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old.Mitsu
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Nightshades get a chance to crit on debuffs too with WA 
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old.Hellskor
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If you find a Crit-Blade (the SBs using 2handed Weaps) please post a picture ... don't think there's one left.
Assassin fights are all about weaponspeed and stun-styles in the end.
The faster they attack and the easier they can pull of a stun style, the more fights they'll win.
Pierce Nightshades with high slash resists are a simple Pain in the Ass for Shadowblades (thank god they don't have that many HPs).
Had some Nightshade some days ago to which I did less damage with an unstyled hit than to an Armsmen in Epic <ack>
Assassin fights are all about weaponspeed and stun-styles in the end.
The faster they attack and the easier they can pull of a stun style, the more fights they'll win.
Pierce Nightshades with high slash resists are a simple Pain in the Ass for Shadowblades (thank god they don't have that many HPs).
Had some Nightshade some days ago to which I did less damage with an unstyled hit than to an Armsmen in Epic <ack>
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well the reason i stopped playing with Loq was that the NS was just blatently crap vs other assassins...
i was getting sent out to "deal" with enemy stealthers, but 95% of the time i just got creamed...
1) because we cant be an average starting class (celt - straight 60 stats) we lose out...
- 20 less str
- 20 less con
- almost "forced" to go pierce due to lower str...
+20 dex
+20 qui
(but with evade being capped and blades doing FAR higher relative damage - id rather have a choice of blades and higher con)
2) our unique realm abilities...
- viper 14 points to use something every 30 mins that will just get purged for 8 points every 15 mins...
- resist pain... doesnt work properly, nowhere near a good enough reduction to even considder it...
- Wild arcana needs you to spend additional rps on "augmented accuity 2" which does absolutely nothing at all...
vs
- vanish for 10 points on the infs... the abilty to PA twice in a fight... lets see someone purge that...
3) class defining features...
NS + DD and shout...
INF + 2.5 spec points, superior styles
SB + LA or 2H, higher HP
- the DD castable does slightly less damage than the infs crossbow... and the infs crossbow damage increases with dex...
- the DD has a MASSIVE "I AM HERE MARKER" in the form of a spell effect...
? i dont know much about the SBs throwing knives... sorry...
the NS DD is mearly a method to pull from range... equivilent and in some cases lesser to the other realms pulling technique...
- the DD shout does about 40-50 points of damage every 20 seconds...
- an infs bonus spec points allow them to do FAR more additional damage over 20 seconds than 40 points... upwards of 300-400 more ( assuming it was a pierce specced NS with 2.5 , must remember the starting race imbalance, and the style damage disparity )
- the DD shout can in no way be compared for balance with the abilty to guarentee 2 poison applications in the first hit ( LA ) or the MASSIVE damage of 2H weilding of a SB... add that to the extra HPs and you have a horrible combination of factors...
for a final point... the NS epic armour...
most poeple know about imbue values etc, so i will tie it to that...
the nightshade epic armour has, in total 100 less imbue points than any of the other assassins epic armours... we are only second worst to wardens...
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Dont get me wrong, the NS does have other advantages... size, Wild Arcana (minus the prereq), fast hitting weapons, diamondback (usually, unless balde spec)... er... thats it i think...
Trad, lair, maedhros... they get a lot of RPs because they spend a HUGE ammount of time in RVR and they are very good playing solo...
in total though... NS cant compete on paper or otherwise vs an INF or SB once we go to 1.56...............
i was getting sent out to "deal" with enemy stealthers, but 95% of the time i just got creamed...
1) because we cant be an average starting class (celt - straight 60 stats) we lose out...
- 20 less str
- 20 less con
- almost "forced" to go pierce due to lower str...
+20 dex
+20 qui
(but with evade being capped and blades doing FAR higher relative damage - id rather have a choice of blades and higher con)
2) our unique realm abilities...
- viper 14 points to use something every 30 mins that will just get purged for 8 points every 15 mins...
- resist pain... doesnt work properly, nowhere near a good enough reduction to even considder it...
- Wild arcana needs you to spend additional rps on "augmented accuity 2" which does absolutely nothing at all...
vs
- vanish for 10 points on the infs... the abilty to PA twice in a fight... lets see someone purge that...
3) class defining features...
NS + DD and shout...
INF + 2.5 spec points, superior styles
SB + LA or 2H, higher HP
- the DD castable does slightly less damage than the infs crossbow... and the infs crossbow damage increases with dex...
- the DD has a MASSIVE "I AM HERE MARKER" in the form of a spell effect...
? i dont know much about the SBs throwing knives... sorry...
the NS DD is mearly a method to pull from range... equivilent and in some cases lesser to the other realms pulling technique...
- the DD shout does about 40-50 points of damage every 20 seconds...
