Off-topic Mafia #9 Game Thread

[Golena]

- They have both followed the same basic stratagy both advocated and argued the no lynch, yet both have voted for multiple targets since page one

I belive that me and Kir have both only voted for one person each. Me ch3tan and Kirennia Morph?

 

[Olgaline]

hmm your right, But tbh thats off minor importance,
the main thing I'm getting at here is Why the hell no one has questioned it,
and why advocate one thing and do the other?
And I know golenas answer as he's explained it "looking at all posibilities, discussing them ect and all that" yet Kirennia seems to directly Advocate it, so why the vote then ?
and just because you openly discuss options, doesnt mean you dont have an adgenda behind it.

note I'm not Pointing any fingers yet, But after xxx pages of hoping someone adressed Kirennia and my lack of vote for you I have no choice but to do it my self.
even tho it acually putts me i the spot light as well

 

[Golena]

and why advocate one thing and do the other?

Kirennia first said he thought lynching would make sense. He then voted for Morph. He then removed the vote and started considering the no lynch. I don't see any advocating one thing while doing the other here really. Just him changing his mind after thinking more closely about the logistics of it.

and just because you openly discuss options, doesnt mean you dont have an adgenda behind it.

Agreed. Everyone here has some kind of agenda, both townies and mafia.

 

[Levin]

Seeing that Rubric isn't using a quiet tactic, since as someone said he hasn't even been on the forums at all.. i also doubt he has done the "oh i got vanilla, bugger it then" thing. In my eyes, nothing really points to that. Maybe his computer broke, maybe he had to go on an unexpected trip.. there are millions of reasons why he might have been unable to post.

All that means that he is just as likely to be mafia as the rest of us. If Kirennia is Rubric's mafia buddy, it would explain his hard necked resistance against continuing the game until Rubric has been replaced.

It's just a theory, not better than any other, but also not so bad, I think. Therefore I think I will bury my hatchet with Ch3tan for now and follow his example.

Unvote: Ch3tan

Vote: Rubric

I hope this won't anger the gods... *puts on tinfoil hat*

 

[Olgaline]

Your right Golena "about Kirennia" and his voting habbit post #74 & #90
I see no merrit or reason for that Levin, "we already have a pending replacement for Rubric" English so thats senceless, from that perspective you might as well vote Kirennia.

 

[Olgaline]

oh and I've been just as Forth comming as Kirennia about leaving Rubric this round
so does that make me Rubrics partner ? and if so why Did I not finish of Golena when I had an open chance ? or push Harder for Ch3tan when it seemed he was the going price ?

your logic is kinda faulty on Rubric, All I see is an easy "likely innocent" target wich wont cuase much debate.

 

[Golena]

I guess the problem is that I also want to vote him off, just to get stuff moving again.

For that reason while I can see how votes for him might be considered picking off an easy target, I can also see why innocent people are potentially making them. It doesn't really tell me anything about people's guilt, more about people's frustration.

It's not just Kirennia that's waiting on Rubric remember Levin, you've got to put me in that boat as well since i'm not going to vote until it's resolved.

 

[Rubric]

This looks dodgy as hell as i pop back when the lynching is coming my way but a dead power supply and my inability to post at work at present stopped me from getting online. You will see i have not been able to post on this forum at all for a while.

Now back to the game, christ you guys have done some talking, and i admit i must have skimmed through alot of it to get to page 15. Finding it hard to work out as always on day 1, general feeling is thot is innocent. Too much effort in analysis for him to be a mafia. I am leaning towards Golena & Morph tbh.

I think VOTE: MORPHIUS.

 

[Morphius]

I'm in the same position as Golena as this one, I wanna see what Rubric comes out with because he has to know there's a lot of discomfort in his direction. My vote is still uncast because I wanna see what he could possibly dig up, or what any replacement could offer to the game.

On that point I'm going to go Vote Rubric/Replacement I wanna get to know this character that has eluded us for so long. I'm agreeing with Levin aswell, he clearly confirmed his character to Iceforge or else the game wouldn't have started, so he knew he would need to be active, but why hasn't he been?

 

[Morphius]

God damn posting whilst I post. But still, it LIVES!

 

[Olgaline]

Eeeh Uhm...!

Rubric, Why the urge to single out and point out Toht as being innocent ?
No word on Levin, no word on me, or what about kirennia or Ch3tan ?

