Off-topic Mafia #9 Game Thread

[Olgaline]

that test is preatty nul and void by now, and very very "pro mafia"
since you've now basicly set it up so that if anyone votes for golena now they'ed be an Easy scapegoat. if that "test" had been a secretive test then i could see it's marrit.
but as is, it's redundant at best. and to me seem to server covering your own hide rather than to solve anything.

 

[old.Tohtori]

that test is preatty nul and void by now, and very very "pro mafia"
since you've now basicly set it up so that if anyone votes for golena now they'ed be an Easy scapegoat. if that "test" had been a secretive test then i could see it's marrit.
but as is, it's redundant at best. and to me seem to server covering your own hide rather than to solve anything.

But, because i know i'm not mafia, your post just seems like a perfect way to divert blame.

Unvote: Golena
Vote: Olgaline

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ofcourse mafia wouldn't vote 'cause they couldn't win yet, but your post is exactly what i was expecting.

 

[Olgaline]

haha, get cought out and try and shift the blame?
cute but I'm not buying it ....

you've been intrumental in leading into the Lynche attempts both on golena and on ch3tan guess you leave me no choice.

Vote: Old.Tohtori

 

[old.Tohtori]

Go right ahead, wasn't expecting anything else.

Hang me, lose a townie. Simple. No ifs or buts about it.

People can make their own mind up on "who got caught".

Do you really think i'd explain my tactic before i did it, if it wasn't a tactic to do so? Really?

 

[Olgaline]

oh dear me !?
first you grasp at straws trying to get someone hung
and as soona s i retaliate you start trowing your toys out the pram ?

c'on!

 

[Olgaline]

Wich ever bait does the job right ?
well not this time....

but you sure have my undevoted attention for now.

 

[old.Tohtori]

and as soona s i retaliate you start trowing your toys out the pram ?

Err...what?

Weak man.

 

[Olgaline]

Do you really think i'd explain my tactic before i did it, if it wasn't a tactic to do so? Really?

this again ? what a bunch of nonesence this is starting to become, You'd think you thought you've stumbled apon the holy grail of get out of jail cards.
so why should you be free from questioning and from suspec of motive ?
ofcuase I'll question your actions just as I would anyone els who posted something that to me seems to benifit the mafia as you Just did

you push for lynches, and as soon as someone dears to question it, you use it a to point blame and vote for that person ? not even a theory or explanation as to the thought or goal behind the tactic ? All you did was post something and as soon as that was questioned you used that questioning to try and proove guilt and push for a vote ? not even a conclusion? nothing ?
look he questioned me! he must therefor be guilty!

Go right ahead, wasn't expecting anything else.

Hang me, lose a townie. Simple. No ifs or buts about it.

People can make their own mind up on "who got caught".

and after i retaliate andqestion you motives this is all you got ?
doooom!!!! ? thats it ? and you call my reply weak ?

 

[Olgaline]

Fine by me, lets see what people say
I do have a gut feeling about where one particular persons vote will land tho

 

[Levin]

Hrrm. Olgaline has a good point. That test was pretty much set up so as to say "whoever votes for Golena now is mafia". It would go in line with a Tohtori/Golena theory, where Tohtori would do this to make sure nobody dares vote on Golena.

Wild speculating of course, but.. the good part of that is that Golena would be guilty either way. So.. my vote stays for now!

 

[old.Tohtori]

Olgaline, without going on a tangent about "you don't liten, you just twist, you just escape lynch as mafia!" again, think about it as i answer your suspicions:

Would i proclaim my tactic before hand? No, i wouldn't, i would say something else.
Would i proclaim it a tactic to get answers outside the obvious? Yes, i would, as i did from your reply.
Would i SERIOUSLY ask people NOT to vote for Golena if i was trying to get Golena hung?

That explain enough for you?

Now how about you explain why you answered with a counter-mafia claim, even when it wasn't needed?

 

[Olgaline]

well I'll be, levin
that responce somewhat puntures my initial theory from the start of day 2
gotta re think for a sec
Unvote Old.Tohtori

 

[old.Tohtori]

I have three suspects for three different reasons at the moment and it's really simple:

Golena for "using me" on day one.
Levin for going on the Golena hang so easy.
Olga for what i said.

At the moment i simply believe in Olgaline being guilty.

 

[Olgaline]

First off I didnt coutner claim anything, I questioned your actions and your motives for using that it. allw as fine and dandy up to this:

Yeah yeah i know:

If he's innocent, we give mafia a chance to kill him straight off.
If he's not, we'd still have to hang him.

What can i do, it makes no sense either way but i feel i'm right(i know).

this in my eyes looks like a mafia tactic, simpe as that:
- vote and your mafia for killing him off
- dont vote and your a mafia not wanting to be outed.

it's set up in oposition, damned if you do damned if you dont. why would any townie not want to question that or rather the motive behind that ?
might not have been your intetion but if you cant see that! then your either guilty or well blind.

levin could you maybe elaborate on why you think golena and tbh i dont see the link between him and Toht :S

 

[Levin]

Personally, I suspect Golena based on the strange exchange he had with Tohtori yesterday, his "go ahead vote me off" which had the reverse effect just like he probably had hoped. I'm kind of 50/50 about Tohtori, based on that if he and Golena were mafia, I doubt Tohtori would establish such an obvious link between them, especially after what happened on day one.

So.. basicly we all suspect Golena. But since we seem to suspect him for different reasons we also suspect eachother. Ah well.

 

[Olgaline]

good points, but one thing still has me douting

and thats why would toht leave his vote on golena with 4 votes on him and 3 undecided voters and only one vote to kill?

the only explanation i can come up with was that it would have been a fluke mistake due to being offline, but well toht and offline dont compute for me not for that amount off time, and sure, you could argue that toht would be that evil, but Golena wouldnt go for that as a tactic. soo I'm still not convinced.

