Off-topic Mafia #9 Game Thread

[Levin]

3 people besides me think there's reason enough and even Levin, the one defending you the most(if any) stated i have good points.

About you Levin, it's simple, it makes you look guilty when you state something that makes you look innocent either way.

As in, won't take any chances, but IF one would take one, i don't wat to be ebil.

Innocents rarely need to do that kind of defending on their actions.

Your past has nothing to do with it really, first time liar is still a liar.

But, like i said, i'm voting for golena and won't get into another debate since it won't change my mind. Time to play this game a bit more simple.

It sounds a lot to me like Golena has dismantled your attack theory though. My vote stands firm as well. And I am really wondering about your own innocence Tohtori. Just as you claim my actions make me look guilty, I have to say your attack style make you look equally guilty. Throwing all focus on your targets so they have to defend themselves and leave no room to question YOU. Golena met your arguments brilliantly and now you are just "not going to change your mind". Fair enough, but I hope others see what's going on. Basicly we have you and Ch3tan who have accused me of being mafia. You want people to vote for Golena. Well, you're not winning my vote over, that's for sure.

About the fuck yous and such, no I wouldn't do that myself. I take such wordings kind of seriously and would probably leave the game thread if it was said to me without a hint attached that it was said in a joking manner. Maybe we have different experiences with such word usage in the past. Maybe i'm over sensitive, I have no idea.. I just know that i don't enjoy the mood it creates.

I guess it's the heat wave.. making people chop eachother's heads off in here.

 

[Golena]

Ok Golena i think you've done it long enough and could you post some results for it now?

If you ask this in a less cryptic way then sure. I've no idea what your on about tho!

 

[old.Tohtori]

In the spirit of sportsmanship since it's just a game then i'll appologise if you took offence at it.
In my defence I did point out which line I wrote and how you changed it to mean something different from what I had intended, and how it was written. It wasn't a Toht is twisting stuff argument I was using, it was a person X had twisted line Y and here's the line and response to it, argument I used.

Yeah, you'll get to the post i made about that soon.(thinking you're lagging a bit there), it's all cools and my fault.

 

[Levin]

Well, i'm off for tonight. No hard feelings for anyone, I hope! Let's all hug!

*group hug!*

 

[Golena]

I think i've posted enough for now.
I'm heading afk for a while to let people catch up and read my essays.

Unvote

I'll take my vote of Ch3tan since he pointed out that I missed his reply. I'm not convinced I have all the answers off him I want, but i'm much less sure of his guilt that I was, so it's time to rethink.

 

[old.Tohtori]

If you ask this in a less cryptic way then sure. I've no idea what your on about tho!

Damnit..you don't?

 

[Golena]

Yeah, you'll get to the post i made about that soon.(thinking you're lagging a bit there), it's all cools and my fault.

I read it, I just wanted to make sure you didn't have the wrong idea. Lets move on and continue the bickering in the true mafia spirit.. You can get back to hanging me now.

 

[Golena]

Damnit..you don't?

I've got a sort of idea what you might of meant.. But i've no idea if i'm right, and if I am then saying I know what your on about sort of defeats the purpose.

I'll let you see if you can figure that one out..!

 

[old.Tohtori]

I read it, I just wanted to make sure you didn't have the wrong idea. Lets move on and continue the bickering in the true mafia spirit.. You can get back to hanging me now.

One great word, learnt from...somewhere...bygones!

I've got a sort of idea what you might of meant.. But i've no idea if i'm right, and if I am then saying I know what your on about sort of defeats the purpose.

I'll let you see if you can figure that one out..!

Aaah, well, that makes sense and yes, true.

Ohwell, guess it's not yet a good way to go.

 

[Ch3tan]

You've argued why you think a no lynch is a good idea. You've not argued why you think a no lynch before any other discussion or voting has taken place is a good idea.

Are you trying to say you knew as much on your first post as you do now?
Do you not think the last 10 pages have told you NOTHING?
It's not the fact that you argued no lynch that i'm arguing against, it's the fact that you made it so quickly.

