Off-topic Mafia #5 Special Game Thread #2

[Calo]

I followed the whole story and my vote still goes to Kir. I just don't believe it that there are 2 scouts + infil for alb (which means 3 nightkills each night) + zerg kill + whatever special ability there is left.

Vote : Kirennia

 

[Levin]

I followed the whole story and my vote still goes to Kir. I just don't believe it that there are 2 scouts + infil for alb (which means 3 nightkills each night) + zerg kill + whatever special ability there is left.

Vote : Kirennia

Infil? Do we know there's an infil around now too?

 

[kirennia]

Well I'll cast my vote even though after one more for me it's going to be trivial anyway.

VOTE:INVISIBLETANK

I haven't heard anything about an inf either...are you saying your role is an inf as well Calo?

 

[kirennia]

Bugger, hit the wrong button...

VOTE:INVISIBLETANK

Now must wait 30 seconds, yada yada...

While I'm here, I still can't beleive peoples inability to accept the possibility of two nightkillers in a 'special' game...lol. Nevermind ehh

 

[Iceforge]

Zerg Count
Zerg 1

Fl3a - 1 - (Olgaline)
Kirennia - 6 - (Old.Tohtori, Fl3a, Vasconcelos, Invisibletank, ECA, Calo)
Invisibletank - 3 - (Levin, Gohan, Kirennia)

No Zerg - 1 - (English)

Not voting: 3 (Marc, Lethul, Rubric)

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to lynch!

I know the game is going slow, but that is normal in the start of games with many players.
But to please the masses and to make sure it wont take forever, next thursday at 18.00 CET number of votes for zerg is decreased by 1, and then 1 more for each following day, just to speed day 1 up! I know thats a week into the future, but any less would be unfair interference towards those with many votes.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well, one more vote for kirennia and i guess we'll know if he was telling the truth.

 

[Calo]

I'm not 100% sure but pretty sure there is an infil out. I'm also pretty sure there are roleblockers out who can block nightkills. I'm also sure that's why only 2 died tonight, because If we had 2 scouts, a hib nighkiller, a midnightkiller we would have had atleast 4 kills..

Btw, remember, mids know who the other mids are and the same with hibs, there will be patterns in that.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Btw, remember, mids know who the other mids are and the same with hibs, there will be patterns in that.

That's why i'm so suspectful of the behaviour of Levin and kirennia.

But, have to say, my nightkill was "foiled" 'cause fl3a was safe. Seemingly luckily, although fl3a could very well be hib/mid too as anyone.

 

[Levin]

If the deadline is in one week from now, i will be gone for a whole week after that. I agree that it makes it easier to zergkill people with shorter deadlines, but i think in this game it may have merit. Besides, i'm sure Kirennia would come back as someone else.

Question - do the mids know who the hibs are and vice versa? I didn't think they would, since it's like mafias wouldn't know who the members of the other family is?

 

[Levin]

By the way Tohtori, why is it so suspect in your eyes that someone might not be convinced you are right? As far as I understand it, you suspect me simply based on the fact that I don't suspect Kirennia as much as you do?

 

[old.Tohtori]

By the way Tohtori, why is it so suspect in your eyes that someone might not be convinced you are right? As far as I understand it, you suspect me simply based on the fact that I don't suspect Kirennia as much as you do?

No, i suspect you because of the sum of your actions, voting, both claiming a double-role, both backing eachother up completely.

You'd do the same thing, as i've stated on MANY occasions, if you were in my situation, you'd do the exat same thing.

 

[kirennia]

I'm not 100% sure but pretty sure there is an infil out.

Why's that more likely then any other class though, considering nobody actually knows what other classes do Unless you've got a list of abilities as part of your class, hehe.

 

[kirennia]

No, i suspect you because of the sum of your actions, voting, both claiming a double-role, both backing eachother up completely.

You'd do the same thing, as i've stated on MANY occasions, if you were in my situation, you'd do the exat same thing.

That'd be one hell of an awful plan, lol... Why would any hibs/mids ever make direct connections to one another in the open part of a game, especially this early on and DOUBLY especially as one of them looked set to be hung... I'm getting the idea that once you've made your mind up you wont change it for absolutely anything though.

The combinations of people to look out for are the ones who don't even bother talking to each other from what I've seen in the games...

 

[Calo]

If the deadline is in one week from now, i will be gone for a whole week after that. I agree that it makes it easier to zergkill people with shorter deadlines, but i think in this game it may have merit. Besides, i'm sure Kirennia would come back as someone else.

Question - do the mids know who the hibs are and vice versa? I didn't think they would, since it's like mafias wouldn't know who the members of the other family is?

Mids do not know who the hibs are and vica versa.

Well that's what i think and what is stated in the rules.
Surely there must be someone with a role to see who is what etc.

 

[Calo]

Why's that more likely then any other class though, considering nobody actually knows what other classes do Unless you've got a list of abilities as part of your class, hehe.

Well like I said I'm not 100% sure but it would make sense for me.
With all those nightimmune people around and roleblockers and doc's.
I might be way off and might be no docs and roleblockers and cops around but I think there are Maybe not like the usual mafia games.

