Off-topic Mafia #4 game thread

[old.Tohtori]

Dont let Kirennia get one over you because your too blind to see what hes doing,

No offense here, but "offending" my intelligence towards a vote, or saying kirennia can manipulate me, is not helping.

I'm actually feeling more manipulated by you at the time.

 

[- English -]

its a figure of speech

 

[old.Tohtori]

its a figure of speech

Be it as it may, the point stands. You've, presonally saying this, been seeming to manipulate the vote, away and towards, the whole time. While kirennia doesn't bother to more then reason his vote, you want to get others to vote too.

It's a bit worrying.

 

[- English -]

Be it as it may, the point stands. You've, presonally saying this, been seeming to manipulate the vote, away and towards, the whole time. While kirennia doesn't bother to more then reason his vote, you want to get others to vote too.

It's a bit worrying.

ah well, will find out when i get lynched.

The mafia are laughin their heads off tho ;x

 

[old.Tohtori]

ah well, will find out when i get lynched.

The mafia are laughin their heads off tho ;x

That's just the kind of thing i mean...everything you seem to say, has either the meaning "i'm innocent" or "the bad guys are there" point to it.

Seemingly atleast.

Might also be how you speak, but it's just been present the whole time.

But, like said, need more info and opinions before this vote should be cast. Hopefully people aren't triggerhappy just to end the game, because that owuld be just...bleh.

 

[- English -]

That's just the kind of thing i mean...everything you seem to say, has either the meaning "i'm innocent" or "the bad guys are there" point to it.

Seemingly atleast.

Might also be how you speak, but it's just been present the whole time.

But, like said, need more info and opinions before this vote should be cast. Hopefully people aren't triggerhappy just to end the game, because that owuld be just...bleh.

well it seems like alot of people have been inactive due to their roles. For me its the 2nd game and i still enjoy it.

 

[Olgaline]

First off all, as to my theory, you'd be incorrect to say that cerb needs to be mafia
for it too hold true, "if" toht is mafia "and note I havnt directly acused him yet"
all he needs to do is to not perform a night kill and claim to have protected an innocent
This works to a larger advantage than claiming to have protected a fellow mafia under the
pretence of him being innocent, since with the forst option you, seemlingly perform your role,
and you convince an innocent to your legitemacy and therby earn an allied until you no longer need him.
and especially in this case where there want any suspecion to begin with aimed at cerb so why pull him to the spot light ?

No if toht is infact guilty chances are cerb is innocent.

also, we'r now at the stage of the game where we have no reason to hold back on questioning anyones motives,
so why should anyone be sat free of that?

Also toht you seem eager to defend kir, why ?
English you seem eager to have kir hung ? why on what grounds? simply becuase he pointed at you ?
He's arguments are fair, and it's not exactly as if you where right about Lethul, or have you chosen to
fortunately neglect that little tid bit of info,

But odd how people seem to dance around the whole subjuct that i riased,
Atm it's seems the mafia are more intrested "and with good reason" to divert the discussion from
my origional post about there being 3 goons and 4 vanilla townies.

and guys, dont be fooled here, sit back and think for a sec,

We have NO! evidence of any cop, so the godfather is pointless
we have NO evidence of any masons so the traitor is pointless
we have no real evidance of a doctor exept a claim, of wich you cannot proove or disproove
but why setup a game with 3 goons 9 vanilla townies and 1 doctor ? dosent make much sence dose it ?

And random ? well sure but i do declare that the roles have been pre picked the random is mearly
who gets wich role!

 

[Olgaline]

the bit I'm still struggeling with is connecting the dots.
and who ever the mafia are they've been good at avioding this

 

[Levin]

Tohtori, I have had my eye on Kirennia for a long time. I'm not acting on an impulse here.

About English defending himself and Kirennia being quiet - that's not true either. Kirennia just hasn't needed to defend himself until now. But he's very clearly pointed at English almost from the start. I think English is a little bit like Vasconcelos. They're hot headed, but innocent.

I think I see a couple of camps developing here, with English/Vasc/possible me on the one hand.. and Kirennia/Toht on the other hand. Olgaline shoots at people from both camps which makes me believe he's innocent too (unless our wolves are Olga/Kir or Olga/Cerb), and Cerb is being his usual quiet self. Strange that he wasn't murdered last night though, if Tohtori protected himself. If Cerb is mafia, then i'm sure he is teamed with Tohtori.

