Not helping realmmates is getting to silly imo

[xxManiacxx]

If I see a 1on1 fight or 2on2 fight etc etc I just leave them alone. As I have said before. If you don´t want to fight solo get a group.

 

[Fyric]

The thing is, normally when someone adds on one of my fights i get rather... well angry.

Therefore where i would normally politely tell the adder afterwards to please don't do that again, it usually ends up being rather harsh.

I suggested in an earlier post that we simply split up where people that would respect both their realmmates and enemies go somewhere, and the ones that feel strongly about protecting the realm should go somewhere else, basically this would mean that in the area where adding is "allowed" you could go if you want lots of realm points fast, and you can go where adding is "dissallowed" when you want to test your skills or want to go looking for an e-peen extension .

merely a thought

please take the allowed/disallowed for what i mean, not how it sounds

 

[Elrandhir]

If I see a 1on1 fight or 2on2 fight etc etc I just leave them alone. As I have said before. If you don´t want to fight solo get a group.

Whats the big difference between getting a group and p00wn lower numbers then going solo and leech (if you want to call it that) Many do this, and more or less everyone has probably done it at some point.

Tbh there is no difference really, only that you have a bigger chance of dying doing if solo =P

 

[xxManiacxx]

Whats the big difference between getting a group and p00wn lower numbers then going solo and leech (if you want to call it that) Many do this, and more or less everyone has probably done it at some point.

Tbh there is no difference really, only that you have a bigger chance of dying doing it solo =P

If u don´t want to fight someone in a 1on1 (or calling for help) then why don´t group up instead? I am sure a person that RvR "for the realm" would be happy to invite any class. No matter if it´s a necro/sum sm/mentalist etc etc.

 

[Elrandhir]

If u don´t want to fight someone in a 1on1 (or calling for help) then why don´t group up instead? I am sure a person that RvR "for the realm" would be happy to invite any class.

Sure why not, I dident say you shouldent, but whats the difference, no worse going solo together with a zerg or to leech then going as a group and p00wn smaller groups and also soloers as many do.

If you go solo you'r just an easier target making it much easier to kill you.

So if to talk about fairness even though none of the ways is so, the solo leech/add way would be fairer then as you will go down fast.

I know I aint always fair and Il never say otherwise, I go out in smaller groups and p00wn more or less anything but 1 vs 1 fights, it dosent happen that often, but still I do so.

 

[Malcolm]

make this macro and spam it if youre in trouble:

/macro ADD /yell HELP ME M8S!!! IM IN TROUBLE

Problem solved

Easier said than done when you have 3 full qbars

 

[Elrandhir]

Easier said than done when you have 3 full qbars

Well sure it's cool to be able to get those 1 vs 1 etc, but if never ever anything unexpected would happen, daaamn this game would get boring then tbh, risking to be killed by larger numbers or whatever gives some excitement tbh even though it can be frustrating at times.

 

[xxManiacxx]

Sure why not, I dident say you shouldent, but whats the difference, no worse going solo together with a zerg or to leech then going as a group and p00wn smaller groups and also soloers as many do.

If you go solo you'r just an easier target making it much easier to kill you.

So if to talk about fairness even though none of the ways is so, the solo leech/add way would be fairer then as you will go down fast.

I know I aint always fair and Il never say otherwise, I go out in smaller groups and p00wn more or less anything but 1 vs 1 fights, it dosent happen that often, but still I do so.

I am talking about why certain ppl don´t add when u are having a 1on1. As the whine was about from the beginning.

 

[Elrandhir]

I am talking about why certain ppl don´t add when u are having a 1on1. As the whine was about from the beginning.

Well reading you'r former post I think you where alittle off the subject 2, I just answered to that.

Was nothing about not adding in that post.

 

[ebenezer]

The thing is, normally when someone adds on one of my fights i get rather... well angry.

Therefore where i would normally politely tell the adder afterwards to please don't do that again, it usually ends up being rather harsh.

