News Obese man discovers perpetual energy :p

[Zede]

fat cnuts at Flordia theme parks get their own lil powered mobility vehicle thingy AND get to right to the front. fat cnuts.

 

[ford prefect]

BBC News - Obesity surgery court battle lost by Tom Condliff

Apparently hes on a 500 calorie diet and supposedly not losing weight which means based on his weight and energy needs he has either:

A. discovered a way to generate free energy within his bloated frame

B. Not sticking to his diet...

Hmm...

I do like the coverage too - he blames drugs he has to take for his type 2 diabetes for his weight rather than lack of self control - but the best way to get type 2 diabetes is to be obese...

I would feel more sympathy if the guy honestly said he needed the surgery because he was crap at dieting and ate too much.

The chap has type 2 diabetes, so may well be constantly hypo and on high dosages of Sulfonylurea, which induces weight gain due to insulin resistance, even on a 500 calorie diet. Let's take the piss out of him shall we? Nice.

 

[Raven]

Ok, so if its not down to eating too many cakes, how is stapling his stomach going to help?

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

The chap has type 2 diabetes, so may well be constantly hypo and on high dosages of Sulfonylurea, which induces weight gain due to insulin resistance, even on a 500 calorie diet. Let's take the piss out of him shall we? Nice.

Don't be retarded, it is entirely his fault and he wants a easy (but retarded) way out. Sulfonylurea may contribute to the problem, but a strict diet, with exercise and proper Sulfonylurea supplementation will make you loose kg.

With out getting too much in Science, there's no excuse for anyone with diabetes (either type) or thyroid probs to not be able to control their weight. And Type 2 is usually self induced by being a fatty and sugar pig anyway.

Especially with people Type 1, I'm gonna drink beer, eat a fuck load of junk food - sugars and fats galore, and then jack on Insulin. Oh I'm fat, it's the diabetes! please ....

 

[ford prefect]

Ok, so if its not down to eating too many cakes, how is stapling his stomach going to help?

By further reducing the stomach size you limit the amount of tatty acid and simple sugars that the body can extract from food.

I could be entirely wrong and the guy could sit there eating 24/7. My pint is you simply don't know, but you automatically make assumptions based on a poorly written article and no knowledge of the guys condition.

 

[ford prefect]

Don't be retarded, it is entirely his fault and he wants a easy (but retarded) way out. Sulfonylurea may contribute to the problem, but a strict diet, with exercise and proper Sulfonylurea supplementation will make you loose kg.

With out getting too much in Science, there's no excuse for anyone with diabetes (either type) or thyroid probs to not be able to control their weight. And Type 2 is usually self induced by being a fatty and sugar pig anyway.

Especially with people Type 1, I'm gonna drink beer, eat a fuck load of junk food - sugars and fats galore, and then jack on Insulin. Oh I'm fat, it's the diabetes! please ....

Nonsense. The hormonal and metabolic anomalies that can occur with sulfonylureas treatments are well documented.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

By further reducing the stomach size you limit the amount of tatty acid and simple sugars that the body can extract from food.

I could be entirely wrong and the guy could sit there eating 24/7. My pint is you simply don't know, but you automatically make assumptions based on a poorly written article and no knowledge of the guys condition.

Because Fat people are just addicts in denial and should be treated like that. He's gonna eat that snack when your not looking and lie about and say the diet isn't working. It's much worse these days with all the fast food and ice creams and lack of nutrition knowledge.

Yes I know about fattys, I've helped enough loose weight. I was one for most of my kid years, got to like 11 and had enough and lost a fuck load of weight. Now I fluctuate between 2 stone really all year round and when I start training again, I will have to loose 2 stone in 6-8 weeks. Which is easily done if your motivated and I'm a pig with a shit metabolism.

BMI is also a pretty good starting point for average person, the people that say their like 6.2 and 130kg are in denial. I've also been tall (6.4) and broad (its in my genes) all my life so i'm above average and I would be fat at 105kg, if I wasn't lifting and training seriously (then BMI and KG is useless with in reason).

Ronnie Coleman is 130kg at the Olympia comps and he's like 2% body fat .... so strong denial in this thread .

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

Nonsense. The hormonal and metabolic anomalies that can occur with sulfonylureas treatments are well documented.

Have you ever studied the biological and anabolic effects of Insulin and anti diabetes related drugs? I have, so do you want to turn this into a scientific thread?

