Nightshades on Prydwen

[Silent Shadow]

This thread has no real Subject, it's a bit general stuff about the 3 assasin classes, I want to know what you think. Ok here goes. Almost daily I hear atleast one say "damn infiltrators nerf them blablabla" (in midgard). But I've never heard anything about Nightshades, why?

I know there isn't loads of them but still, there's Trad with almost 1 million rp's, Lairiodd and Maedhros (sorry if I spellt the name wrong) with alot of rp's aswell. I'm going to be honest, I rarely see any Nightshades in RvR (ok they're stealthed I know). As for infis they are over me the second I leave the pk. Why are there so many more highlvl Infiltrators and Shadowblades than Nightshades? I've heard by friends that Nightshades are not welcome in most xp-groups.

I can't say the life of a Shadowblade is easy aswell (especially not when there's 200 other SB's in the realm), but it's groupable. As far as I can count there's 10-11 maybe 12 lvl 50 Nightshades in Hibernia, while there's atleast 20-30 (if not more) lvl 50 Infiltrators. And then we have the upcomming nerf. Where assasin classes can't get IP and caps evade at some %.

The IP thing is good I think, it's silly that assasins can kill any class as it is today. But the evade-cap, doesn't this hurt the Nightshade the most? I mean a Nightshade Lurikeen is made for evading almost anything (correct me if I'm wrong). While the Infiltrator only needs 1 (one) Evade to use Dragonfang (wich gives a 9s stun). 9 seconds is enough to take ANY class down.

I'm not going to whine about this but it's a bit unfair that Infiltrators gets "less" nerfed than Shadowblades and Lurikeens. Well that's all, I was just bored so thought I'd make this thread to see what the general opinion is

 

[old.Krusha]

about the xping.. its the same in Albion

and i regulary see NS (well mostly Trad.. most recently yesterday .. him and... umm (damn my bad memory) an elf NS)

and the nerf.. well the patch isnt over yet, but according to a post on safehouse by sanya, there wont be anymore nerfs that she knows of (and since when did that carry any credibility)

and 9 sec stun.. well what if (IF) the target has purge up and ready? bye bye infi... yes its powerful, but compare it to the rest of the thrust styles.. its the only one and you get it at lvl 50 thrust (yes i know 2.5 specpts and all that) but still... as it is now the infi is on top.. but there will always be someone on top im afraid... look at any other class and the same will apply there .

This game works on paper but in reality theres alot of flaws thats very apparent to all but Mythic it seems.. and the ones that cries to much get their will through (look at anyboard on VNwhine, all classes are underpowered.. even zerks asking for more dmg output now that the warriors got higher basedmg ) .. or is it just me that se eit that way

 

[Silent Shadow]

Well I'm not whining about that we (SB's) need more good styles and that. I just meant what exactly is the advantage of a NS with this patch? none that I can see....

I mean, Highest PA cap: SB because of 2-h and being able to be a Norseman.
Best in melee: Infi because of Dragonfang.
See what I mean?

what's the advantage of being a NS?

 

[[Cerebus]]

We get to have a character with purple eyes.

.....nuff said.

 

[old.Krusha]

Originally posted by Silent Shadow

what's the advantage of being a NS?

you can be a small Luri with funny run style?

But seriously i understand what you mean.. thats how i felt about my warrior since i started to realise what the other tanks could do ... hopefully this patch will weed out the FotM players

 

[Silent Shadow]

Purple eyes is good

 

[liste]

one major thing everybody keeps forgetting.

This game is not meant to have 3 realms with identical classes in them.
Hibernia Mages are far superior to any other mages. Okay, their assassin lags a bit behind, but not much.

see where im getting at?

 

[old.Krusha]

Originally posted by liste

see where im getting at?

/em looks at his first post

/nod

 

[old.mattshanes]

I find nightshades tougher than sbs,trad puts up a good fight compared to them but there have been sbs just as good(ones i find solo that is which is not often usually give a good battle)

 

[Glyph_mid]

NIghtshades do pretty well if speccing piece, as they get a lvl 25 style which chains after evade which is stun, although LA gets frosty gaze, which chains after comeback which chains after evade.
Ive fought my NSs with Trad being the far superior, actually i dont stand much chance against him, Maedros (spelling) is pretty good as well. Then theres the NSs which you take down before they really hit you because they are either slow or dont know how to play.
It might be true that SBs get the advange of using 2h, buts its not all SBs who PA with the 2h, so they are on equal foot as any NS or infil, with infils having more spec points.
Afaik piece is also 0.2 faster than the fastest mid weapon, which makes those NSs hit so fast

What im trying to say is, its really up to the player playing the NS, and with the minority playing hib, that leaves even less NSs around

 

[nemesisgm]

Nightshades

If it were not for the spec points of the infiltrator the nightshade would undoubtably be the king of the assassins. It's sheer speed and abilities make it utterly lethal. It's shout line though not totally up to par is still advantageous for uncovering stealthed foes when they would prefer not to. As well as some of the sickest realm abilities available of all the assassins, Absorb pain reduces the dmg they take for the period of its course. Viper the Realm Ability doubling all dot dmg you do for 30 seconds.. ever been hit by a viper ready lifebane using nightshade I have and its not funny. The more crit strike matrial specced nightshade is a very formindable foe one on one. They suffer from being low on the hp front sadly. though if specced properly with the right RA's they can and will butcher just about anything.

Durgi.

LvL50 Shadowblade.. Prydwen.
LvL50 Infiltrator......... Merlin.