 

[Rubric]

I'm in the same position as Golena as this one, I wanna see what Rubric comes out with because he has to know there's a lot of discomfort in his direction. My vote is still uncast because I wanna see what he could possibly dig up, or what any replacement could offer to the game.

On that point I'm going to go Vote Rubric/Replacement I wanna get to know this character that has eluded us for so long. I'm agreeing with Levin aswell, he clearly confirmed his character to Iceforge or else the game wouldn't have started, so he knew he would need to be active, but why hasn't he been?

What do you wan't to know Angelo? That's your real name isn't it? Damn Italians in our neighbourhood i can't believe you all didn't notice his accent.

 

[Rubric]

Eeeh Uhm...!

Rubric, Why the urge to single out and point out Toht as being innocent ?
No word on Levin, no word on me, or what about kirennia or Ch3tan ?

It was alot to read and i'm just going with gut instincts from my feeling on 1 read through.

 

[Iceforge]

Vote Count
Day 1

Rubric - 3 - (Morphius, Levin, Ch3tan)
Morphius - 1 - (Rubric)
Golena - 1 - (Fl3a)
Ch3tan - 1 - (Old.Tohtori)

Not Voted: 3 (Olgaline, Golena, Kirennia)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

 

[Olgaline]

I gotta go with what has been my best bet over the pages
Vote: Ch3tan

 

[Golena]

Vote Rubric

Speaking up for the first time when the first vote comes his way is suspicious enough in itself.

But casting a vote after quickly skimming through 15 pages of information and not trying to take in what's happened. That's a person i've no desire to live until tommorow.

Sorry, things just don't add up. The fact that Iceforge didn't find a replacement earlier for him also implies to me that he could speak but was choosing not to. Certainly if he hadn't heard from him earlier, I think we'd of seen a replacement, someone had already volunteered after all, assigned sooner.

I've got more reason to vote for him than anyone else at the moment, and at the worst we end up with people we have more information on tommorow so can provide a more informed second vote.

 

[Golena]

The one reason I had for not voting him off was also that I figured he wasn't playing because he found a vanilla townie role boring. That's now gone out the window since he's here, so any reason I had for specifically not voting for him has sort of crumbled away.

 

[Olgaline]

thats bot quite fair Golena, even IceF makes it preatty clear in post #198
that rubric hasnt been online at all since for the last 3-4 days and rubric even supplied you with a reason for his absence,

now as for his actions after his grand return, well what els is he supoused to do?
he's done preatty much what we asked, returned and stated an opinion,

if the argument is "suddenly returned after prod" then he was basicly damned either way by default ? when was he els going to return, without ending up being replaced?

Oh and IceF will always! prefer a replacement if he ahs one avalible rather to an inactive lynch or a mod kill: that makes perfect sence. as it keeps the game bound to it's origional design.

 

[Olgaline]

The Funny thing is I'm not even trying to defend him, because it does seem suspeciose to me too..

but what I am saying is we shouldnt first demand his Imidiate return! and when we get just that, hang the por guy for basicly doing as we asked.

at least I am willign to give him until tomorrow to read up abit and come to some conclusion of his own, without having to resort to fast actions to proove his activity and defensive voting "ch3tan f.exp to save his own hide.

 

[Golena]

at least I am willign to give him until tomorrow to read up abit and come to some conclusion of his own

That's my problem right there. If he needed some time to come up with some conclusions of his own then fine. But he didn't. He showed up admitted to not having read through the posts properly, but still cast a vote.

What was he basing that vote on? A random post that caught his eye 10 pages ago?

If he had said I've just got back online. I'm going to catch up then make a vote i'd be giving him the benefit of the doubt right now. But he didn't. It was, hello, oh crap i've been voted on, i'll vote for this guy instead!! Oh now let me try reading some of the posts. That to me is a dangerous person to have around.

If nothing else I know nothing about him, so unless he comes up with lots of information about why he's innoent fairly quickly (and by that I mean some theories about why Morph makes sense as a vote to him) then he's no worse a vote than anyone else at this point for me.

The fact your not prepared to apply the noose yet does comfort me about your innocence tho Olga, since it's consistant with how you treated me. If nothing else I learn't that from my vote on him.

 

[Olgaline]

ok concider this then Golena,
If He Was Mafia, Then why the hell admit to not having read through the pages?
and cast unesserasy light and suspecion on him self ?
what possible gain could He derive from that ?