If the no lynch argument you had holds true, why arn't you still voting that way? Do you think that you've learn't something that you wouldn't of otherwise that meant an early "before anyone has voted" no lynch would be a bad idea?

Can you not see why i'd also think that, and pull you up on it?

You did not ask for that info, you simply said you wanted a reason for the no lynch.

Ask for the info you want fully and then you will not waffle and make so many mistakes. Which make you look guilty.

 

[Golena]

Quick run through of my thoughts so far, because I know i'm losing track.

Morphius - One random throwaway comment is the main suspition here. Not really much to go on. My suspition is that while placing the 4th vote on me he said it's better than a no-lynch. Had I been voted off then i'm curious as to what information he'd of got other than I was innocent given I would of been voted off very quickly. A lynch tells information, but i'm not sure there was enough action before his vote to really gather that much. It's flimsy but isn't everything on day 1?

Rubric - Well erm, yeah.

Levin - In my views not guilty at the moment since he's been very objective with his posts so far.

Olgaline - Again he's not rushed into anything and tried to provide useful counters to arguments, didn't join the bandwagon on me early, no reason to suspect anything here from my point of view either.

Fl3a - Quick no lynch then very little from him. Not suspicious mainly through innactivity, although he did warn us he would be so not going to hold that against him.

Golena - Public enemy number 1. I'd lynch asap!

Old.Tohtori - I've started to think he's innocent from his recent posts. If he is and he's doing what I think he's doing then he's a genious, but i'll let other people decide if they see it the same way.

Kirennia - Wants a no lynch but has provided good reasoning for it. No real suspition here unless he's got a feel for who the cop is. That's entering real realms of speculation however.

Ch3tan - Again joined the bandwagon early. I've also got suspitions in that he was very quick to jump behind Toht's arguments, even when they were questionable. Levin at least questioned some of his arguments before voting, Ch3tan didn't. Removing his vote on me also makes sense, from a mafia point of view having an obvious mafia target still there on day 2 makes hiding even easier. Why lynch me early on day 1 when you can knock someone else off (Levin) then push for my head day 2. He also went for lynching me or levin very quickly for someone who said they thought a no-lynch was a good plan.


Yes the comments here are biased. Yes they are based on my views at the moment and may well be right or wrong. It's just how my gut feels at the moment. My issue is that i'm not sure I see Ch3tan and Morph as a team at the moment which means one of those feelings is probably wrong. Which one I go for i'm just not sure. I think ch3tan has looked most suspicious so far, but there doesn't seem to be a big following that feels likewise, so..

 

[Golena]

Levin, olgaline and Kirrenia.

I think it makes sense for one of you 3 to step up and vote me off at the moment. Being voted off is the best way at this point I can prove my innocence and think i'm probably more of a liability to the town alive on the second day. If it was me, i'd vote me off at this point, even if I didn't think I was guilty for that exact reason.
I'm fairly convinced at this point that the mafia is the 4 people currently voting for me (or rubric but his silence is really killing the game at the moment!)

That gives the cop a fairly good shot at finding at least one of them tommorow at which point the townies are in a fairly strong position.
My gut tells me it's not Tohtori tho.

 

[Ch3tan]

Ch3tan - Again joined the bandwagon early. I've also got suspitions in that he was very quick to jump behind Toht's arguments, even when they were questionable. Levin at least questioned some of his arguments before voting, Ch3tan didn't. Removing his vote on me also makes sense, from a mafia point of view having an obvious mafia target still there on day 2 makes hiding even easier. Why lynch me early on day 1 when you can knock someone else off (Levin) then push for my head day 2. He also went for lynching me or levin very quickly for someone who said they thought a no-lynch was a good plan.

If I was a dishonest hoodlum, then I would cast suspicion on my evil partner first to take attention away from him. Way to many flaws in Golenas arguments, as Tohtori has already pointed out (and saved me the job ).

Now, not everyone has posted yet, but I would say Golena and Levin are the mafia. The fact Levin has just defended Golena makes me think this is true.

