Nerf what, boost what, why, and how?

[old.SadonTheGrey]

i had an intercepting pet called mirieth then he left the game

 

[Qte Eth]

sounds cool but what sorta grp with caba can u make?oO

 

[Xeanor]

Hmmm depends on what damage type the pbaoe will be

if ice/heat/matter then put body sorc in group instead of a mind sorc

if energy/spirit/body then put a spirit cabby in the group too

something like:

Minstrel (50 Inst)
Paladin (50 Shield)
Cleric
Cleric
Cabalist (PBAE)
Cabalist (PBAE)
Cabalist (PBAE or Spirit (2x pbaoe and 1 debuffer is ok)
Sorcerer (Mind if Spirit cabby is used, otherwise use Body)

Have a little nearsight, 4 pets, a debuffer for pbaoe, a slam/guard paladin, ablative chant, sos, 2x bof, specline lifedrain, aoe disease (oO), insta interrupt shouts on all cabas, sorc has aoe str/con or dex/qui debuff, and best aoe root or aoe mezz, 2 castable stun, 1 insta stun, 4 single target root, debuff for specline lifedrain (?)

Best would be if mind sorc is used, then you have mezz reduction too, and it would mean the caba can debuff for the others to specline lifedrain too.

Overpowered? Don't know.

But it looks like Albs will finally be able to make a viable pbaoe group.

 

[rg-zorena]

Re: Re: Nerf what, boost what, why, and how?

Originally posted by Gewny
Savages : Well not relly, a h2h savage are were they should be, might be a problem with 2h troll optimized savages thou (dont know for sure)

HAHAHA ROFL OK prydwen pve crew is talking here maybe

Berserker : Nope not enugh by far, U need to look relly har into berzerk, you need to add good positionals on LA, with some "fancy" effects (maybe a stun or good bleeds, dis or what evever). The lvl 50 LA style is a 3rd in chain and should have comparable or better effect than other lvl 50 styles, read dragonfang) the 60 dmg dd is silly.

berserker only need end reduction on their syles

warr : needs some "fluff" some fancy stuff

warriors are probably the best shield tank ingame atm imo.

shaman : Fix end regen, he shouldent be forced to use one buffslot for each end regen (eg. give groupe buff). Fix surviabillity in rvr.

yeah well play a shaman with some cave and he survives

Healer : Pac : fairly fine Mend : well small issuses bot nothing big, AUG : Major fixes needed if this are suppose to be an "possible primary spec"

ok healers dont need shit and aug is actually maybe gonna get their celerity insta cast witch will make it lots better.

 

[Denisée]

From the very first line it was posible to see it was one person from Albion who had written it. And to be honest, he've never been further away from the.......

All there is to do is:

:lol::lol::lol::lol:

 

[denser]

You are correct! Asking peoples opinions on realm balancing makes all Albs wankers. Yuo aer smarte.


Hmm, French eh? I bet you all just /sit in RvR and let the Germans farm you for RPs.






There you see, generalizations mean shit.

 

[umilard]

From the very first line it was posible to see it was one person from Albion who had written it. And to be honest, he've never been further away from the.......

Maybe it is possible to see i'm an alb.. think most people see it when they read my sig tbh And maybe i am far away from the truth, but that's what _i_ think.

And i did say my own class was abit overpowered, that's not something you see alot on these boards ;>

How about you post your own opinions on how to balance instead of posting crap like that?

 

[marathor]

Originally posted by uma_thurman
Imo nerf BUFFBOTS:

SB fight 1

SB fight 2

Marath didn't even PA or BS2...he just uncovered me and meleed me down. It was like facing a god-damn shadowzerker all again.

To add some details, we're both RR4, I have capped everything and use a Sidi BP. In that fight I didn't even come close.

So it proves that either:

(a). Marath runs with buffs and deserves the ridicule that ppl like to throw out to ppl like Rambo;

or

(b). SBs are overpowered still.

My guess is (a).

Much more of this and guess what, I'll have to get a buffbot just to compete.