It's an excuse, yea, Insulin and certain ADM's increase weight gain and can make you fat. Only if you don't have a proper diet and proper drugs knowledge, or in this case, a lazy fat bastard. If you are educated and use the drugs smart while following an appropriate diet there is no reason why you can't control your weight.

Same goes for a under and over active thyroid.

 

[ford prefect]

Firstly, addiction is a disease, I am not going to debate the fact, that is simply the case. I know the litany of responses that statement will receive already and have neither the tome or inclination to have the debate yet again .

 

[Talivar]

For me the problem is way society views Fatty foods as the problem and not sugar/starch. If from a young age we cut down on the sugars/starchs instead of cutting out the high fat foods IMO we wouldnt have anywhere near the ammount of obesity.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

For me the problem is way society views Fatty foods as the problem and not sugar/starch. If from a young age we cut down on the sugars/starchs instead of cutting out the high fat foods IMO we wouldnt have anywhere near the ammount of obesity.

It's happening everywhere now, we can only nanny the food so much. People need to be educated that's all, mostly parents.

An interesting part of it too is it's now happening in Asia, people are getting fatter then ever and it looks awful with their genetics. It's mostly down to western food and not educating people, people have been eating natural spiced and flavored rice / noodles and beef/chicken all their life. Now they have all these fizzy drinks, KFCs, McDs, Swensens, steak and chips, mayo etc. It's really having a huge impact and esp on the new generation with the money to buy it.

You can't blame them for loving it, because it's different and junk food is addictive / tastes great But no one is being educated on how bad it is for you at all and it will get scary bad.

Size 12 is like the average size for a girl in the UK? And 14 for America? My GF is size 4 and is not too thin at all (I'm not into skin and bones petite girls).

 

[ford prefect]

Secondly, yes I am fully aware of the science and fully aware of the hormonal impact Sulfonylurea can have, especially in older patients. I actually agree with the descision not to proceed with this type of surgery in so one of that age, as it is very invasive and the benefits would be marginal at best. As I am sure you are aware, the carb requirement in someone over fifty is much lower and combined with Sulfonylurea, excessive weight gain in that age group is not uncommon.

As for type 2 diabetes being self inflicted, yes poor diet is the main cause, but not the only cause. Many medications increase the risk over time and there are genetic factors too.

Personally, I don't care if the chap eats five thousand calories a day, it is his choice. My point is simple, nobody knows the details of this chaps medical background (and i would suggest if he is after surgery as an escape, he unwell anyway) and yet you and others feel it is not only necessary to put the guy down, but that it is somehow ok or even entertaining. I find that quite sad in all honesty.

 

[Vladamir]

For me the problem is way society views Fatty foods as the problem and not sugar/starch. If from a young age we cut down on the sugars/starchs instead of cutting out the high fat foods IMO we wouldnt have anywhere near the ammount of obesity.

This is what all the new research says; that sugars, processed carbs and damaged/hydrogenated fats are the real enemy for obesity and heart disease.

Unfortunately the use of fat as a dietary swear word will be around for many years to come.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

Secondly, yes I am fully aware of the science and fully aware of the hormonal impact Sulfonylurea can have, especially in older patients. I actually agree with the descision not to proceed with this type of surgery in so one of that age, as it is very invasive and the benefits would be marginal at best. As I am sure you are aware, the carb requirement in someone over fifty is much lower and combined with Sulfonylurea, excessive weight gain in that age group is not uncommon.

As for type 2 diabetes being self inflicted, yes poor diet is the main cause, but not the only cause. Many medications increase the risk over time and there are genetic factors too.

Personally, I don't care if the chap eats five thousand calories a day, it is his choice. My point is simple, nobody knows the details of this chaps medical background (and i would suggest if he is after surgery as an escape, he unwell anyway) and yet you and others feel it is not only necessary to put the guy down, but that it is somehow ok or even entertaining. I find that quite sad in all honesty.

The thread is about his 500kcal diet though, not type 2 diabetes. And in my knowledge there is no medical condition that makes someone obese or even fat, imagine the excuses you would hear. Yes diabetes and Thyroid problems can you make you gain fat faster, but nothing makes you fat.

