new Trend ! make an alliance of your own !

[Jupitus]

Professor Ottar (tm) is absolutely right in a great many respects... if only those 'running' the previous alliance had heard the voices several months ago, eh?

Never mind, eh? Us Albs have demonstrated on a number of occasions that you can cooperate well across alliances to good effect... of course that does depend upon there not being huge gaping rifts between said alliances before you start

 

[Rigon-Noir-]

YAY My barrysworld account is working, thanks Bigfoot (Apologies to whoever had the account name Tidus for locking you out, i am a dumbass)

Ok, i've been reading all this and gagging to reply, not much left to be said tho but i would like to add my opinion to it all.

At the end of the day, even if it is bad for the realm if you leave an alliance, no one should have to put up with anything they don't want to when they pay their subscriptions like everyone else. I was disgusted when i read the things that were said to Cenestra, disgusted but not suprised, i've been on the recieving end myself sometimes and that isn't what i expect from a game like DAOC.

I don't really see what all the fuss is about tho, in RVR we all work together and i've not, or seen anyone refused a group becuase they aren't in the same alliance as me. If some people are doing that tho, it is a bit sad. I sympathise with Louise, tbh i looked for an excuse to get our guild out of the alliance we were in because we increasingly felt like we were the poor relation to everyone else. It had also got to the point where most of us had turned it off so wasnt much use to us then anyway.
I have no problems with what people are trying to acheive with alliances, infact full credit to them for taking the initiative, but i spend a great deal of my time, as i'm sure a lot of people do, in realm and some of the things that were filling my screen from our previous alliance was either just nasty or not even worth reading. The Fedaykin alliance is what suits us because as well as getting accross the serious points, there is also some light hearted conversations which break up the evening sometimes and put a smile on my face. I'm not saying the Fedaykin alliance is where everyone should be, just that it suits us becuase we have a lot of friends in it (Korvarn, Larossa, Roo, Nico and loads more people i can have conversations with), and people should be in an alliance where they have friends as well.
When it comes to RVR tho, i'd be suprised if on 90% of occasions, i'd grouped with anymore than maybe 2 or 3 from the Fedaykin alliance so what difference does it make which alliance your in, it does however make a difference if the alliance your in makes you unhappy when your playing.


Sorry for the long post (not really)

PS: Anytime Zhaa, more than happy to help mate and thanks for the compliment, most appreciated

PPS: On the "If your not level 50 your a noob bit", i was talking to someone a few weeks ago and the conversation went like this, i have cut it down a bit but this was the bones of it.

xxx sends "no mate, if your not level 50 you are a noob"
you send "what, i've been playing this game religiously since feb mate, just not levelled that fast"
xxx sends "anyway, where you off"
you send "crauchin"
xxx sends "wheres that"

hehe, nugget, you know who you are


Tidus Morgahna Lvl 50 Thane (about bleedin time)
GM of the White Rose

Hanistra Morgahna Huntress (way too much orange in that outfit luv)
Tahra Entula Shaman (So what does this spell do then jeweil?)
Blauw Meisje Shadow Blade (going nowhere, quite literally, im on the ringroad (Alan Partridge))

 

[SilverHood]

> Inter-alliance comms are a necessity,

No, they are not. Inter-alliance comms are primarily a pain, something in addition to all other things that must happen to get things done, provided you need the force of several alliances.

Inter-alliance comms becomes a necessity only when/if something is undertaken which requires forces of multiple alliances. Such things were bad enough to organize before, now things got worse.

Roo, I think I understand where ya come from. “Small” alliance, big boys didn’t invite you in on their stuff. Why? Easy answer is we were arrogant bastards. Closer to truth, organizing inter-alliance was probably considered impractical as to set it up would have required more time and effort than the added force would be worth in action. Only occurance of cross alliance teaming I can remember was Durgi’s last raid where Feds were supposed to take the keeps.

So we're not worth the effort
I'd say 3-6 Fg's for a relic raid would easily be worth the effort.... a simple /send to one of the bigger guilds in the alliance, Fedaykin, White Rose, Clan Chaos, Call of Heimdal, United warlords or the Blackbyrds (no offense to the other guilds, but those are the ones that spring to mind)

Last raid where the us Feds took keeps.... we had 3 fg's when we started taking keeps.... we could probably have gotten more if we had known about the raid a bit earlier....

