No cc in mid ? Theres a reason

[Melachi-]

I just got the game a few months ago, and recently enough decided to make a healer cause there was a lack of them i was told. Leveling to 20 was easy but then come the 30's and everyone turns ignorant. I remeber being told expected to be invited to groups but no, on sooo many occasions i would go up to a group or pm the group asking if they needed a healer, and they would say.. no soz m8 we just want a shammy cause of end regen. These are the peeps who in a month or so time will be running around emain complaining of lack of cc, while ill be soloing green cons . Malmo seems to be the only place where a healer is as needed as a shammy, and theres never any problem except for being on a long list, and because of being in school usualy means only on weekends i can get into a malmo group.

In RvR, well i havent had much experience only being rr2L4, but all the PvE ways just disappear, who ever heard of peeling in rvr? I know you cant get an alb to change target by hitting him with a taunt, but you might be able to kill him before he kills me ?

What im saying is basically, mids dont give a damn about healers, they just moan that there arent enough, but in pve they want end regen, and in rvr they forget he exists.

So mids stop complaining

 

[Jebelious]

cause shamy's rule as healers and as support

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Jebelious
cause shamy's rule as healers and as support

Well i have a lvl 32 healer now, and i must say her heals are almost as good as my lvl 45 shaman, at lower power cost. And without pox lvl'n with a shaman will be slower. We need both classes in RvR, healers for healing and CC, shamans for healing and buffing.

 

[eynar]

Shammies are excellent as back-up healers, but they won't keep an entire group alive during critical battles. Not to mention the fact that they'd run out of power in no time.

 

[Gallak]

Unfortunately for healers tho, after they throw in the CC at the beginning of the fight, they become the first target

 

[Kerram Darktyde]

Normal PvE or RvR for us is a healer and a shammy
Best of both worlds..

 

[The Real Redi]

Originally posted by Gallak
Unfortunately for healers tho, after they throw in the CC at the beginning of the fight, they become the first target

yup, specially to those of us who arent yet 50 or guarding a caster - dwarves are top of my hitlist, if they are stood back and looking motherly

 

[Old Nicodemus]

Another aspect of CC is also overlooked.

Dark Specced SM's.

They have area effect mezzes and point blank area ones too.

The only problem is that most people are playing Supp specced SM's for the one trick pony Uber leet PB nuke. Single cast mezz in the Supp line is a good spell.. but it will take a lot of time to mezz a crowd of frothing RP rabid Albs.

Like all games that have a sort of league table of who's great and who isn't (and by deafult DAoC has turned into this) people want to be the best. If the only way to get uber amounts of RP or have the bragging rights over their enemies is to choose a char that will out damage your opponent, then that's what people will go for.

The really skilled and classy players will play chars that are not widely used and spec them in totally different ways than the Uber cookie cutter specs that people produce.

It is human nature to want to be the best. From birth this dogma is instilled into us by the expectations of our parents to perform to standards higher than what their parents set for them. Breaking this habit is hard as throughout modern culture, to get to the top and have your 15 minutes of fame is paramount over everything else.

Then you get to a situation and your support isn't there.

That's when the second dogma strikes.

The ability to whine.

Play your char.. and sod the rest. When they finally wake up and realise that they have been owned for the 100th time by a blue con Luri spamming a PB nuke they might actually get off their own arses and roll a support char.

<picks up soap box>

Sorry for the rant folks. Shit week at work.

 

[ImLestat]

Originally posted by Old Nicodemus
Another aspect of CC is also overlooked.

Dark Specced SM's.

So true. Those times someone asks me what my spec is and they learn that I'm dark and they sigh or just go "bah" I have to grit my teeth. Somehow people nowadays think that pbae is the only way to go for a SM. When I'm not solo I spend a high percentage of time in groups without healers, and have saved their asses countless times with my mez (when they don't ruin it with their own ae of course). Don't rack down on the SM's that spec dark, you want cc don't you?

 

[Azal]

A well played dark spec SM is uber. We were running around for. sausage for hours one night with spiritmastah (think that's his name) as our main CC as we had no healer..honestly seeing the mezzes he was throwing out you wouldn't have known we never had a healer with us...doubling up as a nuker too

 

[old.Trine Aquavit]

Originally posted by The Real Redi
yup, specially to those of us who arent yet 50 or guarding a caster - dwarves are top of my hitlist, if they are stood back and looking motherly

This explains my death rate.

Better get a big two-hander and an 'angry' face.

Grrrrr!

Oh dang, broke a nail.

 

[Fafnir]

And thats why i swapped my small shield for a medium.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

If someone is creating a properly balanced group it should have both healer and shaman, 1 of each, end of story. They heal in different ways too, shammies being the regen specialists and healers giving you that nicely timed megaheal that stops you dying in the middle of a fight.

Regarding Dark SMs, you really aren't ever going to see more appearing. 1.58-1.60 is a crushing blow to mez classes and reading the near-future notes there ain't no lovin' coming for Dark SMs that I've seen apart from a minor tweak to the lifetap (which I'm not sure is confirmed). I think Mythic regard SMs now as 'fixed' since we can become pbae spammers and everyone Oohs and Aahhhs at it. I'm sick of the number of PM's I get asking if I'm respeccing to or have respecced to suppression. Not my playstyle and not what I signed on for with this class over a year ago.