It's simple Physics, no need for biochem, there is no way he's on a 500kcal a day diet. He just wouldn't maintain that weight, not even biochem could explain why he's still fat after being on 500kcals a day

He's like my dad, he's getting a belly and bitch tits like that but he also trains a lot so hes pretty big. And he claims his diet is fine etc, it must be his old age and laundry list of excuses. Then you watch him for like 5mins and hes eating a bar of chocolate with some deep fried sausages. If you were to tell him his diet is shit and he eats junk food like a pig, it's like talking to a drug addict in denial.

 

[Talivar]

Yep Vlad, to much money also in the low fat diet industry to remove it from its throne, Aswell as the fact if we all shifted over to high protien/fat diets we would have to eat our cats and dogs before long as food supplys ran short lol.

 

[Talivar]

If he tried to live on 500kcal a day that doesnt mean he would auto lose weight tho, His metabolism would slow to a crawl and his body would go into starvation mode causing any food he does eat to be taken and stored as fat. For most people anyway, there is always exceptions.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

If he tried to live on 500kcal a day that doesnt mean he would auto lose weight tho, His metabolism would slow to a crawl and his body would go into starvation mode causing any food he does eat to be taken and stored as fat. For most people anyway, there is always exceptions.

metabolism starvation mode is very over rated, it's not very true. He would auto loose weight but he would also be very unhealthy and he would loose a lot of muscle as well.

It's not optimal loss but yes he wouldn't maintain his weight, the body stores fat for that very reason, lower kcals consumed then required.

 

[ford prefect]

The thread is about his 500kcal diet though, not type 2 diabetes. And in my knowledge there is no medical condition that makes someone obese or even fat, imagine the excuses you would hear. Yes diabetes and Thyroid problems can you make you gain fat faster, but nothing makes you fat.

You mean besides Insulin sensitivity?

Cushiness Syndrome
Acromegaly
Any number of endocrine or hypothalamic disorders
Prader willi disorder
Stein Leventhal Syndrome (women only)

And those are just off the top of my head. around 6% of obese people have a known gene variant which causes fat cell production which on turn causes poor energy regulation - in short, some people are simply genetically over weight.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

You mean besides Insulin sensitivity?

Cushiness Syndrome
Acromegaly
Any number of endocrine or hypothalamic disorders
Prader willi disorder
Stein Leventhal Syndrome (women only)

And those are just off the top of my head. around 6% of obese people have a known gene variant which causes fat cell production which on turn causes poor energy regulation - in short, some people are smply genetically over weight.

CS - can be cured by stopping Glucocorticoids (common cause) or removing the tumor (rare) . And it doesn't necessarily make you obese and certainly not overnight.

Acromegaly - Doesn't make you fat, quite the opposite, you should know. GH is quite thermogenic. It has no direct involvement in fat and can actually burn it.

Cba to explain the rest, you get the point. But he doesn't have any of the above, he has type 2 diabetes, which is what the thread is about.

Quite the fatty defender you are lets keep the sci out of the banter thread and get back on topic ^^

 

[Reno]

I'm tempted to say that his 500 kcal diet only includes the solids, he has obviously left out the fluid intake.

 

[ford prefect]

CS - can be cured by stopping Glucocorticoids (common cause) or removing the tumor (rare) . And it doesn't necessarily make you obese and certainly not overnight.

I am not sure where overnight came from. Yes I know CS can usually be treated, but not always. Cortisol can also cause weight gain.

Acromegaly - Doesn't make you fat, quite the opposite, you should know. GH is quite thermogenic. It has no direct involvement in fat and can actually burn it.

In nearly a third of cases, Acromegaly directly affects thyroid levels, granted more commonly in women.

Cba to explain the rest, you get the point. But he doesn't have any of the above, he has type 2 diabetes, which is what the thread is about.

No I don't get the point. Actually the opening of this thread was about judging the motives of a man that none of us know anything about. I have made my point about type 2 diabetes having multiple causes including as a result of having to take certain medications over long periods, you code to ignore the point.[/quote]

Quite the fatty defender you are lets keep the sci out of the banter thread and get back on topic ^^

A big and clever statement. I just don't believe in putting people down and belittling people for their faults.

Is it possible to eat 500kcal per day and maintain that kind of weight? Yes, actually under the right conditions it is, absolutely.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

I am not sure where overnight came from. Yes I know CS can usually be treated, but not always. Cortisol can also cause weight gain.


In nearly a third of cases, Acromegaly directly affects thyroid levels, granted more commonly in women.



No I don't get the point. Actually the opening of this thread was about judging the motives of a man that none of us know anything about. I have made my point about type 2 diabetes having multiple causes including as a result of having to take certain medications over long periods, you code to ignore the point.