There were 2 nightkills, 1 fumbled by toht so we can be sure there a few nightkillers in this game, how many.. that's a wild guess.

Hope that the quiet people are seaching for clues for who is with who. Or might be the whole mid/hib family that is quiet

 

[old.Tohtori]

That'd be one hell of an awful plan, lol... Why would any hibs/mids ever make direct connections to one another in the open part of a game, especially this early on and DOUBLY especially as one of them looked set to be hung... I'm getting the idea that once you've made your mind up you wont change it for absolutely anything though.

The combinations of people to look out for are the ones who don't even bother talking to each other from what I've seen in the games...

It's not that awful actually, when you ofcourse would have that to back it up. If you want to do something non-obvious, use obvious means. Not really expecting you to say "i see where you're coming from and it's a valid tactic/assumption" as you're the one at the recieving end.

I change my mind when there's reason, you've given nothing more then doubt. Your only defence has been and will probably be "but it was a plan to test you", and it sounds more like a "cover my behind" then anything.

 

[old.Tohtori]

By the way kirennia, i look at more then just the things i write. I write about what seem obvious and clear, the rest of reasoning is kept to myself really, as it's only reasoning that i base my decicions on. Like i said, i've not coerced anyone or even said "vote now he's bad!", i've said my opinion and people have put out their own decicions.

Stop trying to make me sound like this evil agitator and bandwagon driver.

 

[Levin]

It would be so nice if those who haven't voted could do so.. really, can't we put the deadline a bit sooner? I don't think those with many votes lose too much on it because at this point i'm almost ready to vote for Kirennia just to move things along. It's a battle between impatience and my sense of what I truly believe.

 

[Calo]

It would be so nice if those who haven't voted could do so.. really, can't we put the deadline a bit sooner? I don't think those with many votes lose too much on it because at this point i'm almost ready to vote for Kirennia just to move things along. It's a battle between impatience and my sense of what I truly believe.

Aye same, its not that kir is my suspect number one, but we know for sure he will come back as something else probably (if he is an alb, else good lynch from us!) To replace other people.

Or did I read it all completly wrong?

 

[Levin]

Or did I read it all completly wrong?

No I think you got that right. At least that's how I understand it too. But who's place would he take? Someone who's been modkilled? Do we have anyone like that yet?

 

[old.Tohtori]

I think Marc "relinguished" his place atleast.
And i think there was another, might be some modkills too.

This is why i'm sticking to my guns more too, even if i would nevertheless, because if i'm wrong(i'm not damnit!), Kirennia can walse back in with a nerner.

 

[Levin]

I think Marc "relinguished" his place atleast.
And i think there was another, might be some modkills too.

This is why i'm sticking to my guns more too, even if i would nevertheless, because if i'm wrong(i'm not damnit!), Kirennia can walse back in with a nerner.

Hmm yes. Well, even if i still believe you're wrong I might vote Kir too then just to get things moving. And also, if i'm right Kir will get back into the game as someone else, and that way it could actually benefit alb as we will (hopefully) prove to all the doubters that copies of classes exist. We can finally start looking at the REAL suspects.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Hmm yes. Well, even if i still believe you're wrong I might vote Kir too then just to get things moving. And also, if i'm right Kir will get back into the game as someone else, and that way it could actually benefit alb as we will (hopefully) prove to all the doubters that copies of classes exist. We can finally start looking at the REAL suspects.

That's true. If Kir is deemed as a Scout, i'll honest to gods as smacked as i will be, no longer have anything to hold against you. Well, more so then anyone else ofcourse.

so voting for Kirennia might save your behind, unless kir is lying and you're not, which would be really really bad.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Also, if Kirennia is what he sayes he is, then your vote shall bring the night right away.

But if not...

 

[Levin]

Also, if Kirennia is what he sayes he is, then your vote shall bring the night right away.

But if not...

Well the crapper is that from next friday I will be gone for a whole week.. and at this pace it feels like the game won't be done until then. So I might vote him just to speed things along. Hopefully he'll be back in Marc's place.

Fine. *sigh* Sorry Kirennia. I've never voted for someone I really think and hope is innocent before. Feels wrong in every way. But here goes.

Unvote: Invisibletank

Vote: Kirennia

Will that do it then?

 

[Rubric]

vote: Levin.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Just thought that if i was a mid/hib, that would've been probably the best coercing to voting ever.

Also very unethical in it too.

But, i guess we'll see now.

 

[Levin]

Just thought that if i was a mid/hib, that would've been probably the best coercing to voting ever.

Also very unethical in it too.

But, i guess we'll see now.

What would have been? And... eh? Who's unethical? Or would have been? I really don't understand what you're saying here.

 

[Levin]

Ah.. I think I understand what you mean now. You mean if you (tohtori) were a mid/hib, all this arguing would have been a very good coercing tactic to make me vote Kirennia?

Well, I'm mostly (80%) voting him to make things move along out of this stalemate since nobody else seems to bloody do anything. The other 20% is yes, to get you out of my hair and to prove my point.

 

[old.Tohtori]

What would have been? And... eh? Who's unethical? Or would have been? I really don't understand what you're saying here.

That if i was a mid/hib, getting you to vote like that would have been a very deviant tactic. Unethical etc too.