On verge of WWIII?...

[Bahumat]

I dont see what the fuss is, we're all gonna die of Meteor in 2007...

 

[Calaen]

What about North Korea ? Iran ? India v Pakistan ?

And how long before a well-funded terrorist organisation is able to manufacture a viable nuclear device ? Or even release a lethal chemical nerve agent in a densely populated metropolis ?

I think the latter is more worrying to be honest.

Thats still not on my door mate, although I do understand what you are saying. We all die just have fun while you are alive and you have won. Also I think living in Newcastle rules me out of the lets bomb this city cause it is great tbh Where would the new rulers go for the best night out in England TOON TOON!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[ilaya]

the meteor isnt until 2034.. makes a pass in 2029 swings round the sun, then comes back our direction..

 

[Overdriven]

I dont see what the fuss is, we're all gonna die of Meteor in 2007...

I blame you for this! -

Not going to post anything serious since most people have posted what I've been thinking.

One person got a rep in this thread, obvious who. (no, not Bahu )

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Lamp again.

I.O.U

 

[Gamah]

the meteor isnt until 2034.. makes a pass in 2029 swings round the sun, then comes back our direction..

we'll have a big fuck off laser to blow it out the sky by then :| they have like 25 years to come up with a soloution, and if they fail we all die..i think the world will be able to think of something

 

[Aberrathien]

Well just putting my 2 cents in here. Im afraid this can develop into ww3, if israel makes the move on both syria and iran at the same time they will have the common enemy to focus on, and if the iranians get their hands on former USSR or north korean ICBM´s then we might have a nuclear war on our hands. If they launch on Israel, US will have no other choice but to invade or retaliate... Then the whole middle east/south east asia is gonna blow up with all the small forgotten conflicts blooms up into a not before seen climax.

Thats my thoughts but no, I dont live under my bed hiding from the things I have no control over, I live my ælife normally and just hope if it comes then it will be quick and painless...

 

[Dejavue_69]

the meteor isnt until 2034.. makes a pass in 2029 swings round the sun, then comes back our direction..

well tbh, once i finish my project, ill show you how in the 'south side' we protect our selves from invadÜrz such as "Quote" Big FUCK OFF METEORS "Unquote"

u will see it about 7pm 2nite

 

[tris-]

I thought you said dont watch CNN its the Devil.

Obviously its sometimes ok to watch it

it depends.

if he is cut and pasting his replys from another forum or not. most of the time i think he is. and infact he showed before he did directly cut and paste but didnt source it the first time.

all the other times hes watching CNN so he can copy and paste their oppinions.

and on topic - who cares what happens? we cant stop it etc

 

[Kathal]

and on topic - who cares what happens? we cant stop it etc

True. As said before, we have to rely on these 2 heroes:

And omg they are going to put things right. They are going to pwn everyone in the Middle East, that’s for sure.

 

[Fana]

Joor, don't you realise? You are the propaganda.

Take a step back, and get some of the real facts, not from CNN.

Thats exactly what he means if you didnt realize it. Your view of the world is being shaped by certain western nations using media, who love to report about evil terrorists etc since playing on peoples fear is the best way to sell anything to the populace, be it news or new totalitarian laws. I very much doubt Joor listens to CNN if he holds the beliefes that he does.

Real facts is an illusion anyway - unless you have been present your view of any situation will be tainted by whoever is reporting on it. This goes for big respected mediastations as well as fringe media outlets on the net.

 

[Gahn]

Don't think we are nearer a theorical wwwIII more than we were before, actually probably we are a bit more far from it then before.
It's just that the whole zone is been unsafe for many years and now that there is an huge NATO presence over there, the next in line to get slapped Iran and Siria became nervous and they probably did the worse thing possible, instead of remove their support to Hezbollah, they encourgaed em to hit Israel, right when they unilaterally decided to withdraw from Gaza and occupied territories and recognize Palestina as a state (u can note that Egypt, Lybia and Giordania didn't even piped up about this new "war").
Israel made a wise move, they defo demonstrated that they aren't the core of the problem down there, but only that they are assailed by a bunch of fundamentalists.