A big and clever statement. I just don't believe in putting people down and belittling people for their faults.

Is it possible to eat 500kcal per day and maintain that kind of weight? Yes, actually under the right conditions it is, absolutely.

You haven't proved me wrong at all, "can cause" and "been known to" is your opinion.

No one is putting him down about being fat (apart from me), he's moaning and asking for the NHS to pay for a Gast Band op. That's everyone's tax £, why should he get it free because hes fat and lazy? Type 2 diabetes or any kind of insulin sensitivity condition (apart from some rare cases imo) should get Gast band on the NHS.

Being diabetic and having to inject insulin can be used to your advantage, it's very anabolic on the same level as some steroids in terms of muscle tissue gain. Maybe you should tell these guys that diabetes make fat, Any Type 2 Diabetic Bodybuilders?

 

[ford prefect]

I'm not interested in proving anything. I agreed he shouldn't have the surgery for logical reasons. It is the attitude that people seem to be displaying that they are somehow entitled to cast judgement over someone simply asking for help, whether that be surgical or psychological. This is a human being we discussing. The name calling and the assumptions about obese people in general are unnecessary, as is the tone of this thread. It amazes me how people seem to love pointing out other people's flaws, almost as if it makes them feel better about their own.

 

[Fafnir]

For me the problem is way society views Fatty foods as the problem and not sugar/starch. If from a young age we cut down on the sugars/starchs instead of cutting out the high fat foods IMO we wouldnt have anywhere near the ammount of obesity.

And fatty food keeps you full way longer. And if you eat right sorts of veggies your cholesterol down, onions are a good way, aswell hibiscus tea.

But gotto love the fat hate in this thread. Pretty much the same hate ive live with all my life, born overweight, grew up over weight, doctors tried to find all possible excuses, like my parents forcefeeding me, me having diabetes, me forcefeeding myself etc etc etc etc, no matter what we tried no one ever thought to check my thyroid until they had a reform with the doctors and you could yourself choose any doctor, first thing i did when this happened was to go to a thyroid specialist who took tests and voila. A year later and 60kg lighter, no change in diet. Nowdays 180cm tall 120kg im quite satisfied, only "medical" disorder i got is my thyroid problem, since my dizzy spells ive suffered since childhood went away when i got the meds, while the "old" doctors said it was all a psycological problem. If i had lived in the US i would have been rich for all the malpractise suits i would have filed. Here two doctors where just warned.

But its hard to stay away from thoose potatoes...

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

And fatty food keeps you full way longer. And if you eat right sorts of veggies your cholesterol down, onions are a good way, aswell hibiscus tea.

But gotto love the fat hate in this thread. Pretty much the same hate ive live with all my life, born overweight, grew up over weight, doctors tried to find all possible excuses, like my parents forcefeeding me, me having diabetes, me forcefeeding myself etc etc etc etc, no matter what we tried no one ever thought to check my thyroid until they had a reform with the doctors and you could yourself choose any doctor, first thing i did when this happened was to go to a thyroid specialist who took tests and voila. A year later and 60kg lighter, no change in diet. Nowdays 180cm tall 120kg im quite satisfied, only "medical" disorder i got is my thyroid problem, since my dizzy spells ive suffered since childhood went away when i got the meds, while the "old" doctors said it was all a psycological problem. If i had lived in the US i would have been rich for all the malpractise suits i would have filed. Here two doctors where just warned.

But its hard to stay away from thoose potatoes...

You had your thyroid nuked because of a problem or just a under active thyroid? I take it you supplement with cytomel (t3) daily?

 

[Fafnir]

You had your thyroid nuked because of a problem or just a under active thyroid? I take it you supplement with cytomel (t3) daily?

Nope, using Levaxin. Just underactive.

 

[GimmlyThe3rd]

Nope, using Levaxin. Just underactive.

Yes it's the same, Levothyroxine sodium (T3).

It's disgrace how shit Dr's are these days, simple routine blood work would have found out that you had an under active thyroid. I only go if I have to see a specialist like a dermatologist / Ortheo, have not bothered with GPs in years and wouldn't.

 

[bainteor]

Cushiness Syndrome

Cushing's Syndrome* .

 

[ford prefect]

Cushing's Syndrome* .

ForumRunner + Predictive text.

 

[Raven]

Though it is rather cushy sitting around eating cake all day.