- an infs bonus spec points allow them to do FAR more additional damage over 20 seconds than 40 points... upwards of 300-400 more ( assuming it was a pierce specced NS with 2.5 , must remember the starting race imbalance, and the style damage disparity )
- the DD shout can in no way be compared for balance with the abilty to guarentee 2 poison applications in the first hit ( LA ) or the MASSIVE damage of 2H weilding of a SB... add that to the extra HPs and you have a horrible combination of factors...
for a final point... the NS epic armour...
most poeple know about imbue values etc, so i will tie it to that...
the nightshade epic armour has, in total 100 less imbue points than any of the other assassins epic armours... we are only second worst to wardens...
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Dont get me wrong, the NS does have other advantages... size, Wild Arcana (minus the prereq), fast hitting weapons, diamondback (usually, unless balde spec)... er... thats it i think...
Trad, lair, maedhros... they get a lot of RPs because they spend a HUGE ammount of time in RVR and they are very good playing solo...
in total though... NS cant compete on paper or otherwise vs an INF or SB once we go to 1.56...............
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old.willowywicca
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just to point out, purge is also on a 30 minute timer, and if your viper DoT gets purged, why not just use a 2nd weapon with a DoT on it? afaik viper lasts for 30 seconds, so will certainly still be active allowing for a 2nd double damage DoT
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Blood
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I dont think you are taking the new armor resistances into account, sb vs ns a very tough fight.
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leviathane
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lol aye saw a NS vs an Sb the NS was slightly winning til our group killed em both...might of been because it was trad but still..
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old.Patrick-S
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well its quite easy to cap slash resist with legion tunic (10%) then ns epic cloak is 6% theres a otd that gives 4% think some other epic armour has 10% not to sure.. but know im 4% above resist cap atm meaning its not that hard to take out the majority of sbs solo... and i don't care about paper people can say nightshades are crap etc but its not worth the hastle imo... play the character if its fun don't if it's not
meaning its not that hard to take out the majority of sbs solo... and i don't care about paper people can say nightshades are crap etc but its not worth the hastle imo... play the character if its fun don't if it's not
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Population
Reading this made me decide to have a look at the population via Duskwave (see table below), i think it answers the original query as such, it's just a population thing.
However it does explain why I have a euphoric feeling of victory when i make it solo through the amg
Prydwen Stealther Population vs Level
Class - 40+ - 45+ - 50
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Infiltrator - 92 - 65 - 39
Shadowblade - 137 - 99 - 83
Nightshade - 50 - 35 - 17
PS Apols if the table format is shite!
Reading this made me decide to have a look at the population via Duskwave (see table below), i think it answers the original query as such, it's just a population thing.
However it does explain why I have a euphoric feeling of victory when i make it solo through the amg
Prydwen Stealther Population vs Level
Class - 40+ - 45+ - 50
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Infiltrator - 92 - 65 - 39
Shadowblade - 137 - 99 - 83
Nightshade - 50 - 35 - 17
PS Apols if the table format is shite!
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old.Cyric
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Re: Population
eww
eww
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stu
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Your groupmates should be sending you forward to *find* the enemy stealthers, at which point they unload on them
I have to agree though, I seem to very rarely get taken down by a NS (even if they jump me with PA), whereas Infils cut me to pieces. Nerf Dragonfang.
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old.Krusha
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I'd Give up the extra speccpoints and DW for LA anyday in the week
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I stopped calculating the uber/underness of my chars when the no. 999 enemy baf-ed
Forget all calculating when theres another char coming into play .. dont forget its a team game... yes i know ass-asins are soloers... anyway
Forget all calculating when theres another char coming into play .. dont forget its a team game... yes i know ass-asins are soloers... anyway
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Caeli
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/em points to signature
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Jonaldo
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Can't have been Trad cos he would've killed your group first then just go back to the SB he was dealing with before
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LOL Cornell, that was funny really =)
Plankton - lvl 50 warrior
Morka - lvl 41 skald
Plankton - lvl 50 warrior
Morka - lvl 41 skald
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old.Patrick-S
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wouldn't put it passed him tho 
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Originally posted by old.Patrick-S
wouldn't put it passed him tho
Heey Maedhros (correct spelling
) you're still alive How are you?Kippie/Pookie [deleted]
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Disguise
Im still waiting for the infil/ns/sb disguise, as in the name..
"Infiltrator"
That would be sweet, lurikeen disguising as a bigass troll hehe
Btw Remove ip fro all classes, why have a healer in the party when u can have one in ye pocket?
Im still waiting for the infil/ns/sb disguise, as in the name..
"Infiltrator"
That would be sweet, lurikeen disguising as a bigass troll hehe
Btw Remove ip fro all classes, why have a healer in the party when u can have one in ye pocket?
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old.Patrick-S
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nooooooooooo! so u still playing other chars like on your profile vodkafairy? or you quit all together?Originally posted by VodkaFairy
Heey Maedhros (correct spelling
Kippie/Pookie [deleted]
and yep last i checked i was still alive can't make any promises tho edit: typo
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Yeah NS is cool =p
Watch out for Maedhros though, he has this thing for sitting runies at the MGs =P
Watch out for Maedhros though, he has this thing for sitting runies at the MGs =P
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Ns seems cool, even made one