Off-topic Mafia #7 Game Thread

[Levin]

But there was twisting of words, is plain and clearly in sight.

You said i said something, when i clearly didn't.

Of course you wouldn't say straight out "oh by the way I'm saying this to get this and that effect". That would kind of ruin the whole point of it, wouldn't it? The underlying meaning is there, well in the open for anyone to see. The fact that you deny it doesn't mean it's not there.

I'm not surprised that you're retaliating though. It's expected, really. As for my "usual playstyle" it has always been to try and have *something* to go on when I cast a vote on day one. As I did say, what I have on you isn't much at all, but it feels better than doing the "I vote for Tom because I don't like his hat" thing. You can't really expect people to have grand, intricate theories on day one, and yet voting needs to be done.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Of course you wouldn't say straight out "oh by the way I'm saying this to get this and that effect". That would kind of ruin the whole point of it, wouldn't it? The underlying meaning is there, well in the open for anyone to see. The fact that you deny it doesn't mean it's not there.

I'm not surprised that you're retaliating though. It's expected, really. As for my "usual playstyle" it has always been to try and have *something* to go on when I cast a vote on day one. As I did say, what I have on you isn't much at all, but it feels better than doing the "I vote for Tom because I don't like his hat" thing. You can't really expect people to have grand, intricate theories on day one, and yet voting needs to be done.

Nope. But there's one surely eminating from you like the stentch of a dead horses head.

That's a double-guilt comment and you know it: "Ofcourse you would say you're not mafia, which means you're mafia, even if you don't say it!". Pfft.

 

[Levin]

And no, you wouldn't want to kill me at night 'cause if you can get me hanged by day, it's a big bonus for you.

Why would hanging an innocent man during day be a "big bonus" for me if I was mafia? On the countrary, it would make me look like mafia. I could get the same net result by joining a bandwagon on day one and then murder you at night.

To summarize; I've voted for you because you've sent the message "don't vote for me because I will make you look like mafia". It doesn't matter what exact words you used. The meaning was there. If I WAS mafia, I wouldn't want to look like mafia - I would just kill you at night. Now if you actually get people to hang me instead, it will eventually come back and bite you in the ass, since I'm a townie. (see, I can use scare tactics too!)

 

[Levin]

Nope. But there's one surely eminating from you like the stentch of a dead horses head.

That's a double-guilt comment and you know it: "Ofcourse you would say you're not mafia, which means you're mafia, even if you don't say it!". Pfft.

You are quoting things I have not said. What I said was not a double-guilt comment. All I've done is to pick up on your scare tactic line. I'm not saying you're mafia "either way" - I saying you're suspicious for trying to scare people into not voting for you! And I have also said, I think for the third time now, that it ISN'T much to go on, but that it's better than nothing at all.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You are quoting things I have not said.

And there you go.

Ironic to the point of fault.

I never said what you claimed me to say, and as such, now that you're even enforcing i did, you seem guilty as hell.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Just to prove a point, i have to quote myself:

If these people don't hang me, i think i'm one of the people mafia will target just because of that.

you've sent the message "don't vote for me because I will make you look like mafia".!

See the difference?

I said "mafia will target me if the townies don't hang me. You just try and keep that lie of yiurs going.

 

[old.Tohtori]

You're the only one scaremongering here. I've not used any scare tactics, but you're using them by twisting my words.

"Ohh, vote for tohtori or he'll kill you!".

Please, go pull on the other one.

 

[old.Tohtori]

And like i said, it's better for you to get me hanged at day, then to have to waste a nightkill.

 

[Levin]

Just to prove a point, i have to quote myself:





See the difference?

I said "mafia will target me if the townies don't hang me. You just try and keep that lie of yiurs going.

Ah. Yes, I do see the difference now that you point it out. You were saying that the mafia would murder you at night. I thought you were saying that the mafia would try to get you hung. I misunderstood what you were saying, Tohtori. Well, in that case it wasn't scare tactics, and I apologize. I simply misunderstood you.

In that case.. I'll have to do this.

Unvote: Tohtori

Vote: Will

For being so quick to join in the voting!

 

[Levin]

And like i said, it's better for you to get me hanged at day, then to have to waste a nightkill.

I still don't see the logic on this one, why would the mafia care? They get two people dead either way no matter who dies at day and who dies at night.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I misunderstood what you were saying, Tohtori. Well, in that case it wasn't scare tactics, and I apologize. I simply misunderstood you.

Thank you. Takes a big man to admit they were wrong

I still don't see the logic on this one, why would the mafia care? They get two people dead either way no matter who dies at day and who dies at night.

They wouldn't care, unless one of their own was on the chopping block.

But they couldn't save them by saying "don't hang them", or even vote against other people, because it's easily seen as "defending".

Unvote

I dunno who to vote now. I have my doubts about Levin, of course. Will keep an eye out. Will, well, he did have a funny reason to vote for Levin and not for ECA.

Because really, the same reason could be used for either one.

 

[kirennia]

Sorry Levin but I'm with the idea that you're going unnaturally aggressive early on in the game so you've got my vote.

VOTE : LEVIN

It was your first attack being on tohtori... was aiming to wait and see who (seriously) attacked him first as they were more then likely to be someone whos going for the weaker targets early on in the game.

 

[fl3a]

levin you say that you always want to see a hanging on day 1, even as a townie, but vote will for voting you?

 

[Will]

In that case.. I'll have to do this.

Unvote: Tohtori

Vote: Will

For being so quick to join in the voting!

