Off-topic Mafia #9 Game Thread

[Iceforge]

Vote Count
Day 2

Golena - 2 - (Rubric, Levin)
Old.Tohtori - 1 - (Olgaline)
Levin - 1 - (Old.Tohtori)
Morphius - 1 - (Kirennia)

Not Voted: 2 (Morphius, Golena)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh...golena wasn't voting on levin anymore...when id that happen?

unvote: levin

 

[Golena]

So to cut a long story short Gol, you think i am guilty because of my dodgy power supply.

I suspected that you might be in league with Kirrenia when he refused to play on without you.
I tested that by voting for kirrenia today and you leapt to his defence. No mention of a power supply there..

 

[Golena]

Vote Levin

There you go Toht, you can come lynch with me if you want.

I don't really think Levin is guilty, but since he can't be bothered to consider evidence any more, or even discuss it he's leaving me fairly short of options.

One of us really has to go if he's innocent. I don't think it really matters which since either of us is a bad townie vote at the moment.

 

[Morphius]

There's been so much stabbing and twisting in this thread and think everyone now has their reasons to why they should be mafia. I personally cannot come to any conclusion.

I would like to think of Golena as the mafia but I still think there are pieces missing in this giant puzz3D. I'm leaning towards Kirennia being mafia, no not because he has voted for me but because he comes in every so often and fails to, in my opinion, to read the rest of the thread. I think it all very suspicious that the rest of the thread doesn't seem important.

Vote Kirennia

 

[Golena]

I'm leaning towards Kirennia being mafia, no not because he has voted for me but because he comes in every so often and fails to, in my opinion, to read the rest of the thread. I think it all very suspicious that the rest of the thread doesn't seem important.

I actually think Kirennia is spot on and has very much read the thread. Levin has forced my hand however so that theory will have to go untested. Nevermind, Toht has probably played well enough to win it for you so it's well enough deserved.

 

[Golena]

I actually think Kirennia is spot on and has very much read the thread. Levin has forced my hand however so that theory will have to go untested. Nevermind, Toht has probably played well enough to win it for you so it's well enough deserved.

The only issue I have with Kirrenia's vote is that he put it on the wrong person. He's voting for the player not the team again.

 

[Levin]

I actually think Kirennia is spot on and has very much read the thread. Levin has forced my hand however so that theory will have to go untested. Nevermind, Toht has probably played well enough to win it for you so it's well enough deserved.

I don't get how you think, Golena. If you believe someone is mafia, why don't you vote for them, instead of someone else who you consider is "forcing your hand"? If I was in the same spot, I would vote on and try to get others to vote on whoever I thought was guilty. Are you still doing your information gathering game? And are you saying if I took my vote off you, you would vote differently?

Incidentily, I think Kirennia has a valid point as well, so.. here's what I'll do for now.

Unvote

Question to you Golena. How can you be so sure Kirennia has voted on the wrong person?

 

[Golena]

I don't get how you think, Golena.

I'll try and spell it out for you. (Don't mean that to insult you but because I guess unless you see it it's not obvious unless you think in the same way as me)

If you believe someone is mafia, why don't you vote for them, instead of someone else who you consider is "forcing your hand"?

Mainly because i'm trying to think past tonight. If we are both innocent and don't vote off a member of the mafia today, then you voting on me tommorow loses the game. Agreed?

Now assuming your going to vote on me tommorow regardless, because you believe that i'm mafia, then i'd rather vote you off today, even if innocent.
If your mafia then it's an unexpected jackpot, I won't complain.
If your innocent then the mafia will kill someone over night and i've got less combinations to consider tommorow so i'm more likely to get it right.

That means that if your going to vote on me tommorow if we are both alive then the only sensible option available to me is either to vote you off today, or if I can place you as innocent, get myself lynched somehow. Well i've tried the second option already, that didn't seem to work.

If I was in the same spot, I would vote on and try to get others to vote on whoever I thought was guilty. Are you still doing your information gathering game? And are you saying if I took my vote off you, you would vote differently?

I'll vote differently if I think your at least prepared to consider that I might not be instantly guilty tommorow if I survive, and at least try to understand an argument I put across. I don't need you to agree with it, but at least put in the effort to try and understand it, and argue why you think it's wrong. Your argument that I difused the situation didn't stand up because I used it on the 3rd time after several hours. Now if you can come up with an argument that explains why Toht didn't take his vote off in those first 10 hours, i'll at least accept your descision that I might be partners with him, even tho I know it's not true.. I'll be able to follow your reasoning for thinking it.

to you Golena. How can you be so sure Kirennia has voted on the wrong person?

