Off-topic Mafia #5 Special Game Thread #2

[kirennia]

i dont think iceforge would include two scouts

I'll refer to my previous comment in saying...like the last game where everyone turned out to be a townie?

 

[fl3a]

last game he said that it was a random choice, this game he said everyone has a SPECIAL role.

 

[Vasconcelos]

Both claiming to be the scout didnt make you look any good guys....

Im gonna vote to zerg you 2, and since I must chose btwn one of ye, and toht at least gave us somehow a proof to believe him.. sorry kir

UNVOTE: NOZERG

ZERG: KIRENNIA

 

[Lethul]

Just noticed, Marc is in the forums...why the silence?

i think he made a post saying he had to pull out and looked for a replacement? think it was Marc atleast

And as usual in mafia games we don't get any clear information in the first day first day and until everyone has posted atleast once. So only thing i really agree with so far is the mod prod

 

[Iceforge]

Zerg count
Zerg 1

Fl3a - 1 - (Olgaline)
Kirennia - 4 - (Old.Tohtori, Fl3a, Invisibletank, Vasconcelos)

No Zerg - 1 - (English)

Not voted: 8 (Kirennia, Levin, Calo, Marc, Lethul, Rubric, Gohan, ECA)

Prod sent to Rubric and ECA!

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to Zerg!

For those who don't know, Marc is currently looking for a replacement as he got something up preventing him from playing. If I don't hear from either Marc (about a replacement being found or aviable to play) or if one of those Prodded don't start being active/send me a PM (sending me a PM = active, you can always choose to stay silent) their roles will be up for replacement by Albion players who died.

Why Albion only? Well, a Mid/Hib can't replace an Alb role for instance, as it would lead to them immediately out their previous allied.
They can't replace someone from the other group either (Mid to Hib or Hib to Mid) without the same result.
Leading to people being able to figure out their new Realm simply by elimination of possibilities.

Meanwhile, an Alb can pretty much take any new Realm he wants as if he becomes Alb = same objective, if he becomes Mid/Hib he won't have any information aviable to him that wouldn't have been aviable if he had that role from the start.

Accepting to replacing will, however, mean you no longer nessecarily win with your previous condition

Unless anyone got any objections to this system?
Send compliants about the replacement system through PM only

EDIT: Changed Vasconcelos's vote, sneaky devil, posting while I was making my post

 

[ECA]

You guys spam more than me on these things I'm scared.

 

[ECA]

What the hell, we have to bandwagon someone.

zerg kirennia

 

[Levin]

I think people are too quick to jump the Kirennia bandwagon, so im going to zerg one of the wagon jumpers. Imagine how easy it must be for the hibs/mids at this point to take out Kirennia (who they otherwise cannot kill during night). Too tempting not to vote for him.

Out of all those who vote Kirennia I think only Tohtori is innocent for sure. The others are looking very dodgy in my book right now.

Thus:

Zerg: Invisibletank

 

[kirennia]

Well I'm almost out so I'll just have my final word before I get lynched... No matter if Tohtori was the one pushing for my death, he's still completely innocent from what I can see so albion, do not lynch him no matter what you do. When you discover my role, you'll see exactly my reasoning behind this and maybe you can look back over the last few pages and see exactly where I was coming from. Still bear in mind this is the first game I've directly linked myself to someone; I wonder why I've not done it in the past

I do however fear that with the weakness of our class, towards the end of the game it'll just be a case of all hibs/mids ganging up on him to kill him without even the need for an alb to get him lynched.

I fully understand the reason why some have lynched me even though I don't particularly see it as the wisest of things. To vote for someone who would of had to guess correctly the role title, guess the third ability wasn't a bluff as well as bring myself out within the first day...seriously, how stupid would someone have to be to do that... All I can say is that the next game, no matter what my role I'll more then likely be leaving it for a few days between each post as these are the types of people who continuously get themselves out of trouble. This is exactly why I killed gravi during the first night...no hard feelings, just I don't agree with signing up for something if you aren't willing to commit to it.


As for my suspisions? Top of the list will be invisibletank. Not because of his voting for me (have still never voted for anyone who voted for me direcly), just because of the way he's posted.

So:
Invisibletank...
Vasc is still my maybe
Rubrics inactivity has made him look guilty in my eyes...not because he's done anything to warrant it, just because not saying anything upto this stage is annoying.


