Off-topic Mafia #4 game thread

[Olgaline]

Oh and Calo got shot? Is that how mafia always kills? Or do we have a vigilante among us? Uh.. need to read back and see how others got killed, maybe we can notice a pattern. That is if the author didn't screw that up.

It has no barring at all,

here's an example of night 2 in game 3
Night 2:

Levin target Calo for investigation
Kirennia targets invisibletank for Mafia Nightkill
Lethul targets Levin with Protection/doctor
English- targets Lethul with roleblocking

and the following message:

It once again became morning in the little town. In the middle of the city, right on the town square where they gathered each day, they found (Invisibletank) dead with a gunshot wound in his back.
A quick search through his house nearby revealed he truely was John, townie

so that preatty much settles that, And remeber people, we most likely have a Player author, and even worse so maybe a Mafia author, so you cant really trust the dusk/dawn stories.

 

[Olgaline]

secondly: The new day came far before the deadline, so that was no coinsidant or mistake or a case of afk mafia...

morning msg came in 21st February 2008, 09:58 PM
and the deadline was Friday 22th at 18 CET

so no mistake here either, and i find it suspeciose that you seem to try and casually dismis my post and add these odd theories..

 

[Levin]

Anyway, I don't seriously believe that so.. just think of it as a small note. As for other speculations, I need to read up again.

Olga, I was not trying to dismiss your theory. Look at what I said here. And once again, as for further speculations (which include agreeing or disagreeing with your theory) I need to go back and read things over again. This is where I could say that I find it suspicious that you find me suspicious, but... I don't think anybody except the wolves would benefit from such an exchange.

Just to keep you calm while I read over things - yes, I think you may have a point. But I still need to make my own mind up on things.

 

[Olgaline]

ok levin, I'll give you the benifit of dout for now,
I'd still like to stress to the 4 or maybe 5 townies left,
If your sitting with a vanilla role, then surelly by now you'll
know that I'm on to something.

 

[Olgaline]

with 6 vanilla's down + me that's makes 7

so either we'r stuck with 1 vanilla "me" and a whole bunch of special roles

or I'm right about the vanilla vs goon theory

think about it

 

[Olgaline]

reading back it just occurred to me,
I would rock roleplaying a vigilante

 

[- English -]

well im not suprised the mafia didnt kill me. Its gonna be easy for them to persuade u guys im mafia rather than persuading u that calo was mafia.

Dont be fooled. I feel the mafia have won this game already. I got new suspicions though.

Toht u have been quiet about your doc role?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Toht u have been quiet about your doc role?

Well the night wasn't over when i got to bed, and i just got to freddys, cool down with the overkill theories until people have a chance to wake up. I took Levins suggestion to heart and protected myself, which was as useful as usual.

Should've just trusted that the mafia are doing this:

- Picking out quiet people(they basically went from quiet to quiet'est) and leave the more active ones to picker and hang eachother. Which has worked pretty darn well i'd say.
- Trying to pick out quiet ones and leave others hang people, to let the people hang the special roles if any. People with vanilla townie roles, usually don't have the "hotchpotch"(google recommended that!) to play that actively.

Calo and Vasc were the less active ones, and the ones with less suspicion, so ofcourse the mafia would go there. The only thing probably saving Vasc was his very odd "i'm so dead tonight" comment.

If i had to guess, next night, kirennia, cerb or vasc will get hit as the rest bicker so much, that they get nothing done. Will probably protect them, especially if we manage to hang an innocent again, as our only hope then becomes a night-save.

Olgaline, yes,it's quite possible i've got the only role that's special. Its' all random evidently?

Ofcourse, Levin Olga and English could be mafia and play this town, or well, ME like a lil doll. But it's all very speculative.

 

[Vasconcelos]

I rly thought i was gonna get nightkilled this time, in my eyes I was the easiest target. Maybe my comment did save me so mafia thought I could be protected by the doc, dunno.

I still think Olga is one of the mafia family (the other 2 i reserve to myself), so I'm gonna stick with my previous vote:

VOTE: OLGALINE

 

[Levin]

Olga suppose I'd buy your theory, who would you suggest voting on?

 

[Levin]

Oh and one more thing Olgaline. If you suspect Tohtori, you should really suspect Cerb too. That would make your trio Tohtori, Cerb and Vasc? Or replace one of them for English?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh and one more thing Olgaline. If you suspect Tohtori, you should really suspect Cerb too. That would make your trio Tohtori, Cerb and Vasc? Or replace one of them for English?

That's the thing i'm a bit worried about in Olgalines theory.