Sorry, should of said from my point of view he's put it on the wrong person. That's mainly because when I made the point then I could connect Toht to more partnerships than I could Morph. Since your post then i'm starting to question that so Maybe Kir's vote is fair enough.
When I said the wrong person I didn't mean, Morph isn't mafia so he's voting for the wrong person. I meant if he believes Morph and Toht are a team, voting on Toht would of made more sense to me. If Morph and Toht are a team i'd of looked at the other townies. Given 2 of them are wanting to lynch me based on a possible Toht/Golena partnership you could kill 2 theories by voting on Toht, only one by voting on Morph.

 

[Golena]

Unvote

Levin isn't a vote that makes sense to me assuming he's prepared to consider my above post.

 

[Rubric]

I suspected that you might be in league with Kirrenia when he refused to play on without you.
I tested that by voting for kirrenia today and you leapt to his defence. No mention of a power supply there..

Can you find the post in which i leap to Kir's defence? I can't be arsed to look.

 

[Rubric]

Sorry, should of said from my point of view he's put it on the wrong person. That's mainly because when I made the point then I could connect Toht to more partnerships than I could Morph. Since your post then i'm starting to question that so Maybe Kir's vote is fair enough.
When I said the wrong person I didn't mean, Morph isn't mafia so he's voting for the wrong person. I meant if he believes Morph and Toht are a team, voting on Toht would of made more sense to me. If Morph and Toht are a team i'd of looked at the other townies. Given 2 of them are wanting to lynch me based on a possible Toht/Golena partnership you could kill 2 theories by voting on Toht, only one by voting on Morph.

I'm now leaning to a you and Morph Mafia combo rather then you and thot tbh. Now do i leave my vote on you the seemingly more tricky mafia man or switch to the easier to lynch target of Morph to get the game moving as he has a few votes already.

For now Unvote.

I address you Gol & you Morph, tell me why i shouldn't vote for you.

 

[Golena]

I address you Gol & you Morph, tell me why i shouldn't vote for you.

What exactly do you think we've all been doing for the last 25 pages.

Can you find the post in which i leap to Kir's defence? I can't be arsed to look.

Oh yeah I forgot actually reading what's been posted and trying to understand it is too much for you.

Vote for whoever you want, if the rest of us are lucky it won't effect the game in any way. Unfortunately i've got a feeling it will, which is a shame for those who could be bothered to make an effort.

 

[Golena]

I address you Rubric, tell me why i should remove this vote from you.

vote rubric

 

[Rubric]

I found these posts about me from Kirennia about me:

Can we get a replacement for Rubric please? I know RL comes first ofc and he's a nice guy in the forums but 3 days inactivity with no 'afk for 3 days' warning which isn't hard to do and the fact that this isn't the first time he's done this.

If you aren't going to participate, don't sign up for this kind of thing; there is no way for us to tell if he's a townie or part of the mafia if he's absolutely silent and it's influencing the game...

bah, can't edit.

Was going to post a vote tonight but wont until rubric has had a decent input in the game. Will be back at around midnight, might make a drunkard post then, if not, I'll vote in the morning.

Is all fair enough mate, I'm just not willing to vote for someone when one member has been completely silent up until now. I didn't mean anything bad towards you if that's what you felt, I'm just not going to continue posting/vote until everyone has had their say

This looks dodgy as hell as i pop back when the lynching is coming my way but a dead power supply and my inability to post at work at present stopped me from getting online. You will see i have not been able to post on this forum at all for a while.

Now back to the game, christ you guys have done some talking, and i admit i must have skimmed through alot of it to get to page 15. Finding it hard to work out as always on day 1, general feeling is thot is innocent. Too much effort in analysis for him to be a mafia. I am leaning towards Golena & Morph tbh.

I think VOTE: MORPHIUS.

I can find no post from me about Kirennia in either a postive of negative manner. So i ask you once again. Show me the post in which you refer to.

I address you Rubric, tell me why i should remove this vote from you.

vote rubric

I address you back Gol, You have lied, you made an accusation about me jumping to the defence of Kir and this is a lie.

Therefore

VOTE: Golena

 

[Golena]

I address you back Gol, You have lied, you made an accusation about me jumping to the defence of Kir and this is a lie.