 

[old.mattshanes]

Well trad got my hp down fairly quickly,yes i would agree they would be king of assasin classes if infs didnt get more spec points but with the RAs i think they are.Trad is the toughest assasin i have fought and i have fought a fair amount,he is real dam fast and his dot is deadly.

 

[Psy|:m00:]

Ns can also have the RA Wild Arcana which adds a chance to Crit on Poisons too Makes them nastier envenomers than the other assassins

 

[old.Kram]

I've only encountered one nightshade in all the time I've been playing DAoC, rest of the time I'm only meeting loads of little smurfs trying to poison me

 

[old.Sko]

Aye, no pun intended, but certain kobolds are way below certain luris in terms of one-on-one combat, not involving critical strike chain in my humble opinion.
PS. Mehdros - i`ll get you some day

 

[kr0n]

if inf had 2.2 specs instead of 2.5 (like other assassins) most would just spec DW lower. Since every smart kid who makes a inf, template is something around 50thrust 34-39CS 35-37stealth 35-37envenom and rest in DW. So basically, if they removed specs from inf, they would hit less with 2 weapons. Tho DR3 (Dualists Reflexes; Adds 5% per level to the chance of hitting with 2 weapons with CD/DW or 5% offhand damage with LAxe or summat) = 30 in spec DW.

 

[Azal]

Duelist is 3% per lvl not 5% per lvl, and the reason you prolly see less NS around is cus they have to treck from ligen not just port in at mpk/apk like mids/albs do. Cred's to trad for running his lil luri ass that far so often (and luri's run..lol )

 

[leviathane]

in my experiences with NS's i feel tht theyre way to weak as they seem to work in teams just to kill 1 caster....bit pointless when it only takes 1 ubershade to kill meh.

 

[Generic Poster]

With soo many buffbots around, SBs hit very fast aswell.

NS's seem underpowered because there aren't many of them. Compare the amount of SBs and infils, and out of those, how many are actually good in battle?

Only a few stand out, and they promote the class for others. If there were an equal number of Nightshades, alot of those would be lethal and everyone would be crying for Luri-nerfs.

 

[pudzy]

Nightshade has resistance to its armour so no they arent effected most by evade.

I'm still stumbling over why infils have more points? completely confuses me - its like giving a thane more points than a worrier so he can have slam and higher SC.

 

[klavrynd]

most nighshades are zergers (except for trad which seems to solo quite some) so no wonder nobody whines

 

[0pin]

Around lvl 45 I allmost deleted my Nightshade, only thing that keept me going was that i heard Nightshades would become alot better at lvl 50.
And i must say that with recent patch and armour changes + respec so i could respec to blades im very happy with my shade.
Unbuffed i have taken down every shadowblade i meet 1on1 and most with over half life left, i havent meet Azal, blodied and those people yet so wont comment further untill i fought them

Allso killed a Friar who used IP on me the ohter day, so i would say that after last patch nightshades are very viable, and december the 20th i will be back home playing fulltime again to show you guys that

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by liste
one major thing everybody keeps forgetting.

This game is not meant to have 3 realms with identical classes in them.
Hibernia Mages are far superior to any other mages. Okay, their assassin lags a bit behind, but not much.

see where im getting at?

You just wait untill they remove IP from assasins, and Nightshades are the only that can buy Avoidance of Pain...

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by Glyph_mid
It might be true that SBs get the advange of using 2h, buts its not all SBs who PA with the 2h, so they are on equal foot as any NS or infil, with infils having more spec points.
Afaik piece is also 0.2 faster than the fastest mid weapon, which makes those NSs hit so fast

Actually the 2h axes are a diversion.. the SB's true strength is in the way Leftaxes work

my 16.2 dps, 4.2 spd axe swinging styles at around 2.5 spd, with a 15.0 dps, 2.4 spd axe as damage add

 

[klavrynd]

diversion my ass. shadowblades got doublefrost nerfed.

 

[Derric]

Originally posted by Glyph_mid
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What im trying to say is, its really up to the player playing the NS, and with the minority playing hib, that leaves even less NSs around [/B]

That kinda goes for all classes really

 

[Generic Poster]

Originally posted by pudzy
I'm still stumbling over why infils have more points? completely confuses me

Infils have the extra spec points

SBs can use 2h weapons, they have the mean LA styles and slightly higher hitpoints.

NSs have those second-rate nukes, and crit on poisons.... and they have Lurikeen

 

[old.Patrick-S]

fear lurikeens with there ewul walk! way better than 2h weps or dragonfang and 2.5 spec points as for large groups of nightshades needed to take one caster ? wtf? lol but yea if i was grouped with some other ns i' wouldnt wait while they killed them id get stuck in too.. because its faster and you never know when there are others hiding also nightshades only being in zergs? erm no more so than infiltrators and shadowbles imo <shrugs> anyhow don't care how my character works as long as it does
btw its M A E D H R O S everyone gets spelling wrong i should'v'e chosen a smaller name

 

[stu]

Originally posted by Generic Poster
Infils have the extra spec points

SBs can use 2h weapons...

There was a trend going around a couple of months ago for infils to PA with a staff (causing a boatload of damage)... does that still happen? afaik the only reason an SB would use a 2h weapon is to get a bigger PA.

 

[liste]

done some extensive research on just-below-greencons and green cons, with staff-PA.

The damage cap was higher, ofc. however, the damage variance was so poo, that i'd rather stab with a dagger. it has a better average damage output.

the staff PA, is fun though