Petition about savage growth rate.

[Neomancer]

theyre interuptable, a svg is not. and the heatdebuff is so short u gotta debuff every third nuke or smth

Don't think many chanters debuff more than once

How many HP's do you think they have?

If u debuff the target, eld assist with 500 dmg + chanter aswell. Target won't last long and not many can heal 2000+ dmg in 5-6 sec.
Ofc. you need an assist nuker, but with the setups hibs run these days this wont be a problem

With single chanter using debuff and nuking on 1 person is a waste of mana, 1-2 healers can outheal your power quicker than you can kill him/her.

 

[[NO]Subedai]

1 cleric can heal that amount of dmg.
but it cant do it for long, thats the problem.

 

[Tomtefan]

The problem with savages is their *potential* damage. No other melee class in the game can deal the same amount of damage in one blow (did 1300 without critting with my pvp savage pre-toa and that's more then all other classes can dream of). Those hp-draining shouts aren't really a problem either if you play with decent people (and seriously how hard is it to heal/SH the damage once the shouts fade)..?

The added DPS shout also adds to the *potential* damage by quite alot if you compare to regular tanks, sure savages get lower WS but that doesn't matter against lowaf classes (hi casters). Think my savage has 1640 pre-toa equipment etc at rr4. Also the set of styles in h2h is probably the best styles within daoc for RvRing overall. We got side chain with 9s stun + sweet style damage, we have 4s back stun with a worthless followup, we got 3 style evade chain which isn't really usable for RvR except when you decide to try to kill a tank which attacks you and the 3 style parry chain which is the same as the evade chain.

The shouts makes the savage close to impossible to slay by normal melee means except if all the healers are interrupted (hi situational savage using correct resists and keeping himself around 50~% resists)...

Savages in assisttrains should (imo) aim for a no-qui template and not use dex/qui in RvR. The potential frontload damage would be worth losing those 120~WS which the dex/qui adds. And of course avoid using haste shout as you should really be able to oneshot something with 2 (3 savages if you kick out the skald) which uses 19~DPS 4.4+4.0 (depending on what template they use) which run around without any qui.

So even if the savage has the lowest APR among the dualwielding classes it is still superior due to having the possibility to deal those awesome blows every now and then and mostly having better style bonuses/higher dps. I often find myself dealing almost the same damage as the 2 BMs which I play with on camlann as they assist on one target and I go for another target.

(You could always scream that they are gimped or something but there isn't anything which says that savages aren't the easymode™ of DAoC even with the addition of bodyguard/grapple)

 

[Ulkez]

Tomtefan, swinging at 1.5sec is way better than ~3.5sec....sometimes you miss a style you know...not even worth discussing rly

 

[Puppet]

[alliance]Sherekahn: Hibbies ML10 yet?
[alliance]Champtastic: Yep; I saw you dinged RR9 lately? Grats!
[alliance]Sherekahn: Hehe ye ty; tho been RR9 for a while now; its even more overpowered in TOA!
[alliance]Champtastic: Huh; why's that?
[alliance]Sherekahn: Using 4.4 spd claws having cap of 790 dmg. Tho I dont quad anymore; only tripples :/
[alliance]Champtastic: euhhh, 790 cap dmg is higher then my Large Weapon 5.5 spd 2H hammer ?
[alliance]Sherekahn: Yeah, makes you think about balance nowadays, savage is way over the top now in TOA.
[alliance]Sherekahn: I think the dps-buff is really bugged atm on savage, Im having hits way higher then I should have rlly xD

Not exact log of our little chat on Hib cgr, but you get the picture . You admitted savages where overpowered (which they are). But knowing from LA-zerks it takes Mythic over 1,5 year to put savage in line :/

 

[Carrera]

Sorry can i just add pwned to that.

Not enough space to fit all my chars.

Check duskwave.com/daoc and tell me what class Xorta and Flava are from hib/excal... ohh look there casters rr4/7 chanter and rr4 eld. guess i never played a caster before hey.

Ohh and your right you do need to stand still to cast. doesnt mean you have to stand still when you see a tank charging towards you.

Wow you brought some chars on ebay and played them for a month, so much experience!

 

[Sycho]

[alliance]Sherekahn: Hibbies ML10 yet?
[alliance]Champtastic: Yep; I saw you dinged RR9 lately? Grats!
[alliance]Sherekahn: Hehe ye ty; tho been RR9 for a while now; its even more overpowered in TOA!
[alliance]Champtastic: Huh; why's that?
[alliance]Sherekahn: Using 4.4 spd claws having cap of 790 dmg. Tho I dont quad anymore; only tripples :/
[alliance]Champtastic: euhhh, 790 cap dmg is higher then my Large Weapon 5.5 spd 2H hammer ?
[alliance]Sherekahn: Yeah, makes you think about balance nowadays, savage is way over the top now in TOA.
[alliance]Sherekahn: I think the dps-buff is really bugged atm on savage, Im having hits way higher then I should have rlly xD

Not exact log of our little chat on Hib cgr, but you get the picture . You admitted savages where overpowered (which they are). But knowing from LA-zerks it takes Mythic over 1,5 year to put savage in line :/

Ask remi/remish on irc what his mainhand cap is then.