I guess at this stage only Levin will be understanding my situation as another with a duplicate role.

 

[Howley]

well im sorry i dont know how i posted badly really, my opinion was that alb wouldnt have 2 scouts coz they could nightkill a hib/mid and get the other 1 zerged which came across as too easy for me...

but giving ur final word has me wondering if just maybe u are a scout too making me wrong... so um shit now i dont know where i stand
leave my vote and move on with the game coz im 50/50 atm... or unvote and hope i got it wrong the 1st time

 

[Levin]

my opinion was that alb wouldnt have 2 scouts coz they could nightkill a hib/mid and get the other 1 zerged which came across as too easy for me...

You know, it's not that easy anyway for the nightkilling albs. They are actually more likely to mistakenly kill a fellow alb than to get lucky and nail a mid/hib - at least in the beginning of the game. Remember they're shooting blindly each night. Also, while we don't know what roles the mids/hibs have, I find it likely that they have at least one, maybe even two, roleblockers who could completely neutralize the scouts now that they've outed their roles.

And also remember.. even if it does somehow turn out to be a huge advantage to have two scouts - Iceforge did say this game might be a little unbalanced because this theme has never been tried before. We simply can't expect this to be a perfectly tuned round.

Invisibletank, looking at how you posted when you voted for Kirennia, I think you're more likely to be an invader than he is. That's why I voted for you.

 

[Iceforge]

Hmm, is it just me or did this game just loose a whole load of pages? I had the feeling there should have been 2 or 3 more

 

[Calo]

Hmm, is it just me or did this game just loose a whole load of pages? I had the feeling there should have been 2 or 3 more

aye indeed, but fh was down 2days in a row so dunno, might have something to do with it

 

[kirennia]

but giving ur final word has me wondering if just maybe u are a scout too making me wrong... so um shit now i dont know where i stand
leave my vote and move on with the game coz im 50/50 atm... or unvote and hope i got it wrong the 1st time

Keep your vote as it is. Apparently changing your vote because you found out someone is innocent...makes you guilty? lol

At least this way I can take up Marcs role when I die

Hmm, is it just me or did this game just loose a whole load of pages? I had the feeling there should have been 2 or 3 more

Not sure mate, have looked back and don't see any massive gaps in the timeline though. Think as Calo said, it's more a case of FH being down for so long that's created this huge gap here.

 

[gohan]

right lets get zerging


*spams F8*


Zerg Invisibletank

 

[old.Tohtori]

I'm gonna take my vote to the gravey with me. You heard me, gravey!

Kirennia, if you are an alb scout, then its my bad, but then again, you killed someone night 1 with a loose volley, so it's not really "nice" now is it?

But there's no doubt, that kirennia turns out to be a treehugger, and Levin you're going tomorrow if i'm brutally honest. You've been defending Kirennia way too much here, so i'm atleast gonna ry and get you zerged.

Ofcourse, IF by some chance, i'm wrong, then, well...all is blown to bits and i'm gonna kick my computer and re-ases my situation.

 

[Levin]

Tohtori, the reason I defend Kirennia is because I KNOW there can be more than one of each class. I myself am a mercenary, and we already have one other dead mercenary. Assume for just a moment that I'm speaking the truth - wouldn't you believe Kirennia too if you were in my position?

Given how things look from my point of view, to me the people who are so quick to zerg Kirennia are the ones who are suspicious.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Tohtori, the reason I defend Kirennia is because I KNOW there can be more than one of each class. I myself am a mercenary, and we already have one other dead mercenary. Assume for just a moment that I'm speaking the truth - wouldn't you believe Kirennia too if you were in my position?

Given how things look from my point of view, to me the people who are so quick to zerg Kirennia are the ones who are suspicious.

Only adding to the fire, blaming those who zerg with a reason.

Anyway, yes, IF there was a dead merc and i was a merc, it would be really hard to make others believe that there are two identical classes.

As it stands, neither you or kirennia have said anything that would really change the doubts i have, and if i amy, reverse the table a bit, you'd do the same thing in my place.

 

[Rubric]

HI all apologies i have not been around not been able to get online. Will try tonight.

 

[Levin]

Only adding to the fire, blaming those who zerg with a reason.

Anyway, yes, IF there was a dead merc and i was a merc, it would be really hard to make others believe that there are two identical classes.

