oh well

[Puppet]

how you ae nuke something when the moment you step in sight your nuked to hell?

Ask a stealther to target a shroom; jump up; assist him then jumpcast a AE nuke.

Quickcast, MoC, send in a tank to take the initial aggro; AE mezz em and then nuke em together; im sure the typical wizard can cast 2 AE nukes in the time it takes a shroom to initiate a nuke on you.

Oh and shrooms got like what, 400 hp ? 2-3 salvos from a goldenspear AE would be fine; get 2-3 stealthers to use em on the shrooms instead to leech RP's and you be fine.

But hey; cool to see tactics > numbers; always thought New Frontiers was all about numbers; as was proven on various servers... Phew it aint on Prydwen huh

 

[Araudry]

My grp got more than 150 deathblows in the "lord" defence

And there wasn't 5fg+ at the lord room, I was there all along and kinda saw the hibs a lot more than you did ^^ was 3-4fgs

And yes tehre were hibs outside attacking the gates, but you coulda cleared lords room then zerged them, if you wanted, and dind't suck ofc

how can u clear room with chanter camping behind wall spamming pbaoe didnt know it was possible to pbaoe like that since nf too almost same shit as before
so alb tried to rush they got pwnd and rest followed

and i got 150 db but i joined group late cause i went to watch a movie it was like 150 db in 1~ hours ^^

 

[Alyssania]

Problem with nuking/dotting shrooms in keeps comes from the LoS. Cant do it anywhere and when you get LoS its insta 15*100+ damage... But again people use what they can and albs in keeps have nothing. Ice wizzies totally useless spec unless in PvE compared to fire so cant play that. Hibbies get debuff nuking with pbaoe line.

And not saying albs dont have some nice stuff like theurg etc but we talking about keeptakes now I think.

 

[Edlina]

how can u clear room with chanter camping behind wall spamming pbaoe didnt know it was possible to pbaoe like that since nf too almost same shit as before
so alb tried to rush they got pwnd and rest followed

and i got 150 db but i joined group late cause i went to watch a movie it was like 150 db in 1~ hours ^^

Same way we cleared the mg at the rk would be a possibility?

Send in 2-3 ppl with PS to take initial aggro then run in wizards use the wizard ra covereing the whole floor and then charge with all aoe stuff you got (especially ST)...

Could also set up lots of trebs and volley but have to co-ordinate fire then.

And we had 3 or 4 pb casters there, not that bad, have all tanks charge past the wall and attack support behind the pbers? While using mincer insta stun on the casters or ST...

There's tons of options, a few VP or/and TWF should do the trick too...

 

[Luinmir]

I dont know why ppl Blame Animist Still!!!!
They are nerf to the teeths, 60% lower HP on Shrooms and More aggro to Caster. 1 Mezz from you longrange Sorc and they are out of the question or 1-2 shot them with area nuke and they are dead.
Animist cant hold up 15 Shrooms all the time becouse it cost to much POWER.
And dont say FOP, becouse Animist dont get any Power regen from fop if the Shrooms are hitting any enemy or Mob!

Its easyer to say Nerf instead of try to understand and Avoid it instead!

Learn from your misstakes and go on

This Post is also made on the other RR thread.

 

[Araudry]

Same way we cleared the mg at the rk would be a possibility?

Send in 2-3 ppl with PS to take initial aggro then run in wizards use the wizard ra covereing the whole floor and then charge with all aoe stuff you got (especially ST)...

Could also set up lots of trebs and volley but have to co-ordinate fire then.

And we had 3 or 4 pb casters there, not that bad, have all tanks charge past the wall and attack support behind the pbers? While using mincer insta stun on the casters or ST...

There's tons of options, a few VP or/and TWF should do the trick too...

actualy lord room is the ONLY safe place in a keep so its a bit hard to target with treb or anything even with AOE whatever since u have to run thru 50 hibs ...
and at mg first time u went mg u got wiped cause a good fg was camping (with 1 cleric hehe)
then we left u tried again and passed but it was mostly ungrouped alb (random) so it was pretty easy for ur zerg while alb were lacking ppl anyways

 

[Sardine]

actualy lord room is the ONLY safe place in a keep so its a bit hard to target with treb or anything even with AOE whatever since u have to run thru 50 hibs ...
and at mg first time u went mg u got wiped cause a good fg was camping (with 1 cleric hehe)
then we left u tried again and passed but it was mostly ungrouped alb (random) so it was pretty easy for ur zerg while alb were lacking ppl anyways

and because hibs used a different tactic to get past, read up.