At the moment it feels like our bad 'uns are Tohtori/Kirennia, Kirennia/Cerb or Cerb/Tohtori. Unless it's all three but, well, all the more chance to hit the right ones then! Anyway, my vote for Kirennia stands.

 

[old.Tohtori]

1: for it too hold true, "if" toht is mafia "and note I havnt directly acused him yet"

2: No if toht is infact guilty chances are cerb is innocent.

3: Also toht you seem eager to defend kir, why ?

4: But odd how people seem to dance around the whole subjuct that i riased,
Atm it's seems the mafia are more intrested "and with good reason" to divert the discussion from
my origional post about there being 3 goons and 4 vanilla townies.

5: We have NO! evidence of any cop, so the godfather is pointless
we have NO evidence of any masons so the traitor is pointless
we have no real evidance of a doctor exept a claim, of wich you cannot proove or disproove
but why setup a game with 3 goons 9 vanilla townies and 1 doctor ? dosent make much sence dose it ?

6: And random ? well sure but i do declare that the roles have been pre picked the random is mearly
who gets wich role!

Gonna answer, as you said, my points.

1: No, you haven't accused me, and that's the way it should go really. Accusations should be based on something, and i'm not surprised i'm a suspect. Ofcourse it's only me who knows, so i can't prove it to you either. Only thing i could say is that "i'm innocent", but isnt' that everyones mantra herE?

2: That's an interesting theory really and would be a VERY efficient tactic. Hell, if i was mafia, i wish i'd thought of that.

3: It's easy to confuse me defending kirennia, i'm not, i'm saying why kirennia is less of a suspect for me then English. There's a difference, and i don't mind people confusing it. It's hard to spot such things without spoken word.

4: I for one am not diverting it, i just can speak for myself. I've even mentioned the possibility of 3 mafia because i wanted to stress the severity of our vote. Only thing i disagree is:

6: I believe, this should be confirmed by Iceforge to be sure, that the roles and placement are ALL random. Only the possible roles are set as "parameters". That's why, weird combos like what you suggest, could happen.

5: Random ahs to be the answer here too. If it's not, then it indeed would be weird.

 

[Olgaline]

Vasc you do know that my head is not a piñata, candy wont burst out of my head if I'm killed.

oh and Levin not to point, but what if it's you and toht ?

 

[old.Tohtori]

At the moment it feels like our bad 'uns are Tohtori/Kirennia, Kirennia/Cerb or Cerb/Tohtori. Unless it's all three but, well, all the more chance to hit the right ones then! Anyway, my vote for Kirennia stands.

Well this is interesting, you went from "make him "town leader"" to "he's surely mafia in one night. Not accusing, just saying, that surely english hasn't said THAT much to THAT quickly to change your mind completely.

Unless, and here's another theory to chew on, you and english were at eachothers throats and such, just as a "ruse".

Not to mention your "sudden" interest in kirennia, i don't think you've even sneezed at that direction before now.

 

[old.Tohtori]

Might be wrong, but Levins input just tipped the scale really. Might be wrong, might not, and all i have to go with are my word and brains, but just seems like too much of a quick change there. So, since noone would vote for Levin( i don't think so), i'll have to vote simply against the possible alliance:

vote: english

 

[- English -]

Might be wrong, but Levins input just tipped the scale really. Might be wrong, might not, and all i have to go with are my word and brains, but just seems like too much of a quick change there. So, since noone would vote for Levin( i don't think so), i'll have to vote simply against the possible alliance:

vote: english

dont be offended toht but
im hoping you are mafia really because i thought you were of the intelligent type. IF you are not not you have to admit you have been purely bamboozled by the mafia.

However, if you are mafia you could perhaps deserve to win with saying you were to doc. As noone counter claimed it, im kinda thinking there isnt any doc anyway. The question is why would you say such things when you didnt know.... or did you know there wasn't a doc?

 

[Olgaline]

aye toht, some confirmation would actucally be nice on that account,
as to the random.org configuration, but it would be abit of a puzzel to put all the bricks in place then.

keep in mind, all the mafia roles hold no power in them self.
a godfather is useless without a cop, so to have a godfather in a game you need the cop
a traitor is useless without masons, so you'd need at least one mason
a psyciatrist is useless without a psycopath, and a serial killer would have emerged by now has he is forced to kill each night!

so I'm preatty sure he choose's the roles, but if he's willing to disclose the info that would be great

 

[Olgaline]

sorry for the edit but i made a double typo looked dumb in them self hold no power in them self ...see

 

[Levin]

It is true that i've kept my suspicions towards Kirennia to myself until now. I didn't feel like sticking my neck out that early in the game and, to be honest, I wasn't as sure then as I am now. At this stage of the game however, I don't believe we will benefit from any hidden cards, so I'm placing all mine on the table.