We're all in the same boat here, relics doesn't just benefit the alliance that takes them, but everyone.... but since everyone wasn't involved, it's no big surprise that they've failed a lot recently...

Now that there IS a lot of alliances, we will have to communicate.... delegating responsibility to each alliance will not only make it easier, but also a hell of a lot more efficient..... person in charge simply says "alliance 1 takes bled, alliance 2 taked notmoor, alliance 3 takes glenlocke, alliance 4 holds amg. Once done regroup at hlidskialf for retaking arvark"

Don't see how this is a bad thing

 

[Blood]

Re: refhfs

Originally posted by glibbah
why dont you just tell SoN that htey should remove Svartalf from /as rights, instead of airing your shitty oppinions here ?

I for one have several times, he was specifically brought up on the last alliance meeting i attended.. his guild leaders reply was that he would talk with him (0 improvement was noticed afterwards)

 

[Blood]

Originally posted by SilverHood

Now that there IS a lot of alliances, we will have to communicate.... delegating responsibility to each alliance will not only make it easier, but also a hell of a lot more efficient..... person in charge simply says "alliance 1 takes bled, alliance 2 taked notmoor, alliance 3 takes glenlocke, alliance 4 holds amg. Once done regroup at hlidskialf for retaking arvark"

Don't see how this is a bad thing

As long as its still the same people in the realm taking initiative, what makes you think that these new alliances will "take orders" from these old leaders?

If 1 positive thing was to evolve from this it would be the rise of new leaders with energy and new tactics ideas.


Another thing, i went to the duskwave website yesterday to take a look at the situation with the new alliances, and take a closer look at the guilds behind them. What i noticed is that outside the top 8 guilds, there are only a handful of "real active" RvR players in each guild (lets face it if you have less than 50k or even 100k RP, you havent been running around the frontiers alot (and if you have.. auch)) (NO I DONT SAY j00 TEH s00k!!, im trying to see how many active RvR players we have in the realm)

So what we are left with is 8 guilds, doing 80% or more of the RvR in Midgard.. not to have those in the same alliance is beoynd stupid....
EoO, Warders, Bulle, Kalevala, HH, SU, SC, TU

And i want to make damn sure to say.. i think what the Feydakin Alliance is doing with collecting the smaller guilds and building a strong force of 20 guilds, doing events and keeptakes together is AWESOME... You guys have really build a huge powerbase that can massivly help in large scale RvR (Required that you are willing to do some of the less attractive jobs, taking keeps, guarding keeps etc.) (and if your members decide to level up.. you have the potential to rock the server)

To Louise: afaik The Nemesis Alliance was always meant to be a RvR alliance.. you have 2 active members with over 10k RP.. i honestly dont think it was the right alliance for BoD.

 

[dJyng]

Originally posted by old.Blood|Prydwen


So what we are left with is 8 guilds, doing 80% or more of the RvR in Midgard.. not to have those in the same alliance is beoynd stupid....
EoO, Warders, Bulle, Kalevala, HH, SU, SC, TU

Maby these guild will be in the same alliance one day maby not..
Blood I hope you don't whant these guilds in the same alliance today, it would be a huge mistake. Learn from what happened with old alliance and dont do same mistake again. Let us grow together in sense.

Try something creative and new.. you might be suprised...

 

[Ottar]

> If 1 positive thing was to evolve from this it would be the rise of new leaders

One may hope but evidence suggests that if new leaders are to be found, this will not be a consequence of dividing the existing alliance. There has been 1 argument I have never quite understood: that Azal and Durgi were somehow ”in way” of others to try and lead relic raids. Not really.

As the numbers are now and if current EoO and NE alliances fail to merge, I too see Feds as our main long-term hope, eventually. But again, that is not a consequence of disbanding the old Nemesis alliance.

Ottar

 

[old.sauna]

If you never understood it Ottar you yourself never tried to take initiative or lead something. I have and I know that many others as well, that have been "pushed down in their n00b-shoes"-immediately when trying anything.

Scenario:
Leader-trying-to-take-initiative: TeamX move there buy rams, then meet up at spotY and we will go for keepA and later keepB.
Leader-often-taking-initiative: Nono, lets take TeamY to keepC first THEN do what you said.
Leader-trying-to-take-initiative: But I know this will work, just trust me and let's try it.
Leader-often-taking-initiative: Heh, well I know it won't work, this is how we do it...

