Off-topic Mafia #5 Special Game Thread #2

[Levin]

Actually, it would be interesting if Kirennia burnt now and turn out innocent. I think there's at least a 60/40 chance he's innocent which is more than i can say of some others here. I'd especially enjoy the look on Tohtori's face.

Again though. I agree that his "i was trying to trap you" tactic came back at himself pretty much. But consider this - if he was mid/hib.. or if I was for that matter - why speak up at all? There are plenty people here just enjoying our argument, and they're sitting safe as hell. And if you are a bad guy and have to speak up, it would be a pretty silly idea to start claiming roles and inviting all sorts of shit to go wrong. Add to that the fact that I know there can be 2 of each class, and I just think it's a too easy solution to vote for Kirennia.

There is my reasoning. Call me a liar or whatever. You've painted yourself into a corner Tohtori.. so i don't expect you to be willing to back down. Burn Kirennia and see, is all I can say. I won't vote for him though, because I'm not convinced he's bad.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Hmm actually, about my above post in response to Tohtori's claims.

It appears Kirennia hasn't even voted yet! So what are you really on about? You're just as fishy as anyone else right now Tohtori. Trying to put blame where there is none.. very underhanded.

No, kirennia hasn't voted, but he has pointed fingers in his "death note" post.

I was wrong in who voted first, but the point stands:

Why (invisibletank)?
Is it simply "someone" from the bandwagon?
If so, is that REALLY enough reason as you ask me all the time?
Why the avoiding of all my questions?
Why are you suddenly blaming me as a mid/hib? Out of other ideas?

Lots of weird things, not to mention:

Actually, it would be interesting if Kirennia burnt now and turn out innocent. I think there's at least a 60/40 chance he's innocent which is more than i can say of some others here. I'd especially enjoy the look on Tohtori's face.

Again though. I agree that his "i was trying to trap you" tactic came back at himself pretty much. But consider this - if he was mid/hib.. or if I was for that matter - why speak up at all? There are plenty people here just enjoying our argument, and they're sitting safe as hell. And if you are a bad guy and have to speak up, it would be a pretty silly idea to start claiming roles and inviting all sorts of shit to go wrong. Add to that the fact that I know there can be 2 of each class, and I just think it's a too easy solution to vote for Kirennia.

There is my reasoning. Call me a liar or whatever. You've painted yourself into a corner Tohtori.. so i don't expect you to be willing to back down. Burn Kirennia and see, is all I can say. I won't vote for him though, because I'm not convinced he's bad.

If you are mid/hib, you should speak up to keep yourself safe, as it's an underhand tactic to use previous games a a basis. Quiet ones always suspected, loud ones never? Suddenly tables have turned i see, or has your allegiance changed?

I haven't "painted myself in a corner" at all, i'm just curious on why you avoid all the questions, and suddenly even start blaming me as an mid/hib when all else fails.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not to mention all your posts end with some line to "make my life difficult".

"You've painted yourself in a corner"
"Don't expect you to back down"
"very underhanded"
"do you have anything else on kirennia"
etc etc.

You want me to answer more and more, as in, put doubt more and more, while avoiding and steering away from ALL of the questions posed to you.

 

[Levin]

And you seem to be doing exactly the same thing Tohtori. You avoid points I make and you try to twist and turn other things I say. I thought I had already explained why I voted invisibletank, but fine, I will humor you if nothing else to get some of your rabid foam off of me.

maybe but i think both of u seem suspicious atm however coz u seemed to back down very quickly (tho u did explain it) thats why i zerged u and not him..

Given my position that I think Kirennia is just as likely as anyone else to be innocent, I find extra reason to put those who were so quick to vote for him extra scrutiny. Invisibletank, on top, makes no sense in his reasoning as you can see above. He basicly says Kirennia isn't aggressive enough, and that even though Kirennia explained himself he's going to bandwagon him anyway. That's why i vote invisibletank.

Satisfied? Or did i miss any other quiestions you asked? I have a doctor's appointment now so I won't be able to post for a couple hours. Catch up later.