I suggested in an earlier post that we simply split up where people that would respect both their realmmates and enemies go somewhere, and the ones that feel strongly about protecting the realm should go somewhere else, basically this would mean that in the area where adding is "allowed" you could go if you want lots of realm points fast, and you can go where adding is "dissallowed" when you want to test your skills or want to go looking for an e-peen extension .

merely a thought

please take the allowed/disallowed for what i mean, not how it sounds

First of all why is that do you think, that you feel anger towards people in a game and over a thing which is after all not against any rules , at least not that they have payed or subscribed for? I think its rather important to ask oneself that. I cant think of a good reason to be angry at someone for playing a game in a way they are alowed to do. I could understand if someone kept breaking a game rule over and over and used a bug to win over you or so. Also as you say urself there are easy solution for all this nonsence by just go somewhere else and go there with likeminded( like the solo zone which is now up again..) and there make whatever rules in between that circle and then get angry at them if they break them. I would find that anger a bit more rightly directed then to someone that is in a zone playing the game after said rules and breaking nothing then ur unwritten rules.

We will now see if the solo zone can be kept working. Cause if its not, with all the so called soloers out ther claiming they want clean fights and so on, its very strange. We have the numbers to make such a thing work almost daily...but for some reason it didnt last time. People wanted to sneak closer to the more crowded areas and whoops suddenly the zone was dead and the usual add whine started again around crau bridge primtime#

People have to realise thay cant have everything served for them. if you wanna make something like unwritten rules in a game which includes other peoples wishes and playstyle, Whats easiest? To demand and try to bully every other single player into follow just ur own rules you created? or to actually try and find likeminded and just do ur own thing in a place were you dont clash heads everytime with people that want a different kind of gaming..
over and out..

 

[Elrandhir]

Well said Eben, and shouldent be a problem if there is so many wanting fair fights!

 

[Chronictank]

Well said Eben, and shouldent be a problem if there is so many wanting fair fights!

actually the problem was people who didnt want fair fights coming and steamrolling all the ones that did.
Thats why the solo zone died, every night someone would see the deathspam and come running in/would be tipped off as to where the solo zone would be.
But as said above in between all the drivvel everyone pays their subs, everyone can play how they like.
As for getting angy, he likes to play how he likes, he pays his subs and he is entitled to be a little pissed off when someone comes along and ruins his duel.
The same as if you are doing a artifact and someone runs past and starts the enc before you, i just find it amusing the majority of people who bash real soloers think thats a bad thing.
After all its not against the coc, but still breaks a "unwritten" rule that people try empose on others who pay their subs, who play how they like

 

[Elrandhir]

actually the problem was people who didnt want fair fights coming and steamrolling all the ones that did.

I was already suspecting someone to say this tbh, yeah and sure you will get less adding at other places ofcourse >.<.

If people go to a place and try to have it for solo, they will ofcourse get less adding, those going there or most will want to have 1 vs 1, and those adding will probably stay about where they have been before.

Maby there will be people going there to ruin things, but I doubht it will be worse then at places where everyone does whatever.

Was almost funny as I though, wouldent surprice me if someone is going to say that people came and ruined it for us here /rofl

You can't expect never to get killed by some wanting to ruin things, but atleast it will be better if you have a place like that.

 

[Chronictank]

I was already suspecting someone to say this tbh, yeah and sure you will get less adding at other places ofcourse >.<.

If people go to a place and try to have it for solo, they will ofcourse get less adding, those going there or most will want to have 1 vs 1, and those adding will probably stay about where they have been before.

Maby there will be people going there to ruin things, but I doubht it will be worse then at places where everyone does whatever.

Was almost funny as I though, wouldent surprice me if someone is going to say that people came and ruined it for us here /rofl

hardly, the people that would usually prefer fights that werent 1 on 1 realised that there was now noone to kill. Bled was pretty much deserted of stealthers and only had the usual casters against a farming grp when the solo zone was being used even tho there was no insta port
So no, there wasnt less adding there was less being rolled over by fg's which didnt affect intelligent stealthers anyway. It was the same in other aspects as it just meant for 1-2 hrs there were clean fights before people realised where the zone was

 

[ebenezer]

actually the problem was people who didnt want fair fights coming and steamrolling all the ones that did.
Thats why the solo zone died, every night someone would see the deathspam and come running in/would be tipped off as to where the solo zone would be.
But as said above in between all the drivvel everyone pays their subs, everyone can play how they like.
As for getting angy, he likes to play how he likes, he pays his subs and he is entitled to be a little pissed off when someone comes along and ruins his duel.
The same as if you are doing a artifact and someone runs past and starts the enc before you, i just find it amusing the majority of people who bash real soloers think thats a bad thing.
After all its not against the coc, but still breaks a "unwritten" rule that people try empose on others who pay their subs, who play how they like