Similar situations have happened several dozen times, lengthy discussions with (hours and hours where you methodically explain why you wanted to lead and what you had in mind) the people usually in charge always results in nothing (that being the part where two people talk and one guys information goes from ear to ear without anything in between caring enough to absorb it). If anyone in mid hasn't been in these situations, I dunno what raids you've been on, I even stopped playing a while because there was no way in hell you would be let to disturb the guys that thought no one else but themselves had enough brainpower to think up anything of any use. Then going around saying "well nothing in hell would be done if we didn't do it", geez, if you say people haven't tried and been verbally bitchslapped for doing so you're plain ignorant.

 

[old.Hellskor]

Can only second Sauna's post. Some people just have to force themselfs into the leading roll. And whom would you follow ?
The guy that started the raid, but whom you never heard of before ?
Or the guy that seems to lead 80% (or whatever) of all RvR time ?
Either you give up to lead, or you get splitted forces, since some will keep following you (the ones that paid attention) and the rest will follow the I-have-to-lead-guy.

But I'm getting the feeling a lot of people missed the point/intention of my original post.

It does not matter under which leadership/Guild we are united ... as long as we are united (to some degree).

I don't care if Nemesis is the leading guild.
I don't care if Eye of Odin is the leading guild.
I don't care if New Era is the leading guild.
...

What I care about is an effective Realm Communication, and splitting up like we are atm isn't the right way.

 

[old.sauna]

To me having fun is more important than to have perfect realmcommunication, too few people nowadays that really just play and have a good time. Being with the former alliance and some guilds in it we perhaps had a wider communication but also more idiots, spammers and arrogant bastards. I don't want to turn off /as nor play with people that fuck my day up, it's as simple as that. Been trying for so long now to fix it in every way possible but we all know it can't be done since the same people cause the same grief over and over and nothing that is said to them makes any difference.

I'd rather play without alliance than being in one that has antisocial and freakishly selfcentered people in it, but hey, I found a lot of others to have fun with and regret nothing.

 

[Ottar]

> If you never understood it Ottar you yourself never tried to take
> initiative or lead something.

In fact I try to escape any position of leadership and iniative by any means possible as I am lazy and no good at leading. However, whenever I have tried to lead anything and quite aside of my own rather poor capabilities of doing so, some “established leader” taking over has never been a problem.

What has been a problem on many occasions, is the “leader wannabes” getting bored and coming up with “bright ideas” twice per minute, confusing everyone, spamming communications and distracting people from their jobs.

Now, if a new leader wants to lead a raid, he better start a raid. On such a raid, the person who started it is the undisputed leader I will follow and never ever try to take over. It may take time to get used to a new guys being at the helm but it is mostly a problem of too few capable followers rather than too many incapable leaders.

> To me having fun is more important than to have perfect realmcommunication

The name of the game post 50 is RvR. Generally, only people who can have fun in RvR without decent communications are solo capable stealthers. Therefore, we either have to fix the communications vaccuum we are currently experiencing or all reroll as shadowblades.

Ottar

 

[old.sauna]

Well, I've started raids and seen others do that as well and get pushed aside when the aledged "mastermind" comes into the cg, without asking even who is in charge there is orders being issued to the left and right and sometimes even the usual leader takes the opportunity to make it into their own raid with totally different plans.

This doesn't happen anymore since I choose to never be in an alliance with people that can't respect others work and their efforts.

>The name of the game post 50 is RvR. Generally, only people who can have fun in RvR without decent communications are solo capable stealthers. Therefore, we either have to fix the communications vaccuum we are currently experiencing or all reroll as shadowblades.

I have fun in RvR without being in a major alliance and not being a stealther (I will never become a stealther since I like teamplay in games and see no difficulty nor skill in being invisible to the enemy all the time) and I know many with me have fun as well. We wouldn't be having this much fun if we stayed and spent another few months listening to the occasional "I HATE MIDS" and other whinephrases. I'm sorry to hear if you have a vaccuum in your communications now tho and hope you'll be able to fix it.

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

Originally posted by Ottar


What has been a problem on many occasions, is the “leader wannabes” getting bored and coming up with “bright ideas” twice per minute, confusing everyone, spamming communications and distracting people from their jobs.

Now, if a new leader wants to lead a raid, he better start a raid. On such a raid, the person who started it is the undisputed leader I will follow and never ever try to take over. It may take time to get used to a new guys being at the helm but it is mostly a problem of too few capable followers rather than too many incapable leaders.

Ottar

Agreed, do the same and expect the same.