Hold on a second? Your quick recap is very handy as it twists (see what I did there?) the facts.

Firstly, a no lynch would have been a good idea, but it did not look like taking off, with you casting suspicion left right and center, and toht going for a lynch vote. Read the rules, we are allowed to change our minds before a majority is reached. Targetting people for excerscing their rights is stupid.

Now I had already said why I voted for you, I did not quote or ramble on because Toht already had. As I said, he pointed out the flaws in your early actions and I did not and still do not see a problem with them.

As I have said several times now, I no longer care if you are a mafia. Your basic inability to grasp what people have already said makes you far more dangerous to the town than an actual mafia member.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Unvote: Golena

Have to recap.

And no Golena, i'm not gonna post my role here, either way i'm a prime suspect for the coming night. Especially if..

 

[Levin]

As I have said several times now, I no longer care if you are a mafia. Your basic inability to grasp what people have already said makes you far more dangerous to the town than an actual mafia member.

Tohtori, look, Ch3tan is covering his bases!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Tohtori, look, Ch3tan is covering his bases!

Actually not true also

Ch3tan is voting on bad basis, not covering bases. If he was doing the "cover our bases" thing, he'd say "i'm not too sure about you being mafia, but i am willing to trust in old.tohtori on this one".

 

[Golena]

As I said, he pointed out the flaws in your early actions and I did not and still do not see a problem with them.

Your basic inability to grasp what people have already said makes you far more dangerous to the town than an actual mafia member.

This tells me everything I need to know.

I'm still not going to vote for you however, since there's a tiny chance that your not mafia still, and I still think it's beneficial (will give the town more information at this point) to lynch me.

 

[Levin]

Actually not true also

Ch3tan is voting on bad basis, not covering bases. If he was doing the "cover our bases" thing, he'd say "i'm not too sure about you being mafia, but i am willing to trust in old.tohtori on this one".

Im sorry Tohtori, but that's bullcrap. He is basicly saying "I vote on Golena and if he turns out innocent, look back here and see how I didn't care, because he is dangerous anyway".

For one who is so adamant on base-covering as a guilty factor, I am surprised you look between your fingers on this one. Seems very biased to me.

 

[Levin]

Er.. not sure "look between the fingers" is the expression I was lookign for. I meant.. "willing to let it slip". Hope that clarifies a little.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Im sorry Tohtori, but that's bullcrap. He is basicly saying "I vote on Golena and if he turns out innocent, look back here and see how I didn't care, because he is dangerous anyway".

For one who is so adamant on base-covering as a guilty factor, I am surprised you look between your fingers on this one. Seems very biased to me.

In YOUR book of base covering, you think of things from a complete different viewpoint anyway.

I said already how ti would be the same style base covering.

Now why are you so adamant against ch3tan? Have to ask before i make a final judgment.

 

[Golena]

I don't think it matters if he's base covering anyway.

That's a fairly tiny detail compared to the other stuff he's done.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Here you go, yes Golena...exactly right:

Let's take a look at old ch3tey boy:

You have so far tried to get levin and myself voted, you seem keen on murder golena.

Fair enough. Naughty golena...but....

as Tohtori has already pointed out (and saved me the job ).

Now now, don't try and use the user

Now, not everyone has posted yet, but I would say Golena and Levin are the mafia. The fact Levin has just defended Golena makes me think this is true.

Right after claiming golena tried to get him and levin hanged.

Then again, i'm just waiting(especially since i say it first) for the ch3tan+old.tohtori combo accusation now.

Lets help that one along shall we?

unvote no lynch

vote golena

A bit to obvious i reckon? Or do i ned to explain this, if you look at me as innocent and ch3tan as not?

Now then, some words between me and golena, mafia takes a seat back and when things cool down:

Levin you are so guilty it is not funny. You are declaring morphious as guilty because of an action he did mere minutes before you? I unvoted Golena to give others a chance to speak as he was only one vote away from a lynch. You and Morphius first said you would both do the same, and then did. No difference in your actions.

