On verge of WWIII?...

[Darksword]

I spent the past week viewing the events in the Middle East with growing concern.
The recent attacks by Hamas and Hezbollah against Israel,(with the active political, financial and military support of Iran and Syria) are just the latest acts in this war. It is a war that pits the civilization and the rule of law against the dictatorships of Iran and Syria and the terrorist groups of Hezbollah and Hamas that they support. It is also a war that pits civilized nations against Islamic terrorist groups around the world, most significantly , the al Qaeda network.
We all know the "Global War on Terror". Yet, I believe this label fails to capture the nature and scale of the threat faced by civilization.

I believe the deadly attacks that have recently been carried out across the globe and the plots of mass murder that have been uncovered recently, reflect a scale of challenge much larger than we currently recognize.

The Iran-Syrian-Hezbollah-Hamas Terrorist Alliance

It is necessary to connect the dots to understand the scale of the challenge we face. These are not isolated events: these attackers and plotters are connected in their ultimate aim to destroy the values of freedom, security and religious liberty that sustain civilization in the modern age.

Here's a list of the attacks, provocative acts and uncovered plots that have occurred in just the past seven weeks:

* An Iran-Syrian-Hezbollah-Hamas terrorist alliance is waging war against Israel in both southern Lebanon and Gaza. Hezbollah has launched more than 1,000 rockets into northern Israel in the past few days alone.

* Seven bombings in Mumbai, India, killed more than 200 people.

* North Korea, which is in public contact with Iran, launched seven missiles, including an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting the West coast of the continental United States, in deliberate contempt of repeated warnings from the American and Japanese governments and the United Nations Security Council.

* Seven Americans were seen on video tape in Miami pledging allegiance to al Qaeda.

* A plot to bomb New York City subways and tunnels was discovered.

* Eighteen Canadians, plotting terror, were arrested with twice the explosive force used in the Oklahoma City bombing and a plan to blow up the Canadian parliament.

* The British government reported that it has uncovered more than 20 "major conspiracies" by Islamic terrorists, and as many as 1,200 potential terrorists now live in the United Kingdom.

This is only a recent list. It is in addition to the deadly bombings we witness on an almost daily basis in Baghdad, and previous attacks in New York, Washington, London, Madrid, Bali, Beslan, Jerusalem, Istanbul, Sharm-el-Sheikh, New Delhi, Amman and many other cities.

What Can We Do?

Take the time to make these points to your friends and neighbors who may not yet recognize the nature and scale of this war :

1. Everyone must come to recognize that we are in a world war that pits civilization against terrorists and their state sponsors who wish to impose a new dark age -- with them in charge. Everything our leaders do must be judged by whether it helps or hurts us in defeating terrorists and their state sponsors.
2. Connect the Dots, Then Connect Them Again: We must emphasize that the deadly attacks and threats of destruction we see worldwide are connected.
3. Stand and Deliver: We must take every possible opportunity to engage in arguments and efforts that educate people about the nature of the war and the enormous challenge it will be to defeat terrorists and their state sponsors.

Many things in this Third World War will be very hard. When there have been more than 800 suicide bombers in Iraq alone and several thousand over the last decade worldwide, there is a serious crisis of civilization.

Your Friend,

Joor

go.suck.a.dick

what about the america-israel throat fucking alliance?

your a fucking idiot? oh wait no... there civilised...
thats why over 20% of america is illiterate...
thats why israels built a wall seperating the people...
oh yeh and thats why israels allowed nuclear bombs in the middle east when other countries are denied them...


Look it comes down to this; They dont want america in the middle east, its that simple, get out.

Iran has been seeking nuclear power for a long time, not just the past year but they have been exploring it for a long time before it went public. Iran was offered a place in the EU market, for open trade with EU nations etc, thats guaranteed! economic prosperity and greater acceptance. But they decided they want nuclear power. why? Because its worth so much more, to be seen as a potential world threat trumps any economic prosperity, why should one of the worlds largest oil reserves be a push over to america and the west? Iran knows that america has its own oil, but isnt using it, why? because in 20 years time, that oil is going to be inconceivably valuable. So why should Iran have to relly on its oil, when it could do so much more with nuclear power? and why should america be allowed to control the rest of the world because its got nuclear power and a strong economy?

im not putting all the blame on america tho, i know what hammas has done etc, and the problems iran is causing, and syria.

But the blame has to be shared, israel and hammas are acting on behalf of the other nations, being pushed to extremes. it seems fitting that hte next big war may be fought over "religious" divisons, in a society which is apparantly becoming less religious.