Incase i'm not the doc, cerb is mafia too, but what about english and vasc who are mafia too? that's 50% of our town right there.

Needs a bit mroe "focus" on the theory, and one that i would suggest too if someone else was claiming to be doc.

The thing is, if someone does anything out of the ordinary, say, levin saying "i'm the cop but i've been blocked", it's automatically an accusation claim waiting to happen.

One can only say something, as only the mafia know the real deals, and in my case, not even the mafia would know if i'm covering the real doc or really the doc.

 

[old.Tohtori]

By the way, the only person people here seem to agree on, is that English is a prime suspect. Just saying, i'm not too keen on voting for him, but it's one of the people in the town that's been almost at the chopping block and people are keen on hanging.

 

[- English -]

what i find annoying is the fact there doesnt seem to be a copper. Such a disadvantage to us imo :/

 

[old.Tohtori]

what i find annoying is the fact there doesnt seem to be a copper. Such a disadvantage to us imo :/

Depends on the mafia roles i think.

If there's just 1-3 normal mafia, it would help ALOT, but if there's a blocker or even a godfather+mafia combo, it wouldn't help that much more.

Basic problem is the individual vs town benefit thinking, which, is rather hard to find a balance with, but when you do, you make smart choices. Guess it's one of the key elements in town, strong numbers.

 

[kirennia]

I'm gonna stick to what I've been saying for the last few days:

VOTE : ENGLISH

I gave my reasons before and still stick to them; while others have put suspicion on themselves, especially during these later stages of the game, English was the only person pointing a finger with the Author role early on and try to pin someone up while not showing he was an author... I still think he's a mafia Author.

feb 12th 8pm

Dawn, start of Day 2

As Dawn drew, the town’s people gathered in the town centre to meet up. However, the town's people noticed a few were missing. As old.Tohtori did a headcount, he noticed (invisibletank) was missing! Suddenly Lethul scurried into the crowd, as if trying to be avoided.
Everyone looked around suspiciously...
They marched to (Invisibletank)'s house and searched through it, finding out he was Vanilla Townie

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to lynch

feb 12th 9pm

the question is do we believe the storyteller or not, he could be mafia afterall.

feb14th 9am

Ive been caughted up in a bucket of work this weeks so ill catch up 2nite and give my 2cents then

feb14th 9pm

!votecount

please

No 2 cents? Just straight in with a votecount to see if the pinup has worked?

feb15th 1:25 pm

vote rubric

time to get on with it imo

Final vote on Rubric after still having said nothing about the author role.

feb15th 11pm

i do actually think its Toht... I wanna get this round rolling!

vote Tohtori

what do u have to say to defend yourself

Straight in attacking someonelse....again.

feb16th 1am

id happily reveal my class though i can assure i would be certainly killed next round. Imo its toht/levin or if not amanita.

feb16th 12:25pm

Hmm i dont have any really. But your one of those people who I wouldnt want in the game. And considering you were a Townie last game, i suspect your Mafia this game. Even though it may have been random, I dont trust that.

Being that he was part of the mafia last game, it seems a pretty long shot at trying to get yourself off the hook...

feb16th 4pm

levin/toht are mafia.. couldnt be more obvious imo ;/

<snip some comments>
feb 17th midday

well if you think that your obviously scum.

Guys Im going to come clean. Its a BAD move I know, however, if there is a DOC out there I beg you if I get through this day stage to protect me! I am the _ AUTHOR _. This can be proved on the next scene upon request.

So it took five days for him to admit to being the author after there had been a hanging. I still don't get why you'd say these sorts of things if you're on the townies side but on the other hand, if you are part of the mafia it all makes sense.

After this he started to look more innocent but that's still 5 days where I don't think he could have looked more guilty. A slip up? My vote sticks.

 

[Levin]

Who do we have left alive now, anyway?

Levin (me)
Tohtori
Olgaline
English
Vasconcelos
Kirennia
Cerb

Did I miss anyone..?

 

[old.Tohtori]

Nope, that's it.

If we hang the wrong one today, and there's no succesful night-save, then it's gonna be "three votes to kill" and, well, that's gonna be "fun".

 

[old.Tohtori]

Oh and yeah, if there's 3 mafia, and there's no night-save, then this is the final move before mafia wins.

but hey, no pressure.

