Paladin spec?

[Hrogar]

I'm starting a new pally soon and wondered if anyone's got a good spec. Gonna make it a 1h+shield pally but I don't know how much to spec in each thing. Any suggestions?

 

[Addlcove]

"defensive spec"

48chants
42shield
29slash (amethyst, best anytime style in the game)
30parry

"middleway"

48chants
42shield
39slash
15parry

"offensive"

46chants
42shield
44slash
3parry



all of the above is assuming that you spec slash, and don´t use the autotrain method

 

[-Nxs-]

Personaly I would feel the last AF chant isn't worth the points, If I was making a paladin purely for defence, then personaly I would go.

50 Shield
46 Chants
29 Slash
19 Parry

obviously with SC the parry and shield would get +11, Ive dueled against tanks using 42 shield and 50 shield, those with 50 block way more.

May be gimped, but hey - theres so many 42 shield paladins out there, I'd be different... ohh and a saracen with more dex.

 

[-naetha-]

My paladin's spec is

46 chants
42 shield
39 slash
22 parry (autotrained slash to 40)

Duel wise I've beaten all other pallies (not to say I haven't been beaten myself a few times ) including ones with 50 shield (gimps - do no damage whatsoever and I wouldn't say they block any more than me) and ones with 48 chants (extra af wasn't noticeable although the higher resist chants are useful in RvR)

I can also solo nightmares easily and the Ambassador and TG with little trouble.

I was thinking of respeccing chants to 48 next patch, but I'm happy with the way I am

 

[stroopwafel]

48 chants
42 shield
31 parry (autotrained)
29 slash
saracen paladin

high dex is nice for a paladin and i still get capped (in this patch) con with the regular cleric buffs

damage with 29 slash is shit yes, but if you want to do damage roll a 2h savage, the 31 parry is nice against dual-wielders and should get even better after patch

48 af chant not worth it? dunno, but imo a paladin doesnt need 42+ shield or 39+ weapon

 

[-Nxs-]

Originally posted by stroopwafel

31 parry (autotrained)

???

 

[hangianix]

I guess he meant that autotrained slash and/or chants, thats why so high his parry.

 

[ilum]

Ok, a few tips for paladin.

Autotrain slash - this is not a problem to do at all. If you max chants and shield you wont have any leftovers for slash, and maxing chants and shield is what will make you best in groups. And groups is what you want - a Paladin _can_ solo, but can't solo well, because even if you spec chants, you have gimped damage and use a lot of time to kill each mob. If you want to solo though, do it with crush and respec at 40. 40++ is usually very easy to get groups in Avalon City and DF.

You can also autotrain chants, but don't do this if you wanna level normally. It will probably be a lot harder.

As for spec, 48 or 46 chants, 42 shield, 39 slash and rest parry is a normal spec.

Here's a suggestion if you want a hybrid spec

46 chants - last AF not that important in groups as people tend to favour the cleric af buff because you won't be able to have AF chant up all the time.

42 shield - gives you slam and good guard

34 slash - you'll lose backslash, but Amethysh slash has almost the same damage. At RR6, you'll have 50 slash and probably won't notice any dmg difference on amy slash to a 39 specced pally.

25 two-handed - For increasing your damage when defense not that needed (ie. assisting tanks to kill casters/healers). Haven't tested this, but I'd believe the lvl 12 anytime style on 2h does a fair amount of more dmg than 1h amethyst slash (anyone tested this?) I haven't specced 2h at all, but unstyled it still does about 20-30% more dmg than unstyled 1h.

Rest parry - With autotraining slash and chants you'd get 20, which is decent.

If not, an other alternative could be:
50shield, 46chants, 29slash, rest parry (from 17-25 depending on autotrain I think)

 

[stroopwafel]

Originally posted by -Nxs-
???

+1 parry from 40 lvls playing with thrust

 

[Sagba]

46 Chants
50 Shield
34 Slash
7 Parry

Best spec for End/Slam/Blockbot IMO Is 34 Slash enough? Yes, Paladin with 50 slash wouldn't be a great damage dealer. Is 7 parry enough? High parry helps against Dual Wielders but has a tank with 2100ish HPs (buffed) +FH (+IP at higher RR) became a primary target ? I dont think so and if enemy tanks are stupid enough to attack you time they will spent trying to kill you is enough for your casters/polers/mercs/friars to kill enemys healers/casters.

 

[sanguineous]

39 Slash
48 Chants
42 Shield
15 Parry

What an ace spec! throw in a few rr, some tasty ras and crafted armour with loads of reactive Dots.. and im sure you wil have loads of fun in rvr both grp and solo wise (stealthers beware!...and any char that cant take you down in a few secs lol) I remember meeting a solo zerger...after a while I got bored of the fight and let him hit me for a few.. a min later he was dead by the hands of the crappy dmg shield on my shield hehe... as for the farming.. who needs nightmares when you can solo umbral hulks unbuffed?

 

[stroopwafel]

higher AF affects the chance to get missed by enemies as far as i know, maybe not as needed for you but it probably is alot more usefull for clerics/mercs who drop a lot faster
getting higher slash in stead of the 48 af isn't worth it imo, same with 50 shield, 50 shield is something for gimpy armsman

 

[-Nxs-]

Originally posted by stroopwafel
bah that wasnt the edit button

Use the delete one then

 

[andyr00barb]

Mine is
46 chants
40 slash
43 shield
19 parry

Got click happy when I was going for slam, but it doesn't matter cos I got zero pts left over, which is kinda neat

Trained crush till 40. IMO, there is no reason not to spec crush till 40. Gives you 54 pts to put into whatever.