 

[Lamp]

Israel made a wise move, they defo demonstrated that they aren't the core of the problem down there, but only that they are assailed by a bunch of fundamentalists.

100% right

 

[Forfid]

I spent the past week viewing the events in the Middle East with growing concern.
The recent attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah against Israel,(with the active political, financial and military support of Iran and Syria) are just the latest acts in this war. It is a war that pits the civilization and the rule of law against the dictatorships of Iran and Syria and the terrorist groups of Hezbollah and Hamas that they support. It is also a war that pits civilized nations against Islamic terrorist groups around the world, most significantly , the al Qaeda network.
We all know the "Global War on Terror". Yet, I believe this label fails to capture the nature and scale of the threat faced by civilization.

I believe the deadly attacks that have recently been carried out across the globe and the plots of mass murder that have been uncovered recently, reflect a scale of challenge much larger than we currently recognize.

The Iran-Syrian-Hezbollah-Hamas Terrorist Alliance

It is necessary to connect the dots to understand the scale of the challenge we face. These are not isolated events: these attackers and plotters are connected in their ultimate aim to destroy the values of freedom, security and religious liberty that sustain civilization in the modern age.

Here's a list of the attacks, provocative acts and uncovered plots that have occurred in just the past seven weeks:

* An Iran-Syrian-Hezbollah-Hamas terrorist alliance is waging war against Israel in both southern Lebanon and Gaza. Hezbollah has launched more than 1,000 rockets into northern Israel in the past few days alone.

* Seven bombings in Mumbai, India, killed more than 200 people.

* North Korea, which is in public contact with Iran, launched seven missiles, including an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting the West coast of the continental United States, in deliberate contempt of repeated warnings from the American and Japanese governments and the United Nations Security Council.

* Seven Americans were seen on video tape in Miami pledging allegiance to al Qaeda.

* A plot to bomb New York City subways and tunnels was discovered.

* Eighteen Canadians, plotting terror, were arrested with twice the explosive force used in the Oklahoma City bombing and a plan to blow up the Canadian parliament.

* The British government reported that it has uncovered more than 20 "major conspiracies" by Islamic terrorists, and as many as 1,200 potential terrorists now live in the United Kingdom.

This is only a recent list. It is in addition to the deadly bombings we witness on an almost daily basis in Baghdad, and previous attacks in New York, Washington, London, Madrid, Bali, Beslan, Jerusalem, Istanbul, Sharm-el-Sheikh, New Delhi, Amman and many other cities.

What Can We Do?

Take the time to make these points to your friends and neighbors who may not yet recognize the nature and scale of this war :

1. Everyone must come to recognize that we are in a world war that pits civilization against terrorists and their state sponsors who wish to impose a new dark age -- with them in charge. Everything our leaders do must be judged by whether it helps or hurts us in defeating terrorists and their state sponsors.
2. Connect the Dots, Then Connect Them Again: We must emphasize that the deadly attacks and threats of destruction we see worldwide are connected.
3. Stand and Deliver: We must take every possible opportunity to engage in arguments and efforts that educate people about the nature of the war and the enormous challenge it will be to defeat terrorists and their state sponsors.

Many things in this Third World War will be very hard. When there have been more than 800 suicide bombers in Iraq alone and several thousand over the last decade worldwide, there is a serious crisis of civilization.

Your Friend,

Joor

The people who made muslam fundamentalism in the first place are now in war against them.
That is the truth.

 

[Forfid]

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[Forfid]

It's just that we are being bombarded 24-7 by mass media coverage which, alas, is reported by poorly informed journalists whose spurious take on the situation fuels the fire of hysteria.

Like cristiano Ronaldo's flame?

 

[Eeben]

lets hope they bomb eachother back to the stone age an we dont have to listen to all that crap from down there..

i feel really bad for those 2 soldiers who got kidnaped by those fucking teorists an for some reason i think its the only real thing to do about them is bomb the shit out of them because they dont understand anything civilised..