 

[Ketinna]

and i got 150 db but i joined group late cause i went to watch a movie it was like 150 db in 1~ hours ^^

will write this down, since it seems very important and mentationed twice in a reply where it had nothing whatsoever to do with the subject

 

[gillan]

how can u clear room with chanter camping behind wall spamming pbaoe didnt know it was possible to pbaoe like that since nf too almost same shit as before
so alb tried to rush they got pwnd and rest followed

and i got 150 db but i joined group late cause i went to watch a movie it was like 150 db in 1~ hours ^^

eazy, there were 2 or 3 pb's there I think, two of them in my grp me (umpa) and StigIngeVig, just do what you did multiple times, FZ pb's down the stairs run up and kill the rest -or- do a joint venture and run up all at the same time. What you 'dont' do is run up 6-7 ppl at the time, wasent even funny looking at the alb doormat of doom at the stairs, beeing an ex alb and all.
And I think you got the number all wrong, were 3-4 four groups in that room, think the friendly Necro in shadeform that was up there can confirm that.

 

[Araudry]

eazy, there were 2 or 3 pb's there I think, two of them in my grp me (umpa) and StigIngeVig, just do what you did multiple times, FZ pb's down the stairs run up and kill the rest -or- do a joint venture and run up all at the same time. What you 'dont' do is run up 6-7 ppl at the time, wasent even funny looking at the alb doormat of doom at the stairs, beeing an ex alb and all.
And I think you got the number all wrong, were 3-4 four groups in that room, think the friendly Necro in shadeform that was up there can confirm that.

yea 3-4 fg at lord room not moving and more on roof etc it was more than 5fg and 5fg+ on inner doors dunno where u get ur numbers but rly u should get a clue if u cant compare 3-4 fg to 5fg+ 5+fg
so u are like saying we hib (3fg) instead of 10+ fg lol
and yes it was like 10fg in total all those inside and outside alb were outnumbered for sure

will write this down, since it seems very important and mentationed twice in a reply where it had nothing whatsoever to do with the subject

so why u bother posting a reply if its so important as u say ?

 

[Araudry]

and because hibs used a different tactic to get past, read up.

wtf are u talking about maybe u should read up urself u playing daoc?

 

[Edlina]

Ara it was 3-4fg hibs in the room and on the roof (people went up and down a little bit)

Maybe you should listen to what the people actually inside the room is saying instead of what you saw the maybe 1 time you actually came up and around the corner to even see the hibs...

But yes there were 5fg+ hibs on the doors as well aproximately, but it was 102 albs who killed the lord (from deathspam), and was about 80 hibs there in total, so you were actually outnumbering us.

 

[Aran Thule]

and at mg first time u went mg u got wiped cause a good fg was camping (with 1 cleric hehe)
then we left u tried again and passed but it was mostly ungrouped alb (random) so it was pretty easy for ur zerg while alb were lacking ppl anyways

Not quite right, first time we got wiped because i was half asleep and misread something and led 1-2 lost groups straight at the milegate.
Came back and heard that albs were on surs, and risked that it would hold long enough for us to get past the MG.

im still shaking my head with everyone complaining that we arnt underpopulated.
The differance is that for the last year or two ive been running my MARR (Mass Assault Relic Raid) which people have had a lot of fun on.
Therefore you will find that most of the realm turns up for them.

NF is a big improvement for the casual hibbie, as its no longer a case of spending half hour trying to form a group, run 10 minutes then get killed in 5 second by a GG in/near emain.
The other realms complained at not seeing any of us and now that a few more of us come out i keep hearing whine.

Oh and before people ask 'why the alb str relic'...
I didnt make my decision until the force moved, albs had a mid keep so the easy route would have been to attack mid also.
However as the albs were on the 'power' keeps that would mean we should probably try for the mid str, now assuming we took it that would mean that all albs had to do was raid us and they would get all 3.
Scouts are bad enough as it is without and extra 20% damage.
So we went to alb, and you will be suprised to here that noone disagreed, i dont remember seeing one person saying 'go mid its easier'.
We worked together and it worked, now i expect alb will be attacking in force soon, see you on the frontiers. <grin>

 

[Araudry]

Ara it was 3-4fg hibs in the room and on the roof (people went up and down a little bit)

Maybe you should listen to what the people actually inside the room is saying instead of what you saw the maybe 1 time you actually came up and around the corner to even see the hibs...

i was there went almost on roof then went back down saw it wasnt 3 fg when i see like 40 ppl even more imo its 5fg+ not 3-4 fg try to learn counting or something cause i know i m right i can still remember from last night i dont have half a brain working

 

[Araudry]

Not quite right, first time we got wiped because i was half asleep and misread something and led 1-2 lost groups straight at the milegate.
Came back and heard that albs were on surs, and risked that it would hold long enough for us to get past the MG.

yea first time u get wiped cause our group was there second time u passed cause we went on surs just simple
now u try to find excuse yea i was half asleep send 2-3 fg straight to suic thats what u are actualy saying sad rly..