If you had read any of the previous mafia games, in fact if you'd bothered to read this one you'd realise that jumping to the defence of someone doesn't require you to name them or even say you think they are innocent or guilty. It's not a lie, it's clear as day to everyone else reading the thread and i'm quite happy to let them make their own minds up about it. Unfortunately for you other people actually bothered to read it.

Unfortunately unlike Levin I don't think you posess the ability, or inclination to actually bother to consider the evidence, so you've put me in pretty much exactly the same situation I had with him. Vote you off or we lose.

I'm 50/50 at the moment that your innocent, and your defence of him was completely accidental given you've got no clue of what's actually going on at the moment. Unfortunately i'm not sure that's enough to keep you around at the moment.

 

[Golena]

In fact the two partnerships you considering seem entirely based around the fact that you if you had been drawn mafia would of tried to vote your partner off. I hope for my sake you don't partner me, given that if you had got your computer fixed a day earlier, i'd of been voted off given your reasoning so far.

Seems like a perfect mafia tactic to me. Vote your partner off and face 1v8 with a doc and cop. Wish I had thought of it!

At least other people bothered to look at the conversations between me and Toht and try to work out of if we could of been tricking them. You, not so much it seems.

 

[Golena]

Sorry, meant 1v7

 

[old.Tohtori]

Alrighty, i thought about it, and now it seems even clearer that someone is playing me with my own tools:

And yes, i go with the flow, unlike SOMEONE thinks

I always go with it.

Vote Levin

There you go Toht, you can come lynch with me if you want.

I don't really think Levin is guilty, but since he can't be bothered to consider evidence any more, or even discuss it he's leaving me fairly short of options.

One of us really has to go if he's innocent. I don't think it really matters which since either of us is a bad townie vote at the moment.

Vote and "do me a favor" by voting someone you think is innocent? A bit rich.

I actually think Kirennia is spot on and has very much read the thread. Levin has forced my hand however so that theory will have to go untested. Nevermind, Toht has probably played well enough to win it for you so it's well enough deserved.

Think i'm mafia, do me a favor earlier post, think kirennia is spot on, yet call Rubric mafia and tell that he's coming to Kirennias defense. So how many mafia actually are there?

Mainly because i'm trying to think past tonight. If we are both innocent and don't vote off a member of the mafia today, then you voting on me tommorow loses the game. Agreed?

Now assuming your going to vote on me tommorow regardless, because you believe that i'm mafia, then i'd rather vote you off today, even if innocent.
If your mafia then it's an unexpected jackpot, I won't complain.
If your innocent then the mafia will kill someone over night and i've got less combinations to consider tommorow so i'm more likely to get it right.

So selfish, even for a townie, that it's ridicilous. More of the "no matter if you're innocent or not" that was seen before with me, but this time it's on soeone who's been the most innocent player even to grace this town.

That means that if your going to vote on me tommorow if we are both alive then the only sensible option available to me is either to vote you off today, or if I can place you as innocent, get myself lynched somehow. Well i've tried the second option already, that didn't seem to work.

Working now, tell me why i shouldn't believe you and vote for you?

I'll vote differently if I think your at least prepared to consider that I might not be instantly guilty tommorow if I survive, and at least try to understand an argument I put across. I don't need you to agree with it, but at least put in the effort to try and understand it, and argue why you think it's wrong. Your argument that I difused the situation didn't stand up because I used it on the 3rd time after several hours. Now if you can come up with an argument that explains why Toht didn't take his vote off in those first 10 hours, i'll at least accept your descision that I might be partners with him, even tho I know it's not true.. I'll be able to follow your reasoning for thinking it.

Heh, simple really, you're not my partner but you are mafia. Explains everything nice and clean.

Sorry, should of said from my point of view he's put it on the wrong person. That's mainly because when I made the point then I could connect Toht to more partnerships than I could Morph. Since your post then i'm starting to question that so Maybe Kir's vote is fair enough.
When I said the wrong person I didn't mean, Morph isn't mafia so he's voting for the wrong person. I meant if he believes Morph and Toht are a team, voting on Toht would of made more sense to me. If Morph and Toht are a team i'd of looked at the other townies. Given 2 of them are wanting to lynch me based on a possible Toht/Golena partnership you could kill 2 theories by voting on Toht, only one by voting on Morph.

Now you're tellig people to vote on me, even if earlier you were very keen on helping me kill Levin. How very very interesting....

Can you find the post in which i leap to Kir's defence? I can't be arsed to look.

Oh yeah I forgot actually reading what's been posted and trying to understand it is too much for you.

Being rude isn't an answer to an honest and simple question, more minus marks there.