 

[- English -]

Wow Kir, thats a nice long post you just made yourself. Perhaps its the final push to get everyone else into believing you. You KNOW if i go, the Mafia win. I think you overdid it with that post. Any other townie (toht for one) can see im innocent and your still trying to make it look like im mafia. The mafia made a mistake in not getting rid of me imo because I was waiting to see who was the first to launch an attack on me.

vote Kirennia

now its just a matter of hoping the other innocents see the mistake you just made.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Wow Kir, thats a nice long post you just made yourself. Perhaps its the final push to get everyone else into believing you. You KNOW if i go, the Mafia win. I think you overdid it with that post. Any other townie (toht for one) can see im innocent and your still trying to make it look like im mafia. The mafia made a mistake in not getting rid of me imo because I was waiting to see who was the first to launch an attack on me.

vote Kirennia

now its just a matter of hoping the other innocents see the mistake you just made.

Well i don't KNOW you're innocent, i suspect you are, but i can't be sure ofcourse. You were a bigger suspect earlier for me, but now that the group is at a danger level, i REALLY have to look at everything before casting a vote.

 

[Levin]

Call me crazy, but i'm actually inclined to believe English here. It's just a little "too" obvious that he would be mafia. Too easy. An itch behind the ear that tells me he's clean. So based on that...

Vote: Kirennia

 

[old.Tohtori]

The thing is though, what reason is there for kirennias vote?

There are reasons for english, if we take earlier ones into consideration, but before i can "get on this", i need some more info.

If i had to choose RIGHT NOW between kirennia and english, i'd go for english, but it's only 'cause i can't see any other reason to vote for kirennia then "over justification".

 

[- English -]

I'm gonna stick to what I've been saying for the last few days:

also may i quote this;

i think the mafia have had a strict plan going on.. They have seen how things have been progressing, and Kir has planned to launch attacks prior to this main attack today. Saying this, backs him up and makes him look 'innocent'.

 

[old.Tohtori]

I was waiting to see who was the first to launch an attack on me.

That, by the way, is exactly the dangerous "me" mentality that has got us into this point now.

Revenge and petty selfishness has only gotten us vanilla hangings.

I'm not saying kirennia is innocent, i honestly couldn't tell, but i just find that to be a poor reason for such a major decision. This is possibly our final vote, so we have to consider it well and hard.

 

[- English -]

That, by the way, is exactly the dangerous "me" mentality that has got us into this point now.

Revenge and petty selfishness has only gotten us vanilla hangings.

I'm not saying kirennia is innocent, i honestly couldn't tell, but i just find that to be a poor reason for such a major decision. This is possibly our final vote, so we have to consider it well and hard.

Well since day 2 everyone have been expecting me? Probably the main reason because im active, and expressed my opinions on things.

just ask yourself why the mafia haven't got rid of me. Why Calo last night? he hasn't said much so it would be harder to make some1 believe them hes mafia. They know im an easy target and it would be easy to make the other townies believe im mafia.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well since day 2 everyone have been expecting me? Probably the main reason because im active, and expressed my opinions on things.

just ask yourself why the mafia haven't got rid of me. Why Calo last night? he hasn't said much so it would be harder to make some1 believe them hes mafia. They know im an easy target and it would be easy to make the other townies believe im mafia.

The thing is though, it's a bit of a 50/50 roll there.

You could very well be mafia, and this kind of "they've been leaving me alone because you'll hang me" would be a perfect cover. Right?

So the thing becomes dependent on the rest.

You've both, kirennia and you that is, have attacked eachother.
You've both been at it for a long time.
You've both given very good reasons for, and have acted suspiciously against, on your own behalf.

To be honest, you've both acted pretty much the same, except for the vocal parts. Kirennia more quiet, you more active.

So the question becomes, are the mafia loud or not? That does not work for you, as the mafia have been taking out the quiet ones.

As you can see, it's a hard choice to make.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Well since day 2 everyone have been expecting me?

This caught my eye mroe though, if everyones been suspecting you, and noone been suspecting kirennia, wouldn't the logical choice be you?

Do say if you disagree, but how would you act in my behalf?

 

[old.Tohtori]

And not to spam, but i also find it interesting, good or bad, that English defends himself avidly while heating the fire beneath kirennia at the same time, while kirennia is just quiet.

this might mean either way, will wait for opinions.

 

[- English -]

This caught my eye mroe though, if everyones been suspecting you, and noone been suspecting kirennia, wouldn't the logical choice be you?

Do say if you disagree, but how would you act in my behalf?

Well yes theres two sides to every book. Think of it like the hare and the tortoise, im the hare and kirennia is the tortoise. Im the louder one, hes the quiet and manipulative one. Who won in the end? Well this would mean Kirennia.

However its not the end of the race yet, and if the hare could go back to the race im sure he would change his tactics. Dont let Kirennia get one over you because your too blind to see what hes doing, dont let the toitose win again!

dam toitoises, such a weird word to spell :<