 

[Blackjack]

yeah, and hes probably right to. after WW3 there wont be anything left then sticks and stones to use as a weapon....

If sticks and stones made it... you can be 100% sure
AK-47's made it aswell.

 

[Darksword]

Update.
I just read on cnn

Z0MGERS THATS SOOOOOOOO WIERD COZ I WAS JUST WATCHING FOX NEWS YEAH?!...

 

[Ezteq]

hmm ok so we're supposed to be airing our views and opionions on this subject which imo is actually bad enough as it is, can we leave out the personal attacks eh?
if you dont agree with someones post it does not mean they are stupid or wrong it simply means you dont agree with them and its kind of spoiling the thread when people who might be tempted to post their views get put off from doing so by certain people and their language/attitudes.


Everyone has a right to their own point of view and if they can explain how they feel without resorting to abusing individual posters then they dont deserve to be abused in turn. dont go ruining a good thread by being mean guys please.

 

[Coldbeard]

agreek with the pirate above

 

[Cylian]

in a way it was. only reason no shots were fired (that we ever heard of anyway) was that both Soviet and america had nukes....

and concidering how FUCKING close we actually WERE at getting a nuke war when soviet started planting nukes in cuba (about 5 minutes away from america starting to take actions against it i think) this "problem" sounds pretty damn secondary imo

didn't the US place Nukes in Turkey a few months before ? Which would be 5 minutes away from the soviets.

 

[Bahumat]

I think hasslehoff should go out there and make them all friends with his sexy singing!

 

[Sparx]

Update.
I just read on cnn

I thought you said dont watch CNN its the Devil.

Obviously its sometimes ok to watch it

 

[Kathal]

i think a few of those islamic fundamentalists might have looked on a map after the whole cartoon thing

And they gave up. But the brightest one down there said: "Hey Denmark is the capital of Sweden. Hmm . . . (At this point he is scratching his head) . . . ,this says that the capital of Sweden is called Stockholm. YEY, LETS BOMB STOCKHOLM!!!"

Best thing that could happen was clean energy so we could leave to lowlife losers alone. Sad that the US NEEDS their resources down there

 

[Lamp]

I don't think we are on the verge of WWIII.

What's happening in the Middle East right now has been going on for the past 60 years, ever since Israel was granted international recognition by virtue of the Declaration of the Establishment of the State of Israel on 14 May 1948.

Israel has always been surrounded by countries who want Israel wiped off the map. Israel is the only Jewish state in the world, a guaranteed home for the world's Jewry. It won the right to be recognised as an international state, and it is defending its land and people in this respect.

There has always been conflict between Israel and its neighbours. Here are a few milestones:

1948 Arab-Israeli War
1956 Suez War
1967 Six-Days War
1968 War of Attrition
1973 Yom Kippur War
1982 Lebanon War
1987 First Intifada
2000 Second Intifada
2006 Arab-Israeli Conflict

What is occuring at the moment poses no more threats to world peace that previous conflicts. It's just that we are being bombarded 24-7 by mass media coverage which, alas, is reported by poorly informed journalists whose spurious take on the situation fuels the fire of hysteria.

This is nothing new.

Yes, there is a risk of escalation. But there has ever been such a risk.

Yes, if Israel is hit with chemical weapons they will retaliate with nuclear weapons - because if the very security of the State of Israel is threatened then Israel has nothing to lose. Again, this is nothing new. Israel has had nuclear weapons for 40 years. They are ever prepared to use them should their country's existence be in danger.

No one wants nuclear war. Everyone loses.

No one wants mass escalation. This will NOT turn into World War III.

As most, there will be a temporary hike in petrol prices due to a bull oil market.

This is a local conflict. And one day there will be a cease-fire of hostilities, for a little while, then it will start up again. Conflict is part and parcel of Middle Eastern existence.

 

[kivik]

Doooooooooooooo0000000oooom!!!!1

 

[Thorwyn]

No one wants nuclear war. Everyone loses.

This is true when both (or all) sides are eye to eye, like it was the case during the cold war in the 70s and 80s. Both camps were coexisting and strong enough to survive.
However, if the balance is lost and when one side has control, the losing side might consider that "everyone loses" is the best option, as in "if we´re going down, you´ll be going down with us".

In addition, you must never underestimate the impressive lack of reasoning when two religions are clashing together.

I don´t think that this conflict is going to escalate though. As Lamp said, the media is currently on a rampage, fueling the fear (and people in fear are always a good thing because they´re easier to handle and more willing to support uncomfortable decisions).

Which would be 5 minutes away from the soviets.

Sorry about the nitpicking... but there is no "soviet" anymore.

