Off-topic Mafia #7 Game Thread

[ECA]

or maybe the mafia - lets say ECA or vasc (people who hadnt voted for levin yet, as per ECA's logic) - wasnt afk, and just didnt vote for levin from fear of walking into tohtoris trap (lets lynch levin, then we will know mafia is among the ones voting for the lynch)

I dont think it matters from a game theory POV, its probably better to have levin dead and then kill toht tonight than risk having a novote and having to play an extra turn, all sorts of blame games can take place afterwards, but most likely the mafia scum are not thinking so deeply. ( certainly not both together anyway given who's in the game ).

You're sort of right though, its better for only 1 mafia to have voted for the victim to make it tougher for the villagers in the day but I'm not sure how many levels most people are playing on

Besides which, we dont know about cop/doctor status yet, so any claims after that would get interesting in terms of denials.

 

[kirennia]

Though i am rather interested in kirennia and Will becoming so easy to listen to me.

I can make up my own mind thanks...

I already explained why my vote stands this way. Going into this game, I had the initial thought that the first person to vote for you would be who I'd vote for because you're a seemingly easier target because of your post game actions to put it politely, not being on peoples best side in this game.

My vote still sticks on Levin as a result...

 

[old.Tohtori]

I dont think it matters from a game theory POV, its probably better to have levin dead and then kill toht tonight than risk having a novote and having to play an extra turn, all sorts of blame games can take place afterwards, but most likely the mafia scum are not thinking so deeply. ( certainly not both together anyway given who's in the game ).

Actually i think you're quite capable of pulling a stunt like this. Not vote, but use it as a scapegoat thing to "prove" your innocent.

Also fl3a killing my idea by posting about it, was a rather "not a townie move".

to kirennia: Don't need to be polite, just seemed you were easy to jump on the Levin wagon. And your answer wasn't too convincing either.

Because if you vote for the first guy voting for me, as mafia, you would know i'm innocent and that the guy voting for me is too, and as such, you could easily make them look like mafia. A double-trick if you will.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well i'm going for vote:fl3a.

Why?

Reasoning follows:

- Stayed very quiet, witht he exception of snipey comments. the "i bet you wont" was mostly haha, but had an undertone in it. (nothing solid there)

- Destroyed my plan to bring out the mafia(ifirst rel contribution to thread too), quite quickly too.

- Perfect cover to out my plan. Instead of voting, as they might have done if i had posted another way(saved levin eh *grin*), out my plan and seem innocent and also warn the rest of mafia not to vote.

- Defended Will in the "non defending" style we learned from last game. Defending via judging others votes(see fl3as post to Levin - page 2-3?).

This makes me believe, Will and fl3a are infact mobbies. I'm going for fl3a based on these, as i see no bigger reasoning.

 

[fl3a]

tohtori, a much better play for mafia would have been to either join the will bandwagon, making it 3 votes each, and having vasc decide who gets lynched, or to simply not vote and wait for levin to get lynched, with only one (or neither) of the mafia voting for him, pushing the suspicion away from scum.

but from a townie point of view, you have to realise that none of us knows if the others are innocent - as i said in my point revealing your plan 'what if you are one of the mafia'. would have been a perfect time for making yourself seem 99% innocent in most peoples eyes.

as for defending will, you will find that i have defended nearly everyone, including you in post 54 - i dont want day one to go by fast, because in my opinion it is a very important part of the game, its not like some people say 'lets just lynch someone and get day 1 over with'. while i feel that your idea of lynching levin for informations sake would have given us action and ideas, not lynching has given us pretty much the same, but without losing a good player.

 

[fl3a]

at the risk of being too revealing yet again, i think i have now understood why you would want to go to night, providing you are a townie.

 

[old.Tohtori]

If you're a townie, it's good if you know my plan, if you're mafia, it's not.

I'm nto sure if i buy your explanation just yet, i'm a bit vary of anyone who knows the plan but outs it

Nothing personal ofcourse.

 

[Levin]

Kirennia, you are usually quite careful with how you cast your votes, and you usually have some sort of reasoning behind it. I don't really get your vote for me though. You say you would vote for whoever first voted Tohtori because he would be an easy mafia target. Okay, fair enough.

However; I based my Tohtori vote on an actual theory, and because it was based on a misunderstanding also rectracted it before you even voted for me. Thus, I feel that your motivation is somewhat akin to voting for someone because they have a green hat. This may of course be a tactic of choice, but if it is - it's not quite like you.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Kirennia, you are usually quite careful with how you cast your votes, and you usually have some sort of reasoning behind it. I don't really get your vote for me though. You say you would vote for whoever first voted Tohtori because he would be an easy mafia target. Okay, fair enough.

Hmm. Never thought of this. How could kirennia be so sure, as to vote with me(or against the first guy to vote me), if he wasn't mafia?

 

[Vasconcelos]

Ive been afk this weekend

After reading throu the post, sorry to tell you all this but most of the reasonings are just BS, its 1st day and we dont have the slightest clue about eachother. I now i aways end up doing the same on the first day, but rly, i have no arguments by now to vote for any1 so

VOTE: nolynch

for the time being

 

[Will]

I'm going to default to no lynch as well, I don't think killing a villager randomly gets us any further forwards at this point.

Vote : No Lynch

 

[ECA]

I'm sticking with my vote for will, but tohts vote for fl3a brings up some questions.