If you've got a spec armor factor buff, then af chant won't stack with it, so I don't think 48 chants is necessary unless dueling is your thing. At the end of the day, RvR grps only really want you for endurance chant.

Cheers..

 

[stroopwafel]

If you've got a spec armor factor buff, then af chant won't stack with it, so I don't think 48 chants is necessary unless dueling is your thing. At the end of the day, RvR grps only really want you for endurance chant.

newbie groups then if they only want you for end, because in a balanced group you are the only one with shield styles and there for the only one able to slam.... and you have heal chant, doesnt heal much but if you keep twisting it still heals a fair ammount of hps every battle

i always like to run around in odins, 95% of those runs are solo/group without cleric or friar, so the af is nice then against all those stealthers


(didn't know about that delete button btw )

 

[Hrogar]

Thx for all the replies, think I'll go for a middleway one but I'm not sure. It'll take a while to get that high I reckon =)

 

[Col|]

Best all round spec is

46 Chants
42 Shield
39 Slash
20 Parry

Yes the last AF chant is nice, but try running it with a friar in your group, and when you switch on end regen, you just listen to them curse you to hell and back.

 

[Balbor]

heres a guild from the vn boards, seems to be very good, i think its post 1.62 so perry and block in RvR is working.

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=40379325&replies=46

anyway if you can be bothered to read it here the bit about how AF effecs thing.

Alot of people do not understand how important armor factor is in deciding how often you will block, parry or get missed. Hell even how much dmg you take. Absorbtion determines your af cap (thus plate wearers have higher af.) Against a yellow con mob with armor chant up, 983 af (988 with base buff from cleric) I block/parry about 95% of his swings. About 85% against oranges, about 75% against reds. If you want to see the differnce AF can do for you and are lvl 50, copy to pend, and have a paladin with 38 chants and paladin with 48 chants. same slash/shield/equipment. go up to red mob. Run af in both instances. Who will die first? I bet 200 real U.S. dollars on the paladin with 38 chants. AF is huge, just below dex for determining your defense capabilities.

I could not fathom being a defensive paladin without my 48 af chant. if I was 38 chants and defensive, and had no respec left I would quit the game. End of story. Go 48 chants damn't and thank me later.

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can anyone conferm this?

 

[Ezeine]

48 Chants
42 Shield
39 Slash
18 Parry

Spec with my paladin and I like it.

 

[Edaudric]

Originally posted by -Nxs-
Personaly I would feel the last AF chant isn't worth the points, If I was making a paladin purely for defence, then personaly I would go.

50 Shield
46 Chants
29 Slash
19 Parry

obviously with SC the parry and shield would get +11, Ive dueled against tanks using 42 shield and 50 shield, those with 50 block way more.

May be gimped, but hey - theres so many 42 shield paladins out there, I'd be different... ohh and a saracen with more dex.

With 50 vs. 42, the 50 has 4% higher chance of blocking if I got it right.
0.5% per Shield level, times 8. By right I mean that it actually is 0.5%. I'm not -that- horrible in math.
I suppose the dexterity would make a difference as well, but if it's Saracen vs. Saracen.

 

[Col|]

Originally posted by Balbor
heres a guild from the vn boards, seems to be very good, i think its post 1.62 so perry and block in RvR is working.

http://vnboards.ign.com/message.asp?topic=40379325&replies=46

anyway if you can be bothered to read it here the bit about how AF effecs thing.

Alot of people do not understand how important armor factor is in deciding how often you will block, parry or get missed. Hell even how much dmg you take. Absorbtion determines your af cap (thus plate wearers have higher af.) Against a yellow con mob with armor chant up, 983 af (988 with base buff from cleric) I block/parry about 95% of his swings. About 85% against oranges, about 75% against reds. If you want to see the differnce AF can do for you and are lvl 50, copy to pend, and have a paladin with 38 chants and paladin with 48 chants. same slash/shield/equipment. go up to red mob. Run af in both instances. Who will die first? I bet 200 real U.S. dollars on the paladin with 38 chants. AF is huge, just below dex for determining your defense capabilities.

I could not fathom being a defensive paladin without my 48 af chant. if I was 38 chants and defensive, and had no respec left I would quit the game. End of story. Go 48 chants damn't and thank me later.

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can anyone conferm this?

Not 100% sure about that quote, from what I know of AF, it affects how much damage you take when hit, not whether you block/parry/missed.

 

[chretien]

Avalonian Paladin with 50 shield spec fortehwin!!!!!11shift+1!!

Or something...

 

[Pinvan]

bah be a gimp like me :

42 chants
50 2h
34 slash/crush/thrust
19 parry
7shield

for teh win!!!11oneone

 

[Graknak]

Talking about RR5 etc:
46 +4 chants (like +chant is gonna help ya)
44 +15 = 59 2h
38 +15 = 53 slash (Autotrain slash till 40 or specc crush+2h till 40 and respecc back to slash+2h)
20 +15 +30 (from MoParry5, 3% per lvl = 6 points) = 65 parry

Afaik this leaves 0 spare points.

This gives a nices change instead of being a blockbot (who cares about having no engage, this is much more fun and perhaps 1 day 2h gets single specc like Hibs do)

[Edit:] You can trade MoParry 5 for MoParry 4 and some other nifty Ra's instead, still makes it nice