 

[Levin]

Oh and if i hadn't thought you actually are a scout, I would SO have zerged you instead tohtori. No hard feelings, hehe! See you later.. doctor time!

 

[old.Tohtori]

And you seem to be doing exactly the same thing Tohtori. You avoid points I make and you try to twist and turn other things I say. I thought I had already explained why I voted invisibletank, but fine, I will humor you if nothing else to get some of your rabid foam off of me.

I actually answer your accusations, which you deal all the time and from which your posts mostly consist of. And trying to ask you something for the nth of time is the other half of my posts. Calling me rabid, making light of the situation, not too convincing either.

It took Nth of times for you to actually anwer my initial question bout (invisibletank).

Given my position that I think Kirennia is just as likely as anyone else to be innocent, I find extra reason to put those who were so quick to vote for him extra scrutiny. Invisibletank, on top, makes no sense in his reasoning as you can see above. He basicly says Kirennia isn't aggressive enough, and that even though Kirennia explained himself he's going to bandwagon him anyway. That's why i vote invisibletank.

Satisfied? Or did i miss any other quiestions you asked? I have a doctor's appointment now so I won't be able to post for a couple hours. Catch up later.

(invisibletank) is agreeing with me, on the whole "no two scouts" thing and because, as many others, noticed how kirennia got rather owned with the final detail of the class. Nowhere does (invisibletank) say he'd zerg kirennia with or without reason.

You missed quite a lot of question actually, but didn't expect you to notice the big list up there.

 

[Calo]

People must not forget that lying is very common in this game.
Like last game, not everyone is always telling the truth, who says Levin is a merc? who say's he and kir aren't mid/hib? who says toht is telling the truth.

Its our job to get a feeling on everyone. My feeling is telling me kir is more scum then toht tbh.

Btw there are some REALLY quiet people here, can we have a mod prod again?

 

[old.Tohtori]

By the way, funny how your reasoning has changed from:

I think people are too quick to jump the Kirennia bandwagon, so im going to zerg one of the wagon jumpers. Imagine how easy it must be for the hibs/mids at this point to take out Kirennia (who they otherwise cannot kill during night). Too tempting not to vote for him.

Thus:

Zerg: Invisibletank

To a detailed explanation why kirennia is good and (invisibletank) is bad.

 

[Levin]

By the way, funny how your reasoning has changed from:



To a detailed explanation why kirennia is good and (invisibletank) is bad.

About your "list" up there. It's a list of questions mostly about invisibletank and why i voted for him. I then explained why here, and you attack me for being more specific? Oookay.

The other questions in the list were "why are you avoiding my questions" and "why blame me all of a sudden - out of other ideas?" Let me address them each then to make it clear to you.

I was not avoiding any questions on purpose. I've had a stressy, shitty fucking hell of a day at work and it's possible I shouldn't have engaged in a cock fight with you while not having the time to read through everything as thoroughly as you would have expected. In this game, if you happen to miss a fact or a question in a post, you get accused. I guess I should keep on pressuring you about how you didn't read up on who voted first between me and Kirennia then (or the fact that he didn't even vote at all yet)? No? Then drop it.

Yes i make fun of your rabidness because after all this is a game. It is kind of entertaining and i'm enjoying this - i hope you are too.

And why blame you? Well.. why not? Given all the conspiracy theories here you are just as likely to be in kahootch with Kirennia in a giant mud slinging contest to throw us others off! So yeah, I could blame you too!

 

[Levin]

Oh and one more thing Tohtori. Why are you attaking Kirennia for using quotes when both you and I do it a lot too? What's he doing different that seems fishy to you? I genuinely want to know because I don't see it. I invite you to try and convince me to vote for him!

 

[old.Tohtori]

First off:

Oh and one more thing Tohtori. Why are you attaking Kirennia for using quotes when both you and I do it a lot too? What's he doing different that seems fishy to you? I genuinely want to know because I don't see it. I invite you to try and convince me to vote for him!

What? Attacking kirennia for using quotes? What are you on about?