 

[Levin]

Tohtori, I did not follow you "easily". Read my post #294 which came before your vote on Golena. There I give my main reasoning, and when I vote after you I just follow what I had already said.

And Olgaline, yes indeed. That's why my vote is on Golena instead of Tohtori right now. I simply suspect Golena more even if they both seemed to be in "kahootch" on day 1. And the situation with 4 votes was safer than it seemed, simply because Golena defused it with the dramatic "vote me off for the benefit of the town, laddies!" comment.

Still, for all this.

There are lots of other mafia combos possible out there, and it feels like whatever we do it will be a shot in the dark with hopes that it hits a mafioso.

 

[old.Tohtori]

First off I didnt coutner claim anything, I questioned your actions and your motives for using that it. allw as fine and dandy up to this:

this in my eyes looks like a mafia tactic, simpe as that:
- vote and your mafia for killing him off
- dont vote and your a mafia not wanting to be outed.

it's set up in oposition, damned if you do damned if you dont. why would any townie not want to question that or rather the motive behind that ?
might not have been your intetion but if you cant see that! then your either guilty or well blind.

That's the whole point of it. It's so ridicilous that anyone could see it, but only mafia would try to use it shift blame towards who started it. Aka, you.

Tohtori, I did not follow you "easily". Read my post #294 which came before your vote on Golena. There I give my main reasoning, and when I vote after you I just follow what I had already said.

The way you said it made it look like you were voting because i voted first. As in, "you want to test the waters" etc.

But from what i've read, from my point of view, Olgaline Levin mafia combo is starting to look even bigger.

Especailly since Olgas been asking Levin to "explain this golena toht link" while believing in it himself, Levin being rather strangely on my side and not doubting me as much as usually would be expected and well...backing eachother up and patting backs for "good points".

So, as Levin would say, i'm unsure about Levin so i'm sticking my vote with Olga.

 

[Olgaline]

it's the same old song..toht and this time I'm just not buying it..
I do however think that we need to look elsweare than golena to find his acomplis

Vote: Old.tohtori

 

[old.Tohtori]

it's the same old song..

Hey, great way to discuss or use some coutnerpoints *thumbs up*

 

[Olgaline]

yeah well with you, why bother ....?

your very much off on one argument tho'
and I tell you

If I was indeed mafia, guess what ? I wouldnt have Replied at all to your post!
think about it ....

 

[Iceforge]

Vote Count
Day 2

Golena - 1 - (Levin)
Old.Tohtori - 1 - (Olgaline)
Olgaline - 1 - (Old.Tohtori)

Not Voted: 4 (Morphius, Rubric, Golena, Kirennia)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

 

[old.Tohtori]

yeah well with you, why bother ....?

your very much off on one argument tho'
and I tell you

If I was indeed mafia, guess what ? I wouldnt have Replied at all to your post!
think about it ....

No, i'm not on one argument.

Why not stop preaching aobut how i am in my ways, and start looking at your own. You read not one of my points and go back to the "he's like this" card.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Especially since i answered all your accusations and you address none. It's a fact you can see right there.

 

[Golena]

And the situation with 4 votes was safer than it seemed, simply because Golena defused it with the dramatic "vote me off for the benefit of the town, laddies!" comment.

So here's the times during day 1 that I had 4 votes on me.

2nd June 2008, 07:01 PM to 2nd June 2008, 07:40 PM
39 minutes.

3rd June 2008, 11:29 AM to 3rd June 2008, 05:31 PM
6 hours 2 minutes, total time 6 hours 41 minutes.

3rd June 2008, 07:11 PM to 4th June 2008, 08:13 AM
13 hours 2 minutes, total time 19 hours, 42 minutes

Now I asked you to vote me off at 3rd June 2008, 11:12 PM
4 hours 1 minute into the 3rd period, after having had 4 votes on me for a total of 10 hours 3 minutes, and 14 posts by Toht in this timeframe.

Your argument that there was no real danger because I defused it using that argument simply doesn't hold up.

 

[Golena]

vote Kirennia

So obvious i'm shocked I only spotted it now.

 

[Olgaline]

vote Kirennia

So obvious i'm shocked I only spotted it now.

hmm ?
elaborate

 

[Rubric]

Hrrm. Olgaline has a good point. That test was pretty much set up so as to say "whoever votes for Golena now is mafia". It would go in line with a Tohtori/Golena theory, where Tohtori would do this to make sure nobody dares vote on Golena.

Wild speculating of course, but.. the good part of that is that Golena would be guilty either way. So.. my vote stays for now!

I suspectd Gol all along but i don't know i just feel Thot is innocent. Trouble i it's so hard to tell with him. He's a wily one for sure.

good points, but one thing still has me douting

and thats why would toht leave his vote on golena with 4 votes on him and 3 undecided voters and only one vote to kill?

the only explanation i can come up with was that it would have been a fluke mistake due to being offline, but well toht and offline dont compute for me not for that amount off time, and sure, you could argue that toht would be that evil, but Golena wouldnt go for that as a tactic. soo I'm still not convinced.

Why would Golena have to go for that tactic though. If the situation has presented itself i think Thot would go for the vote his partner routine and if he is lynched we would never have suspected him. I'm warming to the Thot being Golena'a partner not Morph now.

vote Kirennia

So obvious i'm shocked I only spotted it now.

WTF your so mafia scum, back up your theory or feel the noose!

VOTE: GOLENA

 

[Golena]

hmm ?
elaborate

Will do, so far it's proved pretty much as expected however.