 

[Will]

What questions? I'm open to changing my mind on the vote, if someone has a decent (imo) reasoning.

Though voting for me is bad.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm sticking with my vote for will, but tohts vote for fl3a brings up some questions.

I think i had enough reason for the vote.

Though now i'm thinking of changing it to kirennia, since the "how could he know i'm innocent" thing is weighing a bit too much.

unvote

 

[ECA]

I think i had enough reason for the vote.

Though now i'm thinking of changing it to kirennia, since the "how could he know i'm innocent" thing is weighing a bit too much.

unvote

Well i'm going for vote:fl3a.

This makes me believe, Will and fl3a are infact mobbies. I'm going for fl3a based on these, as i see no bigger reasoning.

Uh so I'm voting for will, you think fl3a and will are mafia, but you're not voting for will when someone else already has a vote there?

You do realise how much sense that makes ? Yet another path of confusion?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Uh so I'm voting for will, you think fl3a and will are mafia, but you're not voting for will when someone else already has a vote there?

You do realise how much sense that makes ? Yet another path of confusion?

No. and there would be no point in trying to confuse people here, it's an endgame tactic.

I'm gathering information on all votes i make, and thinking for myself as i go along.

I've gotten so much info on possible allegiances, possible bad/good people by simply voting when i feel it's appropriate, that it's amazing really.

 

[Levin]

I'll vote for Kirennia because of what I said above. I think he's acting a little strange.

Vote: Kirennia

 

[old.Tohtori]

By the way ECA, you're the one confusing people here.

Talking almost in everypost about me confusing people, and then, voting back and forth yourself.

I've yet to put a pattern here, but will when i get more time(working now).

 

[Will]

Now my head hurts. I think I prefer moderating these games.

 

[ECA]

No. and there would be no point in trying to confuse people here, it's an endgame tactic.

I'm gathering information on all votes i make, and thinking for myself as i go along.

I've gotten so much info on possible allegiances, possible bad/good people by simply voting when i feel it's appropriate, that it's amazing really.

By the way ECA, you're the one confusing people here.

Talking almost in everypost about me confusing people, and then, voting back and forth yourself.

I've yet to put a pattern here, but will when i get more time(working now).

Its not endgame for you though, you did it last game from day 1.
I feel either you're trying to stir the hornets nest by switching votes a lot to cause defence, or you're just trying to build confusion - the problem is the result is the same, so whats the purpose?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Its not endgame for you though, you did it last game from day 1.
I feel either you're trying to stir the hornets nest by switching votes a lot to cause defence, or you're just trying to build confusion - the problem is the result is the same, so whats the purpose?

The purpose is my own observations and logics, trying to gather information the only way one can, and this "zealot like confusion quest" you have against me, is giving just that.

I didn't cause confusion in the last game until the end. So don't even try to pull that one on me.

It has ntohing to do with defense, or confusion, it's about information. I'm not changing my vote any more then you, or Levin. But YOU are the one who is making an issue out of my behavior.

 

[kirennia]

Hmm. Never thought of this. How could kirennia be so sure, as to vote with me(or against the first guy to vote me), if he wasn't mafia?

How can anyone be sure of anything on the first day? I made my decision based on your actions from the last town; knowing that someone would want to vote you off early, figuring that if they're part of the mafia, they'll be more likely to vote for you in that sense.

Once again we're both in the situation where I can say 'How could you be so sure as to vote the way you have...how can anyone apart from the mafia'?

Simple answer, you can't; I just realise it's a bad idea to get a no vote on the first day risking the fact that we might have no cop in town and lose an extra person before we even start. This was as good a voting system I could come up with; if anyone can come up with a decent argument which basically just doesn't happen in the first day, I'll change my vote.

For the record, I'm a straight vanilla townie.

 

[kirennia]

Ooh and I'm not voting with you, I fully understand there is a potential 2/7 chance you're part of the mafia (I doubt we'll have 3 mafia members here in such a small game), I'm just voting against the person who first went for you...simple as.

 

[fl3a]

there is 2 mafia, as said by iceforge in the first post.

 

[kirennia]

there is 2 mafia, as said by iceforge in the first post.

Ahh, missed that one. Point still stands though

 

[Levin]

Ooh and I'm not voting with you, I fully understand there is a potential 2/7 chance you're part of the mafia (I doubt we'll have 3 mafia members here in such a small game), I'm just voting against the person who first went for you...simple as.

So.. is it your theory that I am mafia then, since I voted and then unvoted Tohtori? Or is it more or less just a random vote?

 

[kirennia]

It's my theory that you've got a bigger chance of being mafia then anyonelse.

 

[Levin]

It's my theory that you've got a bigger chance of being mafia then anyonelse.

Alright that's fair. I still feel that you are not somehow quite your usual self though.. so I suppose I would have to have a similar theory about you. It would be quite silly now if neither of us are! Still, I do agree with you that it's better to vote someone than to vote for novote.

 

[fl3a]

mod: votecount please?
all this voting, unvoting etc is kinda confusing

 

[old.Tohtori]

Grr...you guys ain't making this easy hmm?

Have to check the "facts" when i get home. Make a big analysis and "blamelist".

then i'll vote. I'm basing my assumptions and logistics on mafia behavior though. You see, i was a rehabitational psychologist back in ye old days