If you had read any of the previous mafia games, in fact if you'd bothered to read this one you'd realise that jumping to the defence of someone doesn't require you to name them or even say you think they are innocent or guilty. It's not a lie, it's clear as day to everyone else reading the thread and i'm quite happy to let them make their own minds up about it. Unfortunately for you other people actually bothered to read it.

Unfortunately unlike Levin I don't think you posess the ability, or inclination to actually bother to consider the evidence, so you've put me in pretty much exactly the same situation I had with him. Vote you off or we lose.

I'm 50/50 at the moment that your innocent, and your defence of him was completely accidental given you've got no clue of what's actually going on at the moment. Unfortunately i'm not sure that's enough to keep you around at the moment.

More very rude behaviour, yet agian, to ismple questions. There's reason from Olgaline, a bit, to do so towards me since he doesn't like me much, but there seems no reason from you. Not to mention, again with the earlier games thing.

AND not to mention, "not sure enough to keep you around", come on...


And then theres the cherry on top:

Seems like a perfect mafia tactic to me. Vote your partner off and face 1v8 with a doc and cop. Wish I had thought of it!

If you did, you'd want to say that.

So, it may be 5am or some other reason you might come up with...

Vote: Golena

Next time, atleast vote for someone based on reason and not just "i'll do ye a favor tohtori and make you seem more like my mafia buddy and make it also seem that they should vote you to take out more possibilities."

Perfect for you that the people think we're partners as i'm not mafia. Not perfect for you that i'm not mafia as i'd rule this game by now.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And no i don't have some 2i was afk!" reason if golena gets voted out, nothing really to change my mind at this point as things are (abe lincoln voice) self evident!

 

[Golena]

Being rude isn't an answer to an honest and simple question, more minus marks there.

There's only one reason i've been rude, and that's his "I've not really read the thread" comments that seem to litter his posts.

If he can't be bothered to read the thread, well, why is he bothering to play.

I can't find the post, can you point it out for me? I'll answer it.
Can you show me the post, I can't be arsed to look for it. The answer he got.

Simple.

 

[Golena]

So, I need 2 more votes.

Anything I can do to implicate myself a bit more?

unvote

At least when i'm found guilty people can't look at who I was voting for, muhahaha.

 

[old.Tohtori]

No offense ofcourse if you ARE innocent, just going by what i see and feel at the moment.

Might go back to someone else later

 

[Levin]

Guys, I have to admit.. I have absolutely no fecking clue who to vote for now. I have suspicions in a couple directions but nothing that I should, or would normally, vote on. So what to do? It feels like a big lottery right now. Here's my take on people.

Olgaline - Active in the beginning, now very quiet. Why? Unsure about him as it feels I have no info on him regarding the latest events.

Rubric - Nonactive on day 1 with a reason. Now he's decently active and he's saying things that I find myself agreeing with a lot. I guess because of that I have him down as innocent, but that fact alone might mean he's guilty! In short, I have no idea about him other than that I don't suspect him very much right now.

Tohtori - Flailing wildly on day one using tactics etc, but they turned out wrong. He's admitting it and seems a lot more placid on day 2. I suspected him a lot earlier, but less now for some reason.

Golena - Unsure. I've gone back and forth about him. On day one people attacked him and I defended him as he laid himself flat pretty much. Now on day 2 he's much more aggressive, and for some reason I feel that he and Morphius might very well be mafia. Still, unsure.

Morphius - I've suspected him from day 1 starting with the strange comment then. Ch3tan, the doc, defended him but that doesn't mean he's innocent. Something that speaks against a Morphius/Golena combo is that Morphius had voted Golena and didn't take his vote off as it became four votes.. then again, he did say he would have. I think Morphius is actually my #1 suspect, still.

Kirennia - Unusually quiet this game, but I think I know why. Last game he said something about "next game im going to be very quiet because you guys always kill off the vocal ones". So far it seems to work pretty nicely - Kirennia hasn't had too much focus on him and we have almost no information about him. Unsure.

 

[kirennia]

When I said the wrong person I didn't mean, Morph isn't mafia so he's voting for the wrong person. I meant if he believes Morph and Toht are a team, voting on Toht would of made more sense to me. If Morph and Toht are a team i'd of looked at the other townies. Given 2 of them are wanting to lynch me based on a possible Toht/Golena partnership you could kill 2 theories by voting on Toht, only one by voting on Morph.