 

[Lamp]

Sorry about the nitpicking... but there is no "soviet" anymore.

I don't want to nitpick, but shouldn't "soviet" have a capital "S" ?

 

[Ryuno]

I think some people need to stop believing everything they read in the papers and on the internet... (ahem)

Like has already been said, these conflicts have been going on for a long time now. Theres nothing new about all this, and I certainly don't believe we're anywhere near WWIII.

 

[Thorwyn]

I don't want to nitpick, but shouldn't "soviet" have a capital "S" ?

No, actually it´s "Moscow"

(ok.. that was my bad pun for today )

 

[Ryuno]

then we hear stories about the evil terrorists, the greatest evil in the world and I just refuse to be a part of this propaganda any longer.

Joor, don't you realise? You are the propaganda.

Take a step back, and get some of the real facts, not from CNN.

 

[Penguin]

Funny. I saw a book titled along the lines of "Can we avoid WW3 around 2010?" or similar.

Who knows. Things seem to be hotting up over there. President Bush is already onto it though "Stop doing this shit!"

 

[Lamp]

This is not aimed at anyone in particular.

My local petrol station was closed today. People were panic buying fuel because of the Middle East situation.

Fools.

Last week some guy on the radio phoned into say people were panic buying water cos they thought the hot weather would cause a drinking water shortage.

Idiots.

With today's instant microwavable internet, no one seems to have anything intelligent to say. Its all copy, paste, rumour, conspiracy theory, I'll post this even though I don't know what it means bull shit.

Research. Learn. Be educated. Be informed. Form an independent opinion. Listen to both sides of an argument. Think before you speak. Try to come across as someone who's thought about the consequences of publishing irresponsibly. These seem to have been completely disregarded these days. Shame. No wonder the standard of some journalism, and 90% of internet posts are total shite.

 

[Cylian]

Sorry about the nitpicking... but there is no "soviet" anymore.

at that time there was, unless there's a new cuba crisis atm

(capital S would be correct though )

 

[Kathal]

A plain will fall from the sky within the next 13 days. Mark my words.
Uhh, if it comes true I must be able to predict the future.
Guess only morons believe that shit

Its like when ppl are on ML raids with 200 ppl and 2 or 3 ppl roll 100 in a /random 100 and ppl are going "OMFG!!!!"
Take a step back and use your brain. LOADS of ppl have been guessing when WW3 is going to happen. My guess is that a FEW of them is right. Are they special? Do they have special powers? Nope, they just GUESSED right

EDIT:

This is not aimed at anyone in particular. . .

Repped.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Actually would be fair to call it Soviet Union, since noone calls USA the United or the UK the...United...err...can't you people come up with a synonym to United?!

 

[Thorwyn]

at that time there was, unless there's a new cuba crisis atm

aaah.. sorry, I didn´t read the context and that you were talking about the past.

/me crawls back into the pond again.

 

[Lamp]

Can we get back *on* topic please. This was an interesting...thread until it started deviating about nitpicking on one word.

 

[Thorwyn]

I agree.. but then, my initial "nitpicking" was just an appendix to an ontopic reply... whereas your reply...

 

[Lamp]

I agree.. but then, my initial "nitpicking" was just an appendix to an ontopic reply... whereas your reply...

LOL fair enough. Now can we put this to bed now ?

 

[Calaen]

isnt Joors first post going against everything he was telling us about 9/11?

Anyway who gives a fuck they can going on killing each other as far as I am concerned I will worry when its at my door and I can shoot back.

oh and Joor Fuck Off!!!

 

[Lamp]

they can going on killing each other as far as I am concerned I will worry when its at my door and I can shoot back.

Terrorism is at everyone's door m8

 

[Job]

WW3 is going to start over the Middle East, it's more likely to be China as it starts to overtake America, Arab nukes are only a threat to themselves, and if they do get the range then the US will strike the factories with Israeli help.

Actually I would count an impending nuclear war as kinda exciting...we all gotta go sometime, dodging thermonuclear explosions sure beats dying in your chair at work.

 

[Calaen]

Terrorism is at everyone's door m8

I disagree, I have 6 cats who sit on my door step and they have passed on evidence collected over the period of 4 weeks. Taking this evidence into consideration leads me to believe that the only thing on my door step is the postman myself or a dead present from my pussies.

 

[Lamp]

What about North Korea ? Iran ? India v Pakistan ?

And how long before a well-funded terrorist organisation is able to manufacture a viable nuclear device ? Or even release a lethal chemical nerve agent in a densely populated metropolis ?

I think the latter is more worrying to be honest.