Dark Master

First and last and always.

 

[Wend]

Originally posted by Old Nicodemus
The really skilled and classy players will play chars that are not widely used and spec them in totally different ways than the Uber cookie cutter specs that people produce.

Generalizing is also human nature I suppose.

<shrugs>

Anyway, yes playing a healer sometimes feels like skating uphill. Literally everyone will tell you healers are needed and Midgard is short of them, yet getting a group is a frustrating experience.

Not to mention the abuse you occasionally receive. However playing a healer can also be very rewarding, especially Out There in the frontiers.

 

[Ardrias_Mid]

Well, seems 90% of Midgard has buffbots, so, no real need for healers until ~40. And it's fucking sad.

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by Ardrias_Mid
Well, seems 90% of Midgard has buffbots, so, no real need for healers until ~40. And it's fucking sad.

Well when i was lvl'n up my zerk and later my hunter i ran into different grey con healers, who where pulling green-bluecon mobs. So i asked if they wanted to join. And got the answer from both nope, xp will be to bad. Wondering how xp can be bad when i'm able to chain kill orange-red con mobs without downtime. :/

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

They probably knew you were only after their horses

 

[pudzy]

Healer > Shaman

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Originally posted by pudzy
Healer > Shaman

Ao long as you only mean for CC purposes I'll agree

 

[AzuratMinimus]

Healers are better then shaman on healing, and they can give power regen. Means they are a lot better if your a caster.

 

[pudzy]

Originally posted by Roo Stercogburn
Ao long as you only mean for CC purposes I'll agree

CC, healing and mana regen..................

Or you want shaman... AE DoT AE Root and End regen

/em beats Roo with a tea towl, kicks him in the face, runs him over, throws him off a large building, jumps on him, shoots him in the leg and gives him a cookie!

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

It would be interesting to see what a shammy effectively heals if you combine a heal and a high level friggs and add up the two. I'd imagine its still lower than a single heal from a healer but it would be interesting to see how close it gets.

I'm guessing a lot of peeps just look at the value from a shammy heal and forget there's often a Friggs of some sort regenerating away under it which should really be taken into consideration.

 

[old.Trine Aquavit]

Friggs isn't a battle heal. You'll get two and sometimes three ticks from it in combat, nothing more. And that will sometimes be wasted. Healers are better healers in PvE for several reasons:

1. Generally higher mend spec. Better spec heals and low variance on unspecced heals.
2. Better in-battle mend spec line, especially for instas and spread
3. Power regen. This reduces down-time more effectively that end regen does.
4. Stun. A relatively cheap spell that does a better job of healing than pretty much anything bar pbt.
5. Celerity & haste buffs. A high aug healer will help most groups kill stuff just as fast as a high aug shammy.

 

[scartooth]

Originally posted by Melachi[Mid]
I just got the game a few months ago, and recently enough decided to make a healer cause there was a lack of them i was told. Leveling to 20 was easy but then come the 30's and everyone turns ignorant. I remeber being told expected to be invited to groups but no, on sooo many occasions i would go up to a group or pm the group asking if they needed a healer, and they would say.. no soz m8 we just want a shammy cause of end regen. These are the peeps who in a month or so time will be running around emain complaining of lack of cc, while ill be soloing green cons . Malmo seems to be the only place where a healer is as needed as a shammy, and theres never any problem except for being on a long list, and because of being in school usualy means only on weekends i can get into a malmo group.

In RvR, well i havent had much experience only being rr2L4, but all the PvE ways just disappear, who ever heard of peeling in rvr? I know you cant get an alb to change target by hitting him with a taunt, but you might be able to kill him before he kills me ?

What im saying is basically, mids dont give a damn about healers, they just moan that there arent enough, but in pve they want end regen, and in rvr they forget he exists.

So mids stop complaining

Dam I aint the only one then?

I hit 35 with my healer weeks ago and since then Ive found it impossible to get a group.Seriously . I /pm people in DF i see running thru the area but get told "we got shammy buffbotetc"

No idea when I wil get higher than 35 now because i really have had enough soloing in DF and elsewhere for now. I did yellow and orange fiends from 24 - 33 and im not full aug but now its nearly impossible to do that.

If people only want shammys then fine, keep yer end regen while i keep my Heals,Mezz,AE Mezz, Speed,Group Haste,Stun,AE Stun ,Usually Better Rez ,Buffs ,Power Regen to myself :/

Your call.


(and because it may be hard to get a group with and SB doesnt make it right that its hard to get a group with any class etc )

 

[blain]

I have to admit that I rarely have problems finding a group.

Must be my immensely charismatic personality.

 

[scartooth]

Probably the size of that Pool Cue that does it 0_o

 

[old.Demeter]

heh once upon a time we wandered Emain in a grp with 2 Mend healers and one balanced

man we were invincible battles lasted and lasted
since then my favorite setup is
39 mend 38 aug + something like 30mend/44pac or 32mend/38pac or even 39mend/36pac + shammie for buffs and AOE disease/root...

PS shammie shouldnt heal btw