 

[Sardine]

wtf are u talking about maybe u should read up urself u playing daoc?

oops, thought we were talking about diablo ;<

 

[VidX]

There was exactly 29 people inside the keep, 4fg less me, Ramble and Maeloch, due to me dying before getting into the keep, Ramble being locked out of the inner keep when it was taken, and Maeloch dying before getting in.

There was also the remainder of the /bg attacking the outer door, /bg count showing 73 people at the time, so we were still outnumbered 3:4, with the ones inside the keep outnumbered nearly 1:4.

4 reasons why Alb lost the relic last night, by their own fault:
1) When Hibs started taking keeps, the majority of the Albs insisted on staying in Glenlock, until we had taken the first keep and a few towers.
2) Albs lack of wiling leaders, no organisation
3) Instead of staying at the milegate, some Albs decided to go retake Surs, by then a lvl 3 keep, with 9 people.
4)

but anyways i never got so much db in a short time i made like 150 deathblows for the night fecking ld fucked my db grrr

The players best capable of dealing leading by example are too interested in racking up kills and RPs instead of helping defend their realm. THAT is why Hib is doing so well, our high RR players are fully willing to help in all ways towards the realms benefit.

 

[Ketinna]

so why u bother posting a reply if its so important as u say ?

at least I stick to the topic of posting stuff that only makes me look like an idiot, to bad i wasnt the one who started :/

 

[Araudry]

There was exactly 29 people inside the keep, 4fg less me, Ramble and Maeloch, due to me dying before getting into the keep, Ramble being locked out of the inner keep when it was taken, and Maeloch dying before getting in.

There was also the remainder of the /bg attacking the outer door, /bg count showing 73 people at the time, so we were still outnumbered 3:4, with the ones inside the keep outnumbered nearly 1:4.

4 reasons why Alb lost the relic last night, by their own fault:
1) When Hibs started taking keeps, the majority of the Albs insisted on staying in Glenlock, until we had taken the first keep and a few towers.
2) Albs lack of wiling leaders, no organisation
3) Instead of staying at the milegate, some Albs decided to go retake Surs, by then a lvl 3 keep, with 9 people.
4)
The players best capable of dealing leading by example are too interested in racking up kills and RPs instead of helping defend their realm. THAT is why Hib is doing so well, our high RR players are fully willing to help in all ways towards the realms benefit.

first it wasnt 29 ppl inside dunno where u get ur numbers but its wrong or i have seen some ghost huhu lol?
yea hibs outnumbered alb or almost and u say 1:4 lolage m8 i see where u get ur numbers totally right..


and for leading zerg i never liked it and i hate having 10 sec lag stuck to my ass

 

[Awarkle]

im just wondering what kind of systems people are running if thye keep whining about lag i think my system is pretty sub par being a 1.4 athalon with 700 meg of ram running toa client in windowed mode.

I dont seem to suffer from that bad frame loss or lag.

Anyways i turned up late and arrived at the beno take got nuked about 10 times in the space of 5 minutes by the alb casters.

Well run by aran a bit of confusion when i was asked to get a scout boat and when i returned everyone had run off but all met up.

Not to throw in any ideas but why dont at least 1 or 2 wizes spec earth if you had access to gtaoe classes then you could gtaoe the mushrooms without getting into los.

Its no point whining you dont have the tools to stop shroom stacks because you do people just refuse to use it because its not a leet spec. Shrooms are easier now to take out than old frontiers.

Someone on the VN boards said that shrooms are now easier to negate you cant have more than 100 up (that includes all pets titans and battlewarders) per zone and most animists only ever shroom defensivly.

If you really really feel that hibernia shouldnt diserve the underpopulation bonus then re roll here so we dont get it.