Then:

1: About your "list" up there. It's a list of questions mostly about invisibletank and why i voted for him. I then explained why here, and you attack me for being more specific? Oookay.

2: The other questions in the list were "why are you avoiding my questions" and "why blame me all of a sudden - out of other ideas?" Let me address them each then to make it clear to you.

3: I was not avoiding any questions on purpose. I've had a stressy, shitty fucking hell of a day at work and it's possible I shouldn't have engaged in a cock fight with you while not having the time to read through everything as thoroughly as you would have expected. In this game, if you happen to miss a fact or a question in a post, you get accused. I guess I should keep on pressuring you about how you didn't read up on who voted first between me and Kirennia then (or the fact that he didn't even vote at all yet)? No? Then drop it.

4: Yes i make fun of your rabidness because after all this is a game. It is kind of entertaining and i'm enjoying this - i hope you are too.

5: And why blame you? Well.. why not? Given all the conspiracy theories here you are just as likely to be in kahootch with Kirennia in a giant mud slinging contest to throw us others off! So yeah, I could blame you too!

1: I don't attack you, i just ask about you changing your reason to vote, and to what end is it for? You voted for (invisibletank) just "cause e's on the badnwagon", totally random, while attacking me for "not having a reason" when i actually trapped kirennia. Why you can't see it, is beyond me.

2: Don't patronise me, doesn't fit you at all.

3: Honestly i don't give a hoot what your week is like, if you don't answer something, i'll pressure it until you do. As will on anyone, this is an information game, and i'm in search of it, i don't take friends or hostages. If you're having a hard time reading everything, do it when you can then.

P.S: You shouldn't pressure me on the question you pose there, because i answered it. Already said, my bad, was wrong in that.


4: Not the point, the point was, i'm not rabid. Also that, taking the game too lightly, seems suspicious when added to your list.

5: Again, not the point, why do you blame me? As you yourself ask all the time, why why why? You said you believe i'm a 100% innocent, then turn on me when all else fails. So it seems.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Correction to aobve: "I don't give a hoot about your week in this game".

 

[Levin]

Alright that sounds like end of discussion to me. Time for others to speak up anyway.

 

[fl3a]

bit of a stalemate until some more people start to speak. mod prod ?!

 

[Lethul]

bit of a stalemate until some more people start to speak. mod prod ?!

Mod prod only forces people to be active by replying to mod that he indeed is monitoring the game. It does not mean they have to post anything.

Toth; what is this "when i actually trapped kirennia. Why you can't see it, is beyond me."
I can't find where you really trapped kirennia?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Mod prod only forces people to be active by replying to mod that he indeed is monitoring the game. It does not mean they have to post anything.

Toth; what is this "when i actually trapped kirennia. Why you can't see it, is beyond me."
I can't find where you really trapped kirennia?

Well ofcourse there's no "oh shucks, those pesky fl3a and tohtori got me again!" moment, but when i told of the last abiliy my class has, you can see it in kirennias reply.

You're not seriously gonna say you buy the whole "i was testing if you know this about the class" thing?

 

[kirennia]

I'm not gonna go back and reply to each post so far...all I can say is how exactly have you 'trapped' me tohtori? Once again, you're assuming your judgements are correct again without trying to look at it from the other persons perspective.

I'll say it again; hang me if you wish, there is another role up for grabs after this so from my games view point, I'll still be in contention.

From my view:

1)Game starts and the first thing I see is you claiming to be an alb with the same core abilities as myself (sounded like what you did last game to me)

2)I counter claim you and say you're lying because I have those abilities.

3)I say I'm a scout...lucky guess out of about 13 characters? lol.

3)I disclose who I was responsible for killing.

4)You come up with the final ability so of COURSE I'm going to unvote you. Seriously, why on earth would I continue to call you on it unless I want an innocent hanged?

To be completely honest mate, you have proven nothing to other people. How is you saying you have this third ability and me backing down in any way shape or form, you proving that you're an alb? All it does is says that you've claimed something and as a result, I beleive you.