I'm more sure about Morph then I am tohtori bud, that's why I'm sticking with him. Morphius I've had more of a solid reasoning to base my accusation on whereas with tohtori it's more a case of his sporadic behaviour in this game making me think he's part of the mafia.

I'm leaning towards Kirennia being mafia, no not because he has voted for me but because he comes in every so often and fails to, in my opinion, to read the rest of the thread. I think it all very suspicious that the rest of the thread doesn't seem important.

Vote Kirennia

I do have to say, that's very much incorrect; I've been reading the thread right from day 1 and commenting where I see fit, backtracking to older posts where I've wanting to see a correlation between earlier and later behaviour patterns.

Really, if you're just going by the number of posts people have made :

Golena 87
old.Tohtori 83
Levin 64
Olgaline 52
Ch3tan 27
Iceforge 21
kirennia 17
Morphius 14
Rubric 11
fl3a 7
- English - 1

It could be said that you've posted less then me anyway And if your vote really wasn't because I'd voted for you, Rubric actually said he hadn't read it all properly earlier on whereas I've never said such a thing so surely your logic would land on him unless you are voting for me for another reason?

Kirennia - Unusually quiet this game, but I think I know why. Last game he said something about "next game im going to be very quiet because you guys always kill off the vocal ones". So far it seems to work pretty nicely - Kirennia hasn't had too much focus on him and we have almost no information about him. Unsure.

I'd forgotten I'd even said this but I can hand on heart say that isn't why I'm being quiet; yesterday I felt all that needed to be said, I said to get people to no lynch (even though it turns out it would have been a pretty bad mistake) and today, I've put my views forward and left it as that. There does seem to be more arguing going on this game which I've just kept out of because I cba fighting over a game, even if what happens in the game stays in the game

My vote sticks for now.

 

[Levin]

Well.. after hearing both Rubric and Kirennia's points of view, and considering my own suspicions, perhaps we'd have a chance at getting this right then. As long as Kirennia/Rubric aren't mafia, it seems we have at least three townies agreeing that Morphius is fishy.

Time to take a stand.

Vote: Morphius

 

[Rubric]

There's only one reason i've been rude, and that's his "I've not really read the thread" comments that seem to litter his posts.

If he can't be bothered to read the thread, well, why is he bothering to play.

I can't find the post, can you point it out for me? I'll answer it.
Can you show me the post, I can't be arsed to look for it. The answer he got.

Simple.

Once i said that as i was being badgered to make a vote to save my skin thanks to the cheap power supply that came with my computer case going fizz.

You made an accusation you could not back up. Which is why i asked you to quote.

I hope you swing today mafia scum that you are.

 

[Iceforge]

Vote Count
Day 2

Kirennia - 1 - (Morphius)
Golena - 2 - (Rubric, Old.Tohtori)
Morphius - 2 - (Levin, Kirennia)
Old.Tohtori - 1 - (Olgaline)

Not Voted: 1 (Golena)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

 

[Morphius]

I'm more sure about Morph then I am tohtori bud, that's why I'm sticking with him. Morphius I've had more of a solid reasoning to base my accusation on whereas with tohtori it's more a case of his sporadic behaviour in this game making me think he's part of the mafia.

My vote has done what it was meant to do, your answer has helped me to put more pieces into the puzzle! I guess I was drawn to you because you're adopting a similair "strategy" to me of commenting where deemed appropriate.

Using however the argument I used for intially voting for Kirennia I'm going to swing it and use, as point out by him and change my vote, to Rubric. He has made few votes, originally because he was absent but now even when he does post they are short, sporadic, and very accusatory. It seems since switching from me he has been certain to vote for Golena and merely say things like "you have lied" (sorry if thats paraphrased) and "you have made an accusation you cannot back up". It's very attacking and forward.



Vote: Rubric

 

[Rubric]

My vote has done what it was meant to do, your answer has helped me to put more pieces into the puzzle! I guess I was drawn to you because you're adopting a similair "strategy" to me of commenting where deemed appropriate.

Using however the argument I used for intially voting for Kirennia I'm going to swing it and use, as point out by him and change my vote, to Rubric. He has made few votes, originally because he was absent but now even when he does post they are short, sporadic, and very accusatory. It seems since switching from me he has been certain to vote for Golena and merely say things like "you have lied" (sorry if thats paraphrased) and "you have made an accusation you cannot back up". It's very attacking and forward.



Vote: Rubric

Coming out in support of your mafia mate is not a smart move morph, and don't think you can rely on the i can't be his mate when we find him guilty because i would never have come out to support him reverse pshycology shit when ice reveals his true identity.