Thats a bit harsh. I personally feel that not lynching is better for the village on day one (provided there is discussion around it, and not a boring consensus) since the odds of hitting a mafia are very low. So people keen the lynch look suspect to me, as do people who make OMG you suck!!! votes.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I dunno. Levins actions are strange, so i'm betting he's not a 100% himself. But, that's based on previous experience, which shouldn't be used. But guess on day one you got nothing much to go on

Hmm...have to think it up.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Levin, this might backfire, but you know exactly what i'm about to do/think the big picture).

Vote: Levin

 

[Iceforge]

Vote count
Day 1

Levin - 3 - (Will, Kirennia, Old.Tohtori)
Will - 2 - (Levin, ECA)

Not voted: 2 (Fl3a, Vasconcelos)

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to lynch

 

[ECA]

When toht is trying to confuse, something is up and he's confusing at the moment.

unvote will
vote tohtori

 

[fl3a]

Levin, this might backfire, but you know exactly what i'm about to do/think the big picture).

Vote: Levin

what you mean is, even if you get him lynched now he will score a win when the town wins, and seeing who votes for him will help us find the mafia?
but what if you are one of the mafia

 

[old.Tohtori]

what you mean is, even if you get him lynched now he will score a win when the town wins, and seeing who votes for him will help us find the mafia?
but what if you are one of the mafia

Well i was hoping noone would say it to maybe fool the mafia

Now it's pointless.

unvote:levin

 

[Levin]

Thats a bit harsh. I personally feel that not lynching is better for the village on day one (provided there is discussion around it, and not a boring consensus) since the odds of hitting a mafia are very low. So people keen the lynch look suspect to me, as do people who make OMG you suck!!! votes.

Adversively, people who want a novote are suspect to me. In my opinion it's better that a "must get it right now" situation is caused by some daytime action than nighttime action when we can't see who did what. To me, a novote on day one feels the same as starting the game with one less townie.

As for being harsh, I don't think I am more harsh in voting for you, than you are for voting for me given the motivation you gave.

 

[Levin]

levin you say that you always want to see a hanging on day 1, even as a townie, but vote will for voting you?

Ah sorry Fl3a I almost missed this post.

Yeah I voted for him, mostly to make a statement. He voted for me for being quick on the guns (even though I had a theory, be it as it may that it was caused by a misunderstanding), yet he says it's better to vote novote. So why didn't he?

Nevertheless, it's true that I don't really have anything on Will. So...

Unvote: Will

Kirennia, you say it's uncharacteristic for me to be this aggressive. I can't tell others how they should see me, of course, but I have *always* been a proponent of voting on day one - especially if you have a theory to base it on. It's better to get some circulation going, some arguments back and forth, in order to get a feel for people's motives. I'm trying to be consistent in that, and if it means I get some votes - fine I'm used to it. It's usually the vocal ones who get targetted.

 

[old.Tohtori]

When toht is trying to confuse, something is up and he's confusing at the moment.

unvote will
vote tohtori

If i was trying to confuse, i'd do a hell of a more work at it.

I simply pointed out Levins misconception, that all.

Though i am rather interested in kirennia and Will becoming so easy to listen to me.

 

[fl3a]

right now im leaning towards not caring if there is a lynch or not on day one - it is pretty much impossible to win a mafia game without losing a single townie, but the point is for each lynch, no-lynch, nightkill and night-save to give us information. its stupid voting out tohtori simply because he is good at the game, its stupid to vote out will because we arent familiar with his game, its stupid to vote out levin because he is being aggressive etc.
dont lynch for the sake of having a lynch, lynch for the sake of gathering information (as tohtori was trying to do with giving the 3rd vote to levin)

 

[Will]

Meh, I don't actually think Levin is Mafia, but I've got nothing else to go on.

Unvote

Vasconcelos is being suspiciously quiet though.

 

[ECA]

Ok heres my pov, at 3 votes for levin, if myself//fl3a/vasc were mafia it would be the easiest thing in the world for us to add and kill levin.

That means either fl3a/vasc were afk ( I dont think they were ), or our mafia lies among levin/will/kirennia/toht.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Ok heres my pov, at 3 votes for levin, if myself//fl3a/vasc were mafia it would be the easiest thing in the world for us to add and kill levin.

That means either fl3a/vasc were afk ( I dont think they were ), or our mafia lies among levin/will/kirennia/toht.

Yeah, i'd set up a fellow mafia member up on the chopping block that easily, on day one, just to proove levin is "innocent".

Come on, like i'd be that stupid.

 

[Levin]

Ok heres my pov, at 3 votes for levin, if myself//fl3a/vasc were mafia it would be the easiest thing in the world for us to add and kill levin.

That means either fl3a/vasc were afk ( I dont think they were ), or our mafia lies among levin/will/kirennia/toht.

Tohtori's vote was only up for 1:43 hours though. I've been afk most of the evening myself. It's Sunday and it's likely that many others have been afk during that short window of time during the evening. Still, it's a good observation and it might be of help later on.

 

[ECA]

You're right levin - afks can influence it, but I wasnt and fl3a posted between there being 3 votes on you levin and there not being.

Following the assumptions that if I was mafia and levin is a townie, I would have voted for him, means either me+levin are mafia or I am not, given the math makes that unlikely ( 1/6 ). I'm also excluding the chance I'm mafia, because obv I'm not.

This means the possible mafia combos are:

Will+Kirennia
Tohtori+ Will/Kirennia.
Levin+Vasc/fl3a.


This ofc is barring AFKs but as you can see vasc is the only one of the 3 non-levin voters who could have been afk and only fits 1 combo.

unvote Tohtori
Vote Will

 

[fl3a]

or maybe the mafia - lets say ECA or vasc (people who hadnt voted for levin yet, as per ECA's logic) - wasnt afk, and just didnt vote for levin from fear of walking into tohtoris trap (lets lynch levin, then we will know mafia is among the ones voting for the lynch)