Funnely enough in this same thread( or was it?) i wrote a thing about the phenomenon regarding how peoples moralitys sways on different subjects.
When someone writes : Horner killed me at exp spot....or: Someone rushed in and stole the encounter before me. Almost everyone answers: Well tough luck ur in a rvr zone...or ohh you got owned in rvr zone...or in the artie encounter case: Well..its nothing in the coc against stealing and artie encounter before anyone else, you cant camp.....etc etc.
My point is that both these things are very anoying indeed( exp dyin in frontier, and being robbed of an encounter), but the majority of the people seem to have accepted that you shouldnt whine about it, but on the other hand the same people whines over being added upon in the same zone Shouldnt that be expected as well then?? or even more so since you are actively seeking out crowded areas were people rvr? At least the exper in frontier seek out a place were he doesnt want to be found lol..
Anyhow,,just a thought
over and out..

 

[ebenezer]

actually the problem was people who didnt want fair fights coming and steamrolling all the ones that did.
Thats why the solo zone died, every night someone would see the deathspam and come running in/would be tipped off as to where the solo zone would be.
But as said above in between all the drivvel everyone pays their subs, everyone can play how they like.
As for getting angy, he likes to play how he likes, he pays his subs and he is entitled to be a little pissed off when someone comes along and ruins his duel.
The same as if you are doing a artifact and someone runs past and starts the enc before you, i just find it amusing the majority of people who bash real soloers think thats a bad thing.
After all its not against the coc, but still breaks a "unwritten" rule that people try empose on others who pay their subs, who play how they like

also im not sure at all thats why the zone went down...i was there from beginning to its end. and we didnt have that many incidents tbh. The problem was that people got bored cause same people showed up all the time...and over half of the registred people wasnt showing up at all, they went crau bridge or some other crowded area and still expected their clean fights there or they played another alt and didnt solo...i dunno, but they didnt show up in zone.

 

[>.< Pooned]

well i consider it like this always help realmm8s but if they loosing from a fair fight then why to add on his fight ofc there is some names that i will add no matter what cause they are !@#$#!@$$!%!!!!1 etc but still this game is still an epic war go cry somewhere else

ofc gamers do the game and thats why u get so crap playtime u cant help it i believe

 

[Elrandhir]

Well can't say I care much, even though I like getting a duel now and again I like more or less every aspect of the game, and even getting zerged, added on makes it more interessting, knowing you have to always be prepaired to get away fast or kill those comming.

8 vs 8 and 1 vs 1 is nice, but as I said earlier the game would be Boring as h*ll if nothing unexpected ever happend (Guess adds etc aint to unexpected now, but you know what I mean).

 

[Chronictank]

Funnely enough in this same thread( or was it?) i wrote a thing about the phenomenon regarding how peoples moralitys sways on different subjects.
When someone writes : Horner killed me at exp spot....or: Someone rushed in and stole the encounter before me. Almost everyone answers: Well tough luck ur in a rvr zone...or ohh you got owned in rvr zone...or in the artie encounter case: Well..its nothing in the coc against stealing and artie encounter before anyone else, you cant camp.....etc etc.

Completely irrelevant, simply more drivvel

First of all why is that do you think, that you feel anger towards people in a game and over a thing which is after all not against any rules , at least not that they have payed or subscribed for? I think its rather important to ask oneself that.

this is what we are arguing about to clarify things
You said people dont get angry when being "griefed" (not in the goa sence of the word)

My point is that both these things are very anoying indeed

So now you contridict yourself, first people dont get annoyed because the other person is within the coc and now they do?
You proved yourself wrong i dont think i need to add anything

Rest of your post is more crap that is irrelevant so i wont quote it,
but i will add the "solo zones", were where the mainstream action wasnt.
So one could suffice that those going to those zones to "add" are going there with the purpose of knowingly ruining people there's "fun", of the way they prefer to play the game be it for rps or just because they like annoying others.

Anyway im off home have fun

 

[Elrandhir]

also im not sure at all thats why the zone went down...i was there from beginning to its end. and we didnt have that many incidents tbh. The problem was that people got bored cause same people showed up all the time...and over half of the registred people wasnt showing up at all, they went crau bridge or some other crowded area and still expected their clean fights there or they played another alt and didnt solo...i dunno, but they didnt show up in zone.

It dosent surprice me atall tbh!