Toht, I would urge you to vote Levin instead he looks more guilty than golena right now, but in the intrest of saving my own hide for now:

And still vote for golena. Levin guilty, guilty guilty, vote for him tohtori!

Yet votes golena. Naughty naughty.

Golena - 3 - (Morphius, Old.Tohtori, Ch3tan)

And as you see from that, perfect middlevote with no suspicion anywhere, and claiming Levin as evil to do...you guessed it...base covering as a cherry on top!

Bad guy, ch3tan.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh and ofcourse Vote: ch3tan

 

[Levin]

In YOUR book of base covering, you think of things from a complete different viewpoint anyway.

I said already how ti would be the same style base covering.

Now why are you so adamant against ch3tan? Have to ask before i make a final judgment.

Well, base covering and other baseball sounding terms aside.

About Ch3tan.

I believe Golena DID have a point that a quick novote is something that gains the town absolutely nothing. I do not agree with Golena that Ch3tan had to be guilty just because of it, but I can understand his thinking, and the desperation to find something to go on when voting on day 1.

So.. other people have bashed Golena for this, with Ch3tan and you in the breach. I know I said I saw your reasons Tohtori, and I meant that I can understand how you think as well. I just think you're overreacting, just as Golena did on Ch3tan in the beginning.

Golena pulled his vote though, after a lot of info had come out. Ch3tan however, have begun attacking me as well, simply for pointing out that I don't think Golena is guilty and that I thought Morphius was strange. His strange defending of Morphius, while at the same time attacking me and Golena, brings out the caveman in me. I had nobody else with me in voting for Morphius, so I switched to Ch3tan who is on my ass anyway. I've already switched votes twice (look at what that got me last game).

Right now, if i would switch my vote at all, it would go on either Morphius for his strange post, Rubric for being totally inactive, or you Tohtori, for being a rabid attack dog and, using Ch3tan's words, being dangerous whether you're mafia or not. And see, according to yourself I wasn't even base covering there.

Note however that you seem to have calmed down a little now, so perhaps all this aggro style was just a method to get even more info. So.. I probably wouldn't consider switching to you before Morphius or Rubric.

I hope that explains a little, and that no offense is taken. This is one of the more interesting games in a while, I think.

 

[Levin]

And wow... just wow! Well, this pretty much removes you from my suspect list completely, Tohtori.. but we'll see what happens.

 

[Olgaline]

Btw,

I dont know If this has been mentioned, because, well honestly I havent read up on everything. But!

There is one "flaw" in Kirennias no lynch theory and thats that The mafia already know who's innocent.

so counter claiming and pointing out innocence is very easy from their prospective.
also the most likely to counter claim would be the goon, not the blocker. wich would leave the town in a very dire situation.

I'm off to work now, and still battleing a very bad toothache if it doesnt get any better and rubric gets active or replaced I'll try and see if i can get a replacement too, altho I hope i can keep playing ofc, and feeling "altho still swollen" better today than yesterday "less pressure" on the tooth so to speak.

 

[Levin]

Well, I think right about now would be a good time for Rubric to be replaced. If not, perhaps we should start voting on him just to move things along?

 

[Olgaline]

nah,
we'd be lynching a vanilla townie for sure...
dont see the idea in that,
Also I dont know if I'm mistaken But i do belive he pulled the same trick last he
got a townie roll ? Or is my memory broken ?

 

[Levin]

Golena and Tohtori, I was just wondering.. what was it that made you guys form a "peace", so to speak? You seemed to be talking some secret language there for a while. And no, I don't mean that I think you're mafia! It just came so suddenly, I was kind of surprised, is all. Was it that you were both using the same "method" or something?

 

[Levin]

nah,
we'd be lynching a vanilla townie for sure...
dont see the idea in that,
Also I dont know if I'm mistaken But i do belive he pulled the same trick last he
got a townie roll ? Or is my memory broken ?

Hmm well I do remember someone did, but I can't remember who it was. I don't think it was Rubric, though.