For curiosity's sake, I've suspected Olgaline just as much as I've suspected Kirennia - but recent postings has made me more suspicious of Kirennia and less of Olgaline. If I got things wrong - then it's well played by whoever tricked me.

Tohtori is more and more appearing to be Kirennia's spaghetti brother.

 

[Cerb]

ya ive been quiet as usual...sorry ok so looking through the people that are left there certainly are some targets being spoted me among them *gulp*

ok of the 7 left im just going to run through them and try to shoot from the hip about how i view them

Levin- ok if this guy is mafia ill eat my hat...and shake his hand becuase if this has all beeen an act he deserves an oscar so im going to say hes innocent

Toth- claims he protected me and if it wasnt what ogaline said about him being mafia and protecting me so id be on his side id trust him as much as levin but not im not so sure but im still inclined to think hes innocent

Ogaline- either a very logical mind in a group of headless chickens or a mafioso genius....argues his point weel and logicaly and for some reason doesnt get suspected becausde of this like kireiana does? why? im not so sure so im going to say Mafia (i should mention at this point with 13 people starting i believe theres more than likely 3 mafia)

Kirieana(sp?)- quiet for much of the start of the game but has been more active lately...does this make him mafia or not? im very suspicious of him...as much as anyone but its not so much becuase he "over justafied" himself its more that to keep quiet for most of the game and suddenlt burst out with all this info ( yes i know...pot...kettle...black...sorry) like hes been building a case against english....well its either a mafia trying to get rid of a good one or hes the least vocal cop ever on this one im unsure

-English- well im going to come straight out and say that english is in my eyes mafia and has been playing his role rather well but i think his tactic (or at least the one i think ive seen) has been a bit too obvious....he sits back and points and shouts blame at people constsntly and god forbid someone should suspect him!! if they do he instantly launches into self protect mood and shouts "THEYRE GONA KILL ME CAUSE I KNOW ITS THEM!!!! AND OH IF I DONT GET KILLED THEYRE STILL MAFIA CAOUSE THEY KNEW THEY COULDNT KILL ME AS IT WOULD SHOW ITS THEM!!!" i mean how mant times has he used this to get attention off himself in this game? mafia

vascalanos- Been very much like me and i reckon hes using tactics somewhat similar to mine keep quite to avoid being lynched and keep reading while trying to help by making hopeflly sensible coments and trying to vote for the right people so i say innocent

this leave me and either way id say i was innocent but in trying to defend my self and the fact ive been inactive wel all i can say is i picked a game style early on when i seen how much suspicion was put on people who spoke up quite a bit and ive stuch to it....

ok so with my theory that theres 3 mafia id have to go with them being English, ogaline and well as im unsure kireiana but ther one im most sure about is english so im going with

Vote:English

at this stage its make or break so im going all guns blazing with my vote on him despite the inevitable accusations ill now get from him as i think its the only safe vote to keep us alive for one more day..if we get through tonight ill be more open to rational thought

 

[Cerb]

oh and yes i know im a hideous typer when it comes to spelling mistakes but when im trying to type fast it happens

 

[- English -]

Well its obviously me whos going to be lynched.

But let me say 1 thing, GL.. the mafia are laughin their heads off. For me now, i feel its about self pride in knowing whos mafia and my last 3 people to guess are : toht, kirennia and levin.

Maybe right, maybe wrong. Ill tell you guys for the last time, and for free that im innocent. Believe me or not. Good luck anyway fellow townies.

Kirennas master plan may have won you over, but not me!

 

[Olgaline]

well this was unexpected i must admit!

English - Kir, toht, cerb
Kirennia - english, levin
Olgaline - Vasc

The only one I had expected was Vasc's vote for me

 

[Olgaline]

ok a few things english,
First off all, that jibberish is getting tiresom quckly, you used the exact same line the last time.

secondly even if you are innocent and end up lynched i dout anyone will be laughing their heads off, it's just a game, at best they'll be glad they won. I'd be very suprised to see actual vengefull taunting among the people playing this game.

also whats with the yet again "toys out the pram" act, you arent lynched yet,

 

[Olgaline]

quckly = quickly

 

[- English -]

when i say laughing their heads off. I meant the mafia will be laughing at the stupidty of the remaining townies. To find the mafia, you have to think like the mafia.