 

[ebenezer]

Lol..sorry i dont know which point i pushed but il refrain from discuss with you at all if you reply with missunderstanding half i meant , twisting half..and calling the rest of what i say drivel and crap? Nice way to discuss
Anyways, since i do have patience and a few minutes before i go do something more usefull, il answer you with the stuff you had me wrong.

For me anoyed and getting angry isnt the same thing. So im not contardicting myself, not at any point. It might have been unclear to you for some reason but thats not the case anyhow. I never feel anger towards anyone in game. I can get a lil anoyed for being killed by exping yes But there is a lsight differece my friend of swearing alil in fron of ur own screen my friend to actually write a pm to someone and angrily tell him he is a fuckface or a retard, do you follow me there?
thats about it i think...and please next time read through everything i said instead of just hauling ur anger and frustration into a discussion. otherwise we might as well hurl insults ok?
over an dout..

 

[Kharok Svark]

Most of the time I help ... in fact, any time I am in doubt I help.

I would rather I got it wrong, an enemy died, the realm mate got slightly fewer RP's and asked me not to assist in future, than watch a realm mate die, see the enemy laugh and run off, then get a PM for not helping.

Sooo, if I am in doubt, I help ... if I have been PM'd before by a person nicely asking me not to help them in the future, then I wont help them in the future. If they are rude, I will /ignore and do as I see fit.

I play my game my way, I help when I think it would be helpful, and drive back the enemy, the enemy gets fewer RP's and as a result, my own realm remains stronger.

What makes me laugh is when people fight around a bridge, often 3 v 2 and somehow expects other people on the bridge to know they don't want help / leave them alone.

 

[Marcus75]

that makes no sence at all,
you should make a effort to add by default?
that way noone will ever "not add" because by they time someone notices another stealther for example popping its too late

Thats like saying shoot someone first then ask if they were the enemy

Regardless of what everyone say its a mmorpg and people that wish to have solo fights in such a game should be the ones that have to make an effort to get it, not the other way around. If a mid and a alb start to fight and another mid come running and then the first mid yells "DONT ADD" or whatever along those lines...I can almost promise that he will be left alone more often that if he dosnt do that. ONE easy macro and a /qbind.

 

[griralith]

Well even tho ive played since start ive always been mediocre to decent at best in rvr but almost always enjoyed it, but nowdays things are getting really silly as ppl are so affraid to help/join a soloer like me when fighting and will rather see me die then help out

Just now a guy ask me "Help?" and have no chance to answer before im dead..again

Ive not playe daoc much lately but logged in last night for a run in Emain and it was decent fun with a caster, today i playe both with my hunter and my sb and i see probubly 10 fights in high traffic areas where ppl just stand in a grp watching other ppl fight, almost takeing turns fighting.

And vorst part is that ever time i help (or add as many like to call it) i just wait to get a rude remark of ppl getting angry.

Cant really see why ppl get mad when u help them kill an realm enemy but love when u heal em after when they running away trying to escape....isent it all about "manageing by your self" ?

Well i know ppl play diffrent ways depending on what they think is fun, but atm the "NO add" rule has surely taken hold of ppl and i really really hope its the majority that DO want it like that, because IF its just a loud few ppl that intimidate others then its really sad IMO!

Yes i am upset and yes maybe it is me that is in minority....maybe time to quit once and far all.

Do what u want and give a damn about the whingeing girls... ull find that most will yell at you no matter what you do...

 

[Elrandhir]

Regardless of what everyone say its a mmorpg and people that wish to have solo fights in such a game should be the ones that have to make an effort to get it, not the other way around. If a mid and a alb start to fight and another mid come running and then the first mid yells "DONT ADD" or whatever along those lines...I can almost promise that he will be left alone more often that if he dosnt do that. ONE easy macro and a /qbind.

I agree and do think they will be able to have their fight alone mostly if doing so.

 

[Vodkafairy]

the more you grief your enemies the more you will bump into your own realmmates, thought the entire idea of rvr was to have fights with the 'enemy'. the quality of the fight matters, making them log is just silly

 

[griralith]

....this whole add discussion is turning pathetic... maybe the duel "oracles" need to find a place to fight? Instead of continuesly trying to drag rest of server into it....

 

[Daedalus]

Would be nice if Mythic implemented some kind of visual flag for I-don't-want-to-be-helped people.

 

[Elrandhir]

Would be nice if Mythic implemented some kind of visual flag for I-don't-want-to-be-helped people.

Could be a Flag with 2 big Q's on maby.

 

[griralith]

Could be a Flag with 2 big Q's on maby.

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