 

[vladamyr]

I agree with the person that said this is just a game. At the time of the nemesis crumble i was on a break for DAoC so i cannot comment on what went on but its common sense that if you are playing a game to enjoy yourself and are getting verbaly abused in AS why should u stay? being in a guild that is in new era i can tell you now there is no verbal abuse at all and no childish squabbles all ive seen is people orgonising things very efficiently like WoW hunts relic raids keep raids etc people get along well and for now it seems like its going the right way as for making alliances bigger there is a good side and a bad side, good side being alot more people can come defend the realm etc bad side being there will always be 'too' many guilds and they will not always get along this could result in squabbling abuse spamming etc i cannot find a solution to these problems can you?

 

[Marcus75]

As the GM of our small guild and a member of the rather dead Mighty Chronicles Alliance I really hope that the communication within Midgard will develop and turn out to be effective.

Also...after reading the posts from Roo Stercogburn I also wish there would be a possibility for more than 20 guilds per alliance. The posts from him in this thread are right in line with what I think is a great alliance.

As a small guild we are barely noticed and without "true" highlevel guys it does seem very hard if not impossible to find a alliance. We have applied to others since our current one is....dead. Time will tell if we may join any alliance.

If the communication would work then Midgard would be much, much harder to stop once more - without neccesarily dependig too heavily on highlevel peeps and bigger numbers.

 

[SilverHood]

let me have a chat with Roo Chrohammond.... think we have a dead guild in the alliance if not 2... otherwise I'm sure we can sort something out

 

[Marcus75]

SilverHood:

That would be great. I have talked to him a little but since IRL (Work) has been taking up alot of time I havn't been able to be ingame that much.

We have applied to your alliance first but since I saw you recently filled those last two spots we have also applied to New Era Alliance.
I guess you guys have to fight over who gets Beowulf´s Legion loyalty. *joke*

 

[old.Chavez]

You mids in here sound like the borg, having to find your way outside the collective

But seriously, having 3-5 alliances is a blessing not a problem. Saves raid leaders from micro managing every little group, increases signal/noise ratio and less disputes on /as since there are less egos on the channel (remember the other egos are probably now in alliances with ppl they like, heh).

 

[Jupitus]

Originally posted by old.Chavez
(remember the other egos are probably now in alliances with ppl they like, heh).

... or not in alliances at all, eh fellas?

 

[SilverHood]

Crohamond, Crimson Hand are dead, so that should leave a spot for you guys

 

[Roo Stercogburn]

I'm hassling Mythic via every channel I can find. If you want to join in asking them to increase the alliance limit, go to http://www.camelotherald.com/feedback.php and also ask for the alliance limit to be increased.

I've emailed them again today. No feedback as yet. Will post if anything comes through.

 

[old.Chavez]

Jup,

I tend to belive that over time guilds will gravitate around alliances with other guilds they work well together with, share same goals with, respect and feel they can accomplish something alone and together.

Currently on my 3rd week of daoc vacation and as such out of the loop on recent "politics"....

 

[old.louise]

Originally posted by old.Blood|Prydwen
To Louise: afaik The Nemesis Alliance was always meant to be a RvR alliance.. you have 2 active members with over 10k RP.. i honestly dont think it was the right alliance for BoD.

at the time we had more like 10, and we had been in that alliance for a very long time then before then

 

[Blood]

ok (btw. i had nothing to do with it, or even knew about it)

 

[Marcus75]

SilverHood:

OK. If something can be arranged please mail me at:

beowulfslegion@home.se

Thanks alot!

Roo:

Yeah...the thing to do is probably to mailbomb them with tells that they need to get this fixed...hehe....*joke*

But seriously...I gonna send them one mail to begin with.

Also, I wont be ingame much at all until monday afternoon since I work alot from time to time so if there becomes a spot open in your alliance please think of us. Got our official mail a few lines up in this post if there is something that need to be said.

 

[old.Hellskor]

looks like this thread did atleast something good

Now get 6 f***ing posts more ... Sigurds Flamewar still got a higher reply count than this thread !

 

[trigali]

5 to go.

 

[Fafnir]

Bah, why flame ffs.

 

[old.Hellskor]

flaming is fun !

oh ... OH ! Only 3 more needed

 

[Fafnir]

Originally posted by old.Hellskor
flaming is fun !

oh ... OH ! Only 3 more needed

Doh, why is pissing on others so f****** fun FFS.