 

[noblok]

i think its the only real thing to do about them is bomb the shit out of them because they dont understand anything civilised..

You can't bomb terrorists. Terrorism is too undefined to be the target of a war, it should be fought with counter-terrorism, not with war. You can wage war on a nation though, which is what Israel is doing, just as the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq. It didn't work for the US and I really doubt it will work for Israel.

 

[Eeben]

You can't bomb terrorists. Terrorism is too undefined to be the target of a war, it should be fought with counter-terrorism, not with war. You can wage war on a nation though, which is what Israel is doing, just as the US did in Afghanistan and Iraq. It didn't work for the US and I really doubt it will work for Israel.

my bad what i ment is i think they are doing the right thing about bombing libanon because its their fault for haveing the terrorits an not doing anything about it..

I ofc also feel sorry for all the innocent ppl dieing an loseing their home but if refuse to do anything about haveing terrorists in their country they "deserve" (nobody derserve to die an all that not what im trying to say) to get what they got coming now but then again bombing them only makes the problem worse because lots of ppl will think israel is the devil now but i still stand by countrys who is houseing an supporting terroists deserve to get removed!

 

[Thorwyn]

my bad what i ment is i think they are doing the right thing about bombing libanon because its their fault for haveing the terrorits an not doing anything about it..

So, shall we bomb US, ENG, DEN, GER, FRA, SPA and ITA as well? I mean.. there are terrorists merrily living in those countries and we´re not doing anything against them because nobody even KNOWS that they´re terrorists?

Lets take a look back at the history in this region. Israel was artificially "installed" right on the territory of Palestinia. Would you - living in Denmark - accept it if, say GW Bush decides to create a new country right in your homeland all of a sudden?

The thing is, we need to separate the things we´re fighting for and against. We (as in "the oh so civilized West") must not repeat the mistake we made when we attacked Iraq. Hell.. this Saddam has some WMD and isn´t cooperating with the UNO.. lets bomb him. Turned out that there actually wasn´t any WMD, but hey, the bloody dictator is removed, so grats to us for this act of humanity aka liberating a country. Wasn´t the reason to go there in the first place, but tehehe.. lets not talk about that. Iraq isn´t one inch safer or more civilized by now, but who cares?

Israel doesn´t care about terrorists. At least not about the terrorists that are threatening the Western civilization i.e. Al Qaeda. They´re fighting for the domination in the region and the rather stupid reaction of the palestinian side makes it pretty easy to justify a war like this.

If there´s one thing that the world should have learned by now, then it´s the fact that you CAN NOT fight terrorism with bombs and weapons. It´s impossible. Bombing other countries who´re rumoured to support terrorists is nothing more than a completely blind, helpless act or wrath. It´s not the solution and will never be. For the first time in the history of our culture, we can´t win a fight just by firepower. THIS fight has to be fought on much more subtle and intelligent areas.

just my 5c whatever it´s worth.

 

[Dejavue_69]

well tbh, once i finish my project, ill show you how in the 'south side' we protect our selves from invadÜrz such as "Quote" Big FUCK OFF METEORS "Unquote"

u will see it about 7pm 2nite

Here is my plan, all we need is Gohan to reactivate his account and we are all saved

 

[noblok]

just my 5c whatever it´s worth.

Would've been worth a rep, if I could .

It's still a bit different with Hezbollah though, as they've got a political party in the Lebanese parliament. Then again, Batasuna wasn't prohinited in Spain till 2003 either. I guess the reason why they don't act against Hezbollah is because they can't without starting a civil war. It's hard to act against factions like these, especially when you have no resources and Israel isn't exactly helping them there by bombing their airport and other infrastructure.


Note: I'm not an expert on the Lebanese social and/or political situation, so I may be wrong.

