount. You do what u gotta do to stand up and give a fight.

And tbh, 40vs40 being ruined by a GG? lol, sorry but, if one GG actually manage to kill 80 people somehow, I dunno but, dont you think the ppl they kill play at least alittle bad?

And mostly when it is zergfights one side outnumbers the other, your 40vs40 happens what, once in a blue moon?

 

[stupeh]

On a busy night, you can have around 4 hib GG's, 2-3 mid GG's, and maybe 2-3 alb ones, so thats around the 80 people mark. Not sure a minority now? :x

 

[Boggy]

what do you mean with "dont help u"? in RvR? well most ppl who dont want other ppl to add on their fights dont add on others fights either even if their realmmate is loosing cuz even if the realmmate wants help it would be disrespecting the enemy to add on the fight = wouldnt go in line with the "code" as you call it.

If someone wants to play a code where they don't help me, that's their perogative, but it's a bit rich to then say "You should not add cos it ruins the game of your allies". In what way are they my allies if they are happy to let me die rather than "disrespect the enemy"?

I go out of my way quite a lot to help my real allies. I spend time doing stuff I don't enjoy and I modify the way I play within reason. Same goes for my friends. But I'll be buggered if I am radically altering the way I play the game just cos some guy who wouldn't piss on me if I was on fire suddenly wants to play the ally card.

 

[daoc_xianghua]

In what way are they my allies if they are happy to let me die rather than "disrespect the enemy"?

In what way would it make sense to try to play fair, when you only do it until you going to lose? i can accept dieing in a fair clean 1on1 fight. when the fight aint seems to be fair, i.e. numbers are not even ofc i will help my realmmate.

same goes for fg vs fg when lets say mael/pe fight a random group, i just cant see in what way they deserve to be added on because they put more effort into the game so they play better than the random group who plays maybe 2-3hours a day or less. ofc its not an even battle but if you consider the amount of time/dedication those groups have invested into the game its only fair theat they win.

its like in sports if you dont practice every day for several hours you wont win the olympic gold medal, end of story

if you dont see my point now i dont rly know what to say anymore

 

[TheBinarySurfer]

It's a similar challenge trying to take on an opted group with a random group, or even trying to take on 8 people with 6 people.

One thing I never really understood about opting groups (possibly because I have never done it) is where the main challenge comes from. All the information is public domain. You can look up the classes and skills you need to build your group then getting them is just a matter of PvE and selecting those choices. This gives you your opted group with zero challenge.

Then you get into the challenge of fighting other opted groups, but that is just combat, and would be the same challenge random vs random as opted vs opted.

Thats like saying give a monkey a machine gun it can use it as well as a trained soldier.Simply not the case, the RA's/Artis/Mls help a lot yes but the primary reason opteds do better than randoms is they often practise together and invite competent players who know what their doing and how to work with others.

 

[Belisar]

when the fight aint seems to be fair, i.e. numbers are not even ofc i will help my realmmate.

its like in sports if you dont practice every day for several hours you wont win the olympic gold medal, end of story

The first comment is nice to hear. Sadly not everyone seems to play that way. The group I was in got jumped by 2fg of mids last night, an opted guild hibby group was there and I remember thinking that this was going to be an interesting fight. Suddenly the hibby group decided to run, leaving us fully committed and outnumbered.

I can appreciate the second comment and how if you equip yourself with the best and work really hard at your chosen game/sport you have a right to expect results in a team based game. Running a fg is clearly a team based exercise.

But take any team based event (soccer, rugby even badminton) there are rules which tell you how many players you can have on each side. That is not true in RvR where there are no restrictions. Yes a fg is limited to 8 but there is nothing set out anywhere which says thou shalt not run with more than 8. Why have battlegroups, why have a CTR which extends speed etc to those beyond your 8 ?

Equally in your analogy competing for a gold medal means you have been selected to compete against the best in the world. In soccer you get promoted or relegated. That is not true of RvR where the less experienced random groups have no choice but to fight the opted ones.

Opted guild groups want fun so do random groups. A random group getting slaughtered by an opted one is not fun for the randoms.

I actually have a lot of sympathy for those who do not like adds. I have run with groups who do not add and run in groups who do. I have no problem playing either way or trying my hardest to respect other peoples wishes.

The arguments for and against seem endless but it does seem to me that by asking people not to add you are asking people to introduce their/your own rules into a game because the game mechanics do not support the way you wish to play. This will not work unless everyone agrees or unless the game mechanics are changed. I cannot see either happening any time soon.