Anywho well done to PE at the end i think i heard they following us in a boat i went and ran interfearance outside of nged and i didnt make that much rps. yes it was late night / early morning and i think all the hibs on the relic raid payed for it the next morning just get people to stop rolling scouts and roll some utility casters

nice dottage from onigirl and pbuck grrrrrrrr 500 dd nukes hurts (btw still not spellcrafted mental note)

 

[VidX]

first it wasnt 29 ppl inside dunno where u get ur numbers but its wrong or i have seen some ghost huhu lol?
yea hibs outnumbered alb or almost and u say 1:4 lolage m8 i see where u get ur numbers totally right..


and for leading zerg i never liked it and i hate having 10 sec lag stuck to my ass

I know there was 29 people in the keep, cause I know exactly what groups were there, and who was missing.

Can you name them?

I think not, now stfu and get facts and stop talking BS.

 

[Araudry]

I know there was 29 people in the keep, cause I know exactly what groups were there, and who was missing.

Can you name them?

I think not, now stfu and get facts and stop talking BS.

yes and i even noticed so many stealthers was in etc ohh but they were all grouped i believe and u counted them all heh
and yes i can name them all i have a list etc roflmao.. rly u just being a retard but anyways u make me laugh

 

[willowywicca]

I'm curious what happened to the supposed 100albs who took surs anyway, since when you wiped us there was only 60~ alb deathspams, including repeats from those who died and got quickly ressed during the charge down. hibs outnumbered albsat surs (and for the rest of the night) , all your talk tactics about taking out shrooms have some heavy flaws to them.. firstly they all assume that no new shrooms are ever being cast "yes a single ae dot will kill them all!!" by the time it's ticked enough to kill them a whole new set of shrooms can have been placed, and all other go up and ae them tactics result in the person who attempts this dying because of the pbaoe spam before you get los to them. And yes, pbaoe through walls does still work (only through doors was fixed it seems) so there's really very little hope of getting up to do anything.. as for sending in ps people.. uhm, what exactly are they going to achieve? Alb doesn't have a class who can ae insta mezz after ps ends, we have scouts.. oh yeah, they'll achieve a lot in the 1.5 seconds before they die.. and mincers.. who could maybe insta stun someone for 3 seconds duration..

"We worked together and it worked, now i expect alb will be attacking in force soon, see you on the frontiers. <grin>"
Why? It's quite thoroughly pointless attacking hib keeps unless you can outnumber them 3 to 1, and on prydwen we can't.

 

[bigchief]

but nevermind, most hib stealthers are shite anyways and have to run in groups of 4+ so the bonus makes no difference. most groups caster based afteral.

Logged on just after lunch today to find a group of 6 rr6+ ns/rangers stood in the middle of beno bridge with 2 more at the end ><

 

[Awarkle]

its all down to mana conservation a animist will burn through his / her entire mana bar to plant down around 8 to10 lvl 50 mushrooms 2 aoe nukes or an aoe dot will take down the entire stack leaving the dooter/aoe nuker with mana for more nukes.

if the animist has access to a fop + mana regen (all ments are light now ) then it will take time for the animist to regen enough mana to plant down more mushrooms.

Therefore on a mana to mana ration the aoe nukers are in a better position than the animist as they will still have power to kill with as where im normally sat down regenning or in my case loosing rez sickness

The other option is AOE mezz the whole stack and hope the animist hasnt got his main pet up in the stack as well.

 

[Evul]

yea first time u get wiped cause our group was there second time u passed cause we went on surs just simple
now u try to find excuse yea i was half asleep send 2-3 fg straight to suic thats what u are actualy saying sad rly..

So you'd rather take a keep then defend relics? GG!!!!!!!11

 

[leviathane]

some people take this game way to seriously

 

[Ischtap]

So you'd rather take a keep then defend relics? GG!!!!!!!11

You know Araud only cares about DBs.

 

[Araudry]

You know Araud only cares about DBs.

givf 200 db ^^

 

[Corran]

Same way we cleared the mg at the rk would be a possibility?

Send in 2-3 ppl with PS to take initial aggro then run in wizards use the wizard ra covereing the whole floor and then charge with all aoe stuff you got (especially ST)...

Could also set up lots of trebs and volley but have to co-ordinate fire then.

And we had 3 or 4 pb casters there, not that bad, have all tanks charge past the wall and attack support behind the pbers? While using mincer insta stun on the casters or ST...

There's tons of options, a few VP or/and TWF should do the trick too...

phase shift wont safe the incoming wizards from 2-3%pbaoe chanters sitting at opening though will it? Infact unless you have a couple of DI2or3 clerics in group you wont get up and into the room clearly to have a go. If you had to fight against this then you would know, however you dont so basing it on what you merely think. And twf hard to get off up there without said clerics once more as you gotta be still for a couple seconds to cast it