 

[Eeben]

So, shall we bomb US, ENG, DEN, GER, FRA, SPA and ITA as well? I mean.. there are terrorists merrily living in those countries and we´re not doing anything against them because nobody even KNOWS that they´re terrorists?

yes we got terorrists there but dont they try an do something about? as i said they deserve to get bombet because they dont do shit about it..:touch:

 

[Tasslehoff]

You people who say Israel is doing the wrong thing.. If you had suicidebombers every second week, was used to people dying in your city all the time becauise of enemy military fractions bombing the streets, even having tried losing a familymember or a close friend to some terrorist-action and if you were hearing every day, some other countries politicians saying you didn't have a right to be a state, even to exist. Would you tell me, that you would just sit by, hoping that the terrorists would be taken out by their own governments?
Would you not see the retaliation as the right thing to do? Would you not be happy, to finally fight back?
Maybe you'd sit about using more "intelligent" ways of getting the terrorists.. But as long as there is no such thing, as long as that remains a fictive event, what other option do you have?

 

[Thorwyn]

"They" deserve to get bombed. They who? They, the entire country? They, the government? If you´re willing to sacrifice the life of thousands of innocent people just to nuke some "terrorists", then you´re nothing else than exactly this.. a terrorist (not you personally ofc, but the attacking side). Because for the eyes of all those people, there´s no difference. Bombs kill people you love and there´s nothing you can do to stop them.
Again: you can not fight terrorism in that way.

Would you not see the retaliation as the right thing to do? Would you not be happy, to finally fight back?

"Fight back" is a nice euphemism there, because if you look at the history, you´ll find out that Israel isn´t exactly innocent when it comes to the question who actually started the entire thing.
There were more than enough peacetalks during all those years, which were constantly broken or neglected by BOTH sides. It´s not that Israel is only the victim.

 

[noblok]

Maybe you'd sit about using more "intelligent" ways of getting the terrorists.. But as long as there is no such thing, as long as that remains a fictive event, what other option do you have?

There is such a thing: counter-terrorism. You don't fight street gangs by bombing the district either, do you? Research, infiltration, and prevention is the key, not killing innocent citizens.

Another good example of how you can't wage war on terrorism is Afghanistan. Do any of you believe that occupying Afhanistan helped the "war on terrorism"?

 

[Eeben]

"They" deserve to get bombed. They who? They, the entire country? They, the government? If you´re willing to sacrifice the life of thousands of innocent people just to nuke some "terrorists", then you´re nothing else than exactly this.. a terrorist (not you personally ofc, but the attacking side). Because for the eyes of all those people, there´s no difference. Bombs kill people you love and there´s nothing you can do to stop them.
Again: you can not fight terrorism in that way.

Problem is it dont help talking with terrorsits..

 

[Eeben]

There is such a thing: counter-terrorism. You don't fight street gangs by bombing the district either, do you? Research, infiltration, and prevention is the key, not killing innocent citizens.

How much good is that doing when there is no such thing in their country..

 

[Tasslehoff]

"They" deserve to get bombed. They who? They, the entire country? They, the government? If you´re willing to sacrifice the life of thousands of innocent people just to nuke some "terrorists", then you´re nothing else than exactly this.. a terrorist (not you personally ofc, but the attacking side). Because for the eyes of all those people, there´s no difference. Bombs kill people you love and there´s nothing you can do to stop them.
Again: you can not fight terrorism in that way.



"Fight back" is a nice euphemism there, because if you look at the history, you´ll find out that Israel isn´t exactly innocent when it comes to the question who actually started the entire thing.
There were more than enough peacetalks during all those years, which were constantly broken or neglected by BOTH sides. It´s not that Israel is only the victim.

Okay, so seriously, your parents has always told you, that you are not to take the bus or walk the big roads because there is a slight chance you'll get blown to pieces.
Then you see some Israelian soldiers getting killed. Then you see a bomb getting dropped somewhere in some city in Israel. Then your mother's best friends daugther is killed.
You know all the people that died were due to Palestinian terrorists. Yet you wouldn't place any blame on them
You'd just sit around, thinking: There's nothing to do, not reason to start a fight. Would you blame your government for bombing locations they thought were militant?

 

[Thorwyn]

I never said it does.

 

[noblok]

How much good is that doing when there is no such thing in their country..

Well, Israeli agents could operate in Lebanon...

Just to make this clear: I don't agree with what the terrorists are doing either.