Nerf buffbots!

Woah!!

First whine about me ever.
Well its pretty obvious that I dont need to use PA etc when mids have DF.

Just to clear it up:
Ill hunt every single infil down killing mids in df when we have it.
Buffed infil > Buffed sb > anything unbuffed.

Ok then seriously.
If you look at the 1st screenie my dps11 dam add went off. That alone will turn a battle to victory in Im not DF:ed purge down.

I think we need some serious help. Just respecced my sb and made it even more gimp that it was by going 50 Sword 37 Cs from the more traditional 44 Sword 44 Cs and my melee ablities dropped a ton. That was my personal mistake.

Even bigger would be going out unbuffed. Even while fully buffed I dont hold a candle against buffed infils. NS I can take usually if I get PA+CD in. That wount help me against infils if my purge is down.

Wont go on ... we all seen it and read the whines 100 times too many.

Ps. Edited that "Cry more" away.

 

[Mardan Stryker]

Yup, that we were laughing with Marath few days back..
50sw 37cs is something you could call a "Sidekick" -spec

50sw grants you the cool backpos. style Ragnarok that actually does something, but otherwise crit and face to face melee dmg is screwed.

So you could say the spec is counting on somebody. Wonder who.. dumdidum

 

[marathor]

Dont tell every1.

Well sad but true. Solo assasins are dead. Even while duoing we come about 4-8 alb stealthers having fun.

Just the other day we got 2 infils in df. As I popped the 3rd I got PAd by 3 others and scout TSsed Mardan.

And if I want to solo Ill play a singleplayer game.

Dont take it so seriously. Relax and have fun. If you are not enjoying yourself why bother ?

 

[uma_thurman]

Originally posted by marathor
Woah!!

First whine about me ever.
Well its pretty obvious that I dont need to use PA etc when mids have DF.

Just to clear it up:
Ill hunt every single infil down killing mids in df when we have it.
Buffed infil > Buffed sb > anything unbuffed.

Ok then seriously.
If you look at the 1st screenie my dps11 dam add went off. That alone will turn a battle to victory in Im not DF:ed purge down.

I think we need some serious help. Just respecced my sb and made it even more gimp that it was by going 50 Sword 37 Cs from the more traditional 44 Sword 44 Cs and my melee ablities dropped a ton. That was my personal mistake.

Even bigger would be going out unbuffed. Even while fully buffed I dont hold a candle against buffed infils. NS I can take usually if I get PA+CD in. That wount help me against infils if my purge is down.

Wont go on ... we all seen it and read the whines 100 times too many.

Ps. Edited that "Cry more" away.

Yeah I did notice the DPS add proc...even so I dropped very fast

Is it true that you have a bugged sword with no off-hand dual wield penalty?

Well as you have seen already I don't go buffed as a rule. However, I'll keep trying to avoid you until I'm confident that dodgy sword of yours has been sorted out...then I'll hunt YOU

 

[Mardan Stryker]

Sword or not (doesnt do that much difference anyway), think still gonna be buffed. Oh yeah, givf shadowblades hammer specline!

 

[Hyuga Hinata]

Re: Re: Re: Nerf what, boost what, why, and how?

Originally posted by rg-zorena
quote:Originally posted by Gewny
Savages : Well not relly, a h2h savage are were they should be, might be a problem with 2h troll optimized savages thou (dont know for sure)


HAHAHA ROFL OK prydwen pve crew is talking here maybe

And here you have the typical reply of someone who doesn't really have a clue about what he's typing, he just does it so that he can act all smart just to fail horribly and go down in flames.

quote:
Berserker : Nope not enugh by far, U need to look relly har into berzerk, you need to add good positionals on LA, with some "fancy" effects (maybe a stun or good bleeds, dis or what evever). The lvl 50 LA style is a 3rd in chain and should have comparable or better effect than other lvl 50 styles, read dragonfang) the 60 dmg dd is silly.


berserker only need end reduction on their styles

Spelling correction.

quote:
warr : needs some "fluff" some fancy stuff


warriors are probably the best shield tank ingame atm imo.