 

[Olgaline]

To me it seems a very normal and hasty action from someone who's been away and fearing for his hide...

lets make a quick post and vote to show we'r active...

 

[Golena]

If He Was Mafia, Then why the hell admit to not having read through the pages?
and cast unesserasy light and suspecion on him self ?
what possible gain could He derive from that ?

That's a good point.

I'm going to leave my vote there however. Either i'll force him into starting to explain his vote and why he thinks me and Morph stand out as the guilty ones, or i'll find someone who doesn't want him to have the option to explain his reasoning.

Removing my vote now doesn't give me more information. Someone else voting or removing their vote with a reason does.

 

[Ch3tan]

Vote Count
Day 1

Rubric - 3 - (Morphius, Levin, Ch3tan)
Morphius - 1 - (Rubric)
Golena - 1 - (Fl3a)
Ch3tan - 1 - (Old.Tohtori)

Not Voted: 3 (Olgaline, Golena, Kirennia)

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch

Ok a few things.

You can hide your forum status with invisible mode. Can a mod confirm that Rubric has actually not logged into the forums at all?

mod I did not realise I had two votes?

Now I am short of time, hence my lack of counter-arguments, hopefully I will be home early tonight and get stuck in. But even with a lack of time I would not say something as silly as Rubric, I would suggest you take the time to read things carefully before voting.

As far as I am concerned we are back to square one with all the town now present.

so unvote Rubric and toht

 

[Levin]

Your right Golena "about Kirennia" and his voting habbit post #74 & #90
I see no merrit or reason for that Levin, "we already have a pending replacement for Rubric" English so thats senceless, from that perspective you might as well vote Kirennia.

I know is this old stuff now that Rubric is back, but I just wanted to point something out regarding this.

Yes, I could have just as well voted Kirennia, but then, he wasn't the absent one. So.. I had a guy who hadn't posted the whole game, and whom I had involved in a little theory.. i know it was really thin, and that really anyone who would hold their vote could be involved in. But in that theory, Rubric would always be one of the mafia AND he was absent. Hence i voted for him for lack of better options, AND for helping speed things up.

Now that he's back.. all of this naturally falls flat. I do like his vote on Morphius I must admit. I still haven't forgotten the weird "I was thinking of pulling my vote too!" comment he did right after he voted for Golena.

One thing i've noticed however, is how Morphius and Ch3tan always seem to be voting with eachother. Earlier they both voted Golena. Now they're both voting Rubric. Ch3tan defended Morphius rather adamantly when I attacked him the first time. I wonder if the same will happen now?

Unvote: Rubric
Vote: Morphius

 

[Levin]

Just a reply to my own post here. Adamantly is actually the wrong word to describe Ch3tan's defense of Morphius. More like "just enough to try and not attract attention".

 

[old.Tohtori]

As far as I am concerned we are back to square one with all the town now present.

LAdidaa....added to my earlier suspicion, isn't this rather a "look, something shiny!". Hmm?

Rubrci returning(with a valid reason for being away), should NOT make the town forget all that's happened here.

Anyone advocating we do, well...

 

[Levin]

LAdidaa....added to my earlier suspicion, isn't this rather a "look, something shiny!". Hmm?

Rubrci returning(with a valid reason for being away), should NOT make the town forget all that's happened here.

Anyone advocating we do, well...

I do agree with this. We can't forget what has been said. Right now in my book, Morphius & Ch3tan seems a like a possible combo.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I do agree with this. We can't forget what has been said. Right now in my book, Morphius & Ch3tan seems a like a possible combo.

I haven't checked on the possible partner yet, leaving that one out of the equation since if i'm wrong about ch3tan, i have to think it all over.

 

[fl3a]

levin the thing is that im not inactive, but you could say that im a bit unlucky posting wise. whenever i notice some inconsistency or error and think about pointing it out it will be pointed out in one of the following posts that i read, so that it would be redundant of me to post. i am reading the posts and trying to draw conclusions.

i think that we shouldnt vote for rubric at this time, as suggested by olgaline - what he did made sense if he is a townie. if he would be mafia he would have probably posted something about quiet tactics or whatever.

and it seems that, with golena 'escaping' the lynch again, we arent going to reach a decision on who to lynch, so i suggest going back to the plan quite a few people have said they would prefer - how about we do that with our votes?

unvote
vote: no lynch