As it stands, neither you or kirennia have said anything that would really change the doubts i have, and if i amy, reverse the table a bit, you'd do the same thing in my place.

Are you trying to make me tell everyone what my special ability is? I don't see what else I could say to make you believe me. And I don't see how that would help either.

As for adding fuel to the fire, I think not. I'm just trying to make people see that there are more points of views here than yours. Mind you, all this doesn't mean that one of us have to be an invader. I still think you actually are a scout, which makes us two albs arguing. Much to the mids/hibs enjoyment.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Are you trying to make me tell everyone what my special ability is? I don't see what else I could say to make you believe me. And I don't see how that would help either.

Well, why don't you tell your special abilities?

As i see it, it's the only way you could prove you are what you are, and if you don't tell your ability, you seem guilty as hell. Also, i'd like to AGAIN tell you, that if the roles were reversed, you'd do this same exact thing.

I'll leave others to think on their own, i'm not trying to persuade people, i'm saying what i think and others do what they want. In good AND bad.

But, guess we'll know after the zerg.

 

[Levin]

And how exactly would me telling my special ability help? The other merc is dead so he can't confirm or deny I'm right. If I am making up being a merc, I could just as well make some ability up so it would prove absolutely nothing.

And telling my ability will help our enemies more than it will help albs - so no thanks, I'm not going to let you "bully" me into doing that.

Again, I say there ARE more than two of the same kinds in this game. And I'm saying that if that is the only base you have for accusing Kirennia - then you're way off the mark. Do you have anything else on him that I missed?

 

[old.Tohtori]

And how exactly would me telling my special ability help? The other merc is dead so he can't confirm or deny I'm right. If I am making up being a merc, I could just as well make some ability up so it would prove absolutely nothing.

And telling my ability will help our enemies more than it will help albs - so no thanks, I'm not going to let you "bully" me into doing that.

Again, I say there ARE more than two of the same kinds in this game. And I'm saying that if that is the only base you have for accusing Kirennia - then you're way off the mark. Do you have anything else on him that I missed?

The fact that he called my claim bull, yet i'm the only one with any evidence of my abilities, while kirennia just copy/pastes all i said.

The "i was trying to trap you with the last detail" is, seriously, not a good enough "save" for him.

Well, it seems you won't tell the ability you have, so there's only more doubt. Your word? Means nothing in the grand scale of things. Lying with a lie is deviant, but not at all uncommon. As in, saying "i could lie", to cover for the lie in play.

Burn hibbie burn i say.

 

[old.Tohtori]

More i'm suprised you're not burning kirennia up, that's why i also suspect foul play from you.

When the evidence and the blatant copy/paste tactic is right there, why aren't you getting "on the wagon"?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Also, kahootch theory is backed up with you choosing to "first zerg" the number 1 choice of kirennia on his "death note".

What reason, besides "weird" posting, do you have to vote for (invisibletank)?

 

[Lethul]

Toht is making some very interesting points. But i think its possible that there are 2 of each class, but 2 night kill classes seems a bit much imo. But i can't say i'm convinced

 

[fl3a]

im just posting as to not get blamed of inactivity or suspicious silence nothing has changed in my eyes, so theres not much to say. levin still covering kirennias ass to cover his own ass, in my eyes.

 

[Levin]

Also, kahootch theory is backed up with you choosing to "first zerg" the number 1 choice of kirennia on his "death note".

What reason, besides "weird" posting, do you have to vote for (invisibletank)?

Except that i voted BEFORE Kirennia did his "death" post. Read again. It makes quite a bit of difference. I guess you could say he followed my vote instead then, but that's no surprise considering he wants to try to save himself. If you were in his place, why vote for someone nobody else had voted for?

 

[Vasconcelos]

Except that i voted BEFORE Kirennia did his "death" post. Read again. It makes quite a bit of difference. I guess you could say he followed my vote instead then, but that's no surprise considering he wants to try to save himself. If you were in his place, why vote for someone nobody else had voted for?

I was thinking exactly the same, but at the same time, that logic would be valid either if hes scum or inncocent, as none wants to get kicked out of the game.

 

[Levin]

Hmm actually, about my above post in response to Tohtori's claims.

It appears Kirennia hasn't even voted yet! So what are you really on about? You're just as fishy as anyone else right now Tohtori. Trying to put blame where there is none.. very underhanded.