 

[Olgaline]

tbh this situation had been far more usefull one day ago,
I'm scared to take a chance either way.

and the sad bit is that we might still be faced with a toht/levin team
and with the reasent wedge between them here's my dilema,

toht seems the more guilty of the two yet he's also the biggest risk
as if he's genuine then he's the only thing standing between us and curtain defeat
if we lynch a townie.

whats "funny" tho' is that everyone has his prime suspec what wich ever reason.
but no one "including me" has really offered any real theory or evidence towards a teamwork trend, and what got me was that up until now the seemingly clearest teamwork was that of toht and levin, altho be it discreate it was plain as day, now was that by guilt, by convinience or by chance is hard to tell, and this alliance has kinda been blown to pieces now, with each in his camp pointing at the other's apparent friend "note not directly at eachother"

I was hoping they'd stayed allied but atm I'm leaning towards english,
and if it wasnt for me being wrong first on starting on Amanita and lastly final blow on lethul who both turned out innocent, I'd Hang english like a stray cat with out flinching, come victory or defeet, but atm the mafia has me deeply paranoid with an ichy trigger!
And not really daring to take the final plunge

 

[Vasconcelos]

I'd really would like to write a developed essay on the subject of suspicious ppl, sadly I'm on a 2 weeks working peak and I have just the time to be up to date withe post, do diagonal reading of long posts, and cast my vote

 

[kirennia]

I thought I said why I'd been so quiet in the early part of the game?

As for me constantly attacking English as someone mentioned, I've based these votes from what I've seen in that 5 day period I just bought up; before then, I was one of the people trying to continue a no lynch policy in the hope that a cop would show up after 2 or 3 days and say, 'woot, x,y and z are innocent' which would pretty much win us the game straight away.

I'm not the one who gave the final vote to kill rubric nor have I started any bandwagons, I've simply stated who I think is guilty and left you all to make up your own minds. The problem now is that with the potential of this being the last day, I don't want it to be unsaid that I wanted to vote for English and why. I'm not gonna turn around with the whole 'you'll be sorry!' routine, nor am I attacking someone just because they attacked me (bit defensive?), I've just been following through what I have suspected from the end of the second day (or was it the beginning of the third? Cba to trawl back through it again)...

 

[old.Tohtori]

Quite the end of days feeling with all of this.

Everyone sticking to their guns and pointing them whatever which way.

I can't repeat the things i've said about suspicions and theories, as i think it's all been said, and i doubt this town will become a "united front" at this time.

But one thing is that you've all forgotten, no lynch.

This way, we would in any case have tomorrow to think about things and there might be a night-save.

So, do we go by either camp and roll the dice?
-With mafia hang we get an extra day, and MIGHT lose one person more by night.
-With townie hang, we NEED a night-save. Fact.

With no lynch, we MIGHT get a night-save, but ALSO we would get another day.

Now since i'm the only one even thinking about this, even if it's tooting my own horn, i hope it clears my name from you who doubt my innocence.

 

[old.Tohtori]

But about English, he was gonna almost hang me right after for "inactivity" when i was away for 12 hours.

Just seems other people are looking for a quick hang, and others actually think about it.

Not to mention calling me stupid for voting for him, petty insults don't bold well.

 

[- English -]

Quite the end of days feeling with all of this.

Everyone sticking to their guns and pointing them whatever which way.

I can't repeat the things i've said about suspicions and theories, as i think it's all been said, and i doubt this town will become a "united front" at this time.

But one thing is that you've all forgotten, no lynch.

This way, we would in any case have tomorrow to think about things and there might be a night-save.

So, do we go by either camp and roll the dice?
-With mafia hang we get an extra day, and MIGHT lose one person more by night.
-With townie hang, we NEED a night-save. Fact.

With no lynch, we MIGHT get a night-save, but ALSO we would get another day.

Now since i'm the only one even thinking about this, even if it's tooting my own horn, i hope it clears my name from you who doubt my innocence.

well surely not hanging me will increase our chances of winning.

but i guess thats easy for me to say