To put it into perspective, if fl3a (not targetting you for any reason) were to come along and say 'look, I'm the cleric, I can chose to protect someone each night', that'd prove absolutely nothing other then he's claiming to be a cleric.



I still maintain, although I can't see the benefit of this logic in voting for someone who has to of guessed a number of variables correctly in order to be guilty, if anyone is thinking of voting for tohtori, DONT. Vote me off first to prove his innocence if anything, this is one of the first games where we have a potentially proven innocent early on.

There is my reasoning. Call me a liar or whatever. You've painted yourself into a corner Tohtori.. so i don't expect you to be willing to back down. Burn Kirennia and see, is all I can say. I won't vote for him though, because I'm not convinced he's bad.

If you beleive me, follow my reasoning and don't vote for him, no matter how much you two have started arguing

 

[kirennia]

can't edit so will carry on here:

Well ofcourse there's no "oh shucks, those pesky fl3a and tohtori got me again!" moment, but when i told of the last abiliy my class has, you can see it in kirennias reply.

I do also have to point out, just because fl3a has decided to vote with you, it doesn't prove his innocence at all. It's a little weird that you've suddenly turned from instantly jumping on him to now putting him in the same catagory as yourself after him having done nothing.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I do also have to point out, just because fl3a has decided to vote with you, it doesn't prove his innocence at all. It's a little weird that you've suddenly turned from instantly jumping on him to now putting him in the same catagory as yourself after him having done nothing.

Actually he did do something, and you'll notice it when i unvoted for him.

It was a mistake, fair and simple.

About the rest of your upper post:

You guessed from 1 class. And if you were mid/hib and know other mid/hib, it would be rather easy to know eachothers classes and know that nightkillers are the stealthing class(even without the knowledge).

You heard i can nightkill and am protected from such, you claimed you were the ONLY class in albion to do so, the scout.

I then tell the last ability, and you "back out" after your "plan" works.

Now, i was thnking if i should vote for Levin instead, but since you don't even care if you live or die(interesting) and just want to get a freebie alb class that noone will vote as only albs are on grabs, then you should burn guilty or not.

 

[kirennia]

Actually he did do something, and you'll notice it when i unvoted for him.

It was a mistake, fair and simple.

Will read up on it in a sec but first...

You guessed from 1 class.

How was it guessing from one class? You hadn't disclosed that you were a scout at the time hence it could have been anything...

You heard i can nightkill and am protected from such, you claimed you were the ONLY class in albion to do so, the scout.

No, I explained the severe unlikeliness of us both being in alb and having both nightkills AND night immunity; it wasn't just one thing. Once again, please put yourself in my shoes. I thought there was no way people would share roles as it was described that everyone would have a 'special' role...much like you're doing now. Upon you disclosing the fourth part of our class, I saw I was wrong, hence my unvoting and change of opinion from then on.

I then tell the last ability, and you "back out" after your "plan" works.

Once again...why on earth would I continue to vote for you when you reveal something only another scout would know? Backing out is the only logical thing to do as an alb.

Now, i was thnking if i should vote for Levin instead, but since you don't even care if you live or die(interesting)

Wrong. If I didn't care I simply would not be posting... personally I see it as a bit of an insult that you'd question my input in the game when I see myself as one of three of the most active people in the game so far... I simply see that I'm going to be hung down to flawed logic.

Yes I'm annoyed that people who signed up for something they really cannot be bothered to take part in and are now halting a game for other people (please note this is only aimed at a couple of people, not expecting everyone to post every minute of the day ), hence my initial vote for gravi- (8+days inactive) which you'll see to be correct at some point.

My post saying 'hang me and you'll see' which looking back I guess can be seen as a bit 'toys out of the pram', for which I apologise. I do however, still thing I'm being voted for by some people purely because I'm being very active. Didn't this also happen to you a couple of games back? And nearly vasc? As well as countless others who try to put a lot into the game for whatever reason and end up getting voted for.

and just want to get a freebie alb class that noone will vote as only albs are on grabs, then you should burn guilty or not.