And you just "happened" to not read the part where it said 'fluff' right?

quote:
shaman : Fix end regen, he shouldent be forced to use one buffslot for each end regen (eg. give groupe buff). Fix surviabillity in rvr.


yeah well play a shaman with some cave and he survives.

Yep about as long as a snowball in hell.

quote:
Healer : Pac : fairly fine Mend : well small issuses bot nothing big, AUG : Major fixes needed if this are suppose to be an "possible primary spec"


ok healers dont need shit and aug is actually maybe gonna get their celerity insta cast witch will make it lots better.

Aug line: Damage add, right this is useful since all mid groups wants a healer that goes in and meelee's instead of healing.

Damage shield: Very efficient.... for albs, since all they have to do if they're rooted is to hit the nearest aug healer and the root breaks.

Str/Con buff: This is about the only spell that has no backside.

Celerity: Good spell, lousy range. You basically have to hug the fighters for this to stick. And as for it being insta cast, it lasts 20 seconds and the recast timer is 30-60 seconds. Think most would choose the castable one.

Oh and the whole 'healers dont need shit' thing, VERY constructive. No seriously I mean it, give me more of that.

 

[mabs0r]

albs need to lose double speccing, or get major damage uppage for the points spent...
50 weap, 42 shield, 3x parry Vs. 50 2h/pole, 50 damage type, 2x parry = lol ?
(and plate makes s0d all difference anyway before someone whines about that)

all the 2h weapons should have their end usage dropped aswell, 6 attacks for a whole end bar = insane imho

give every spec line an anytime stun of same length, ie 6 secs or take out the stuns on slam etc, DF is bad, but at least it HAS a requirement

oh and for all you SBs out there... as long as i see you PAing with 2h weapons, you are getting no sympathy at all
( oh , and in case your wondering, *PA* is that wierd crit strike style everyone else has been using for ages, you know, the opener one, frontal... its really hard, requires stealth AND position, dunno how you manage)

 

[atos]

What thanes don't need is AP and Det that would make em... well as Zapsi said a few pages back make warriors more or less useless. Rather give them some unique RA have no clues at this time about what that would be tho.

 

[Hyuga Hinata]

Originally posted by mabs0r

give every spec line an anytime stun of same length, ie 6 secs or take out the stuns on slam etc, DF is bad, but at least it HAS a requirement

Why don't we just remove any edge a pure tank has through shieldspec then eh? Because slam is just about the only thing a pure tank has left thats any good, since blocking is a rare occasion in RvR considering 90% of the enemies are now mercenary's and infils with DW that shoots our blocking to hell and back.

oh and for all you SBs out there... as long as i see you PAing with 2h weapons, you are getting no sympathy at all
( oh , and in case your wondering, *PA* is that wierd crit strike style everyone else has been using for ages, you know, the opener one, frontal... its really hard, requires stealth AND position, dunno how you manage)

2h is overrated, it has a slow swingtime so if you mess up PA you get to wait a whole 5 seconds before getting to swing again, and then another 5 seconds after that again. Now include the fact that they have no reactionary stun since that one is in LA. Not that it would help them anyway, since the opponent will have attacked at least twice since the SB evaded and prepared for the reactionary with a 2hander.

PA: Yes, it's a shame that most infils don't know that this has front positional and stealth as a prereq. I've lost count of the times I suddenly see some infil performing PA either into my back or mid-combat.

 

[rg-zorena]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Nerf what, boost what, why, and how?

Originally posted by Hyuga Hinata

Hyuga Hinata Maelstrom 27,917 Warrior Dwarf
Speedblur Soloskald Maelstrom 320,394 Skald Dwarf

yes you must be right

 

[Astraad]

Originally posted by mabs0r
oh and for all you SBs out there... as long as i see you PAing with 2h weapons, you are getting no sympathy at all

I have 2h SB in fully MP SC kit. My PA cap is over 1