.......

 

[Vasconcelos]

Ask remi/remish on irc what his mainhand cap is then.

.......

Now with the aid of 4 ForcefullZephirs each 2min

gogogogo Mythic!!!!

 

[cougar]

yeah, but cap is without haste and qui buffs, but i still do enough in rvr ~~

 

[ceixava]

http://daoc.unith.net/balance.gif

34 damage absorbed by SoK proc, so that means the style was with +68 style bonus (50% style damage abs), and still that fucking idiotic damage, fix the base damage imo

 

[Sycho]

Download this short movie(it's just showing a caba's solo life, not how much he kills or anything, think he was just filming his day in rvr), was posted on prydwen rvr section so thought i would show it here too, cabalist on prydwen with 1490hps and sc'ed gear aswell as best buffs meets remish and see what happens :E

http://www.v11ofv1111.angelcities.com/Chxz.wmv

http://forums.jeuxonline.info/showthread.php?s=&threadid=270865

Contact = hand to hand
Marteau = hammer
Epée = sword
Hache senestre = Left axe (growth rates coming from zerks only)
Hache = axe
Attaque sournoise = critical strike
Lance = spear
Bouclier = shield

Midgard upto date growth rates too.

 

[Pin]

Body spec?

 

[Aussie]

12/15 savage styles growthstyle of 1+ :worthy:

 

[Tomtefan]

Tomtefan, swinging at 1.5sec is way better than ~3.5sec....sometimes you miss a style you know...not even worth discussing rly

Haste does lower your initial damage so if you would oneshot the target (which 3 savages should unless they got the gimp™ title) it's ineffective using it if you feel secure in your damagedealing. However it's just a suggestion for dem savage groups to test, personally I stick with 250~ qui and haste shout as I dont play in a group with enough potential frontload damage

EDIT: See it as a wannabe prenerf LA zerker again

 

[Belomar]

http://www.v11ofv1111.angelcities.com/Chxz.wmv

Hmm. Can't say I'm too impressed. And is it just me, or is his cast speed really slow?

 

[Ilum]

Hmm. Can't say I'm too impressed. And is it just me, or is his cast speed really slow?

actually, believe it or not, this guy made a video without wanting to show everyone how he "wtfpwned".

so if you didnt even understand that.....

 

[[NO]Magmatic]

actually, believe it or not, this guy made a video without wanting to show everyone how he "wtfpwned".

so if you didnt even understand that.....

Well, what I dont get is what the hell that vid has to do with this whine thread about Savages...And even if it had some point, seriously, he played like utter crap...

 

[Sycho]

Well, what I dont get is what the hell that vid has to do with this whine thread about Savages...And even if it had some point, seriously, he played like utter crap...

You didn't see the savage 1 shot it when the caba had sc gear, 1490hps aswell as best buffs?

 

[[NO]Magmatic]

Hmm, think I missed that part, only saw him getting zerged by stealthers and getting killed by his own fault a couple of times... It was so depressing...

The worst probably was him spamming some low-ae dot (I think) on a bunch of mids and then running away to do something else... Nice, break mez and run away, typical alb really...

 

[Pin]

Hmm, think I missed that part, only saw him getting zerged by stealthers and getting killed by his own fault a couple of times... It was so depressing...

Last death of the video - 6:30. Norseman Elding Herra (Remish) in shade form, opens with a single that misses, then 1-shots him.

 

[Brennik]

From Cougar's own archives:

http://nolbypride.se/daoc/images/cougar/mid-excal/strong_dmg.JPG

Can BMs, mercs and zerkers post some cap damage shots too? I'd like to know if that's only double their caps or triple

PS. Hope you sent that pic to Mythic's feedback already so I don't have to

 

[Zzang]

From Cougar's own archives:

http://nolbypride.se/daoc/images/cougar/mid-excal/strong_dmg.JPG

Can BMs, mercs and zerkers post some cap damage shots too? I'd like to know if that's only double their caps or triple

PS. Hope you sent that pic to Mythic's feedback already so I don't have to

Jajajaja xD

 

[Vasconcelos]

Jajajaja xD

Something in that +6189 style bonus tells me that hit was bugged (like DoT ticks for 4000 damage)

 

[Pin]

Something in that +6189 style bonus tells me that hit was bugged (like DoT ticks for 4000 damage)

Err. tells me the target was naked/sat/lowlevel.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Err. tells me the target was naked/sat/lowlevel.

might be aswell....

only Zzang knows for sure, but thats not a common hit on the emain dially basis (even considering your best hit of the day)

 

[cougar]

agreed. zerks > savages.

 

[stubbe]

might be aswell....

only Zzang knows for sure, but thats not a common hit on the emain dially basis (even considering your best hit of the day)

Hit a SM while hastedebuffed and dex/qui debuffed in vendo. SM had no shields up. Also parrychain which was the highest growthrate style in the game,

 

[rvn]

actacully off enemy parry was (aurora borealis :> but bit hard to do on an sm ;p)

 

[Fedaykin]

everybody knows savages are overpowered

the end

 

[Ghostly]

hahaha, this was the lamest thing ive seen for a while maybe should do the same about infils =)

Hmmm, I actually agree with Nalistah *runs off to see a doctor*