Sorry but I do have to clarify this, hoping Iceforge will say it to be correct. The person who dies and picks up the role HAS to of been an alb. The role itself which they pick up can be alb, hib or mid, it doesn't matter so there is absolutely no immunity. The way you're saying this, it's looking as though you're accusing me of trying to cheat my way to victory.

 

[kirennia]

Just looked back and noticed you first voted for fl3a as you thought he was claiming to have a nightkill and night immunity and then unvoted him as soon as you found out he was innocent.

Sorry but...LOL the irony

 

[old.Tohtori]

Not gonna get into a tossback conpetition on the things that happened, as you're no more likely to change your view then i am.

Bt i can comment on this, if i put myself in your shoes, i'd think trying to hang an alb by claiming their class is bogus, would be an excellent tactic for a hib/mid. Only thing you did wrong, is that you backed out instead of calling my claim bull.

Only thing i'm guessing, your backing out was meant to achieve, is "proof" that you're an alb, which backfired.

It was guessing from one class as: A: You'd know what a stealther would do. B: Know what abilities a stealther has from fellow hib/mid. C: Know that scout would be the only alb stealther.

It's all very simple.

Need clarification on the "continue" game mode. If all the roles are alb, then it would be like i said. If there's other realm classes, then i was wrong. I'm not questioning your input, i'm questioning your interest in playing your class through when you know you can continue.

Personal opinions on this continue aside.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Just looked back and noticed you first voted for fl3a as you thought he was claiming to have a nightkill and night immunity and then unvoted him as soon as you found out he was innocent.

Sorry but...LOL the irony

No irony there, as you misunderstood it. I voted for fl3a based on my class and based on same thing i vote for you, which is the "only one stealther class".

I thought fl3a was a diffferent realm stealther, so tried to kill him by zerging.
I didn't think other classes could have night immunity.
Mistake understood, unvote, move to vote the next suspect.

 

[kirennia]

No irony there, as you misunderstood it. I voted for fl3a based on my class and based on same thing i vote for you, which is the "only one stealther class".

I thought fl3a was a diffferent realm stealther, so tried to kill him by zerging.
I didn't think other classes could have night immunity.
Mistake understood, unvote, move to vote the next suspect.

Change the second line to 'I didn't think another alb class would have nightkills AND night immunity' and you've got the same thing as I just did.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Change the second line to 'I didn't think another alb class would have nightkills AND night immunity' and you've got the same thing as I just did.

Well if you can't see the difference, i'm not gonna twist it out of sillypuddy for you.

 

[Vasconcelos]

One thing is for sure, for a strange reason, the most active ppl or ppl who try to have some fun roleplayin' are instantly pointed as suspects. Almost happened to me last game and I think Ive learnt the lesson.

!votecount

and pls, the first 2 games were far more fast paced. Not saying im fed up with this, but if we could speed things up a little, game would be more interesting. 1 week for each night will lead us to summer time

 

[Iceforge]

Zerg Count
Zerg 1

Fl3a - 1 - (Olgaline)
Kirennia - 5 - (Old.Tohtori, Fl3a, Vasconcelos, Invisibletank, ECA)
Invisibletank - 2 - (Levin, Gohan)

No Zerg - 1 - (English)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch!

 

[Levin]

One thing is for sure, for a strange reason, the most active ppl or ppl who try to have some fun roleplayin' are instantly pointed as suspects. Almost happened to me last game and I think Ive learnt the lesson.

!votecount

and pls, the first 2 games were far more fast paced. Not saying im fed up with this, but if we could speed things up a little, game would be more interesting. 1 week for each night will lead us to summer time

I agree with everything said. Also, I'd like to give a headsup that I will be going on a one week vacation (to the Canarie Islands YAY!) on the 21st of March so will be gone for a while then.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Mostly the reason why everyones reasonings and everyones arguments get so over the top and log, is because there's nothing else.

We've said all there is, there's nothing new, and people have voted respectively as they will. Don't think anyone can say anything to change views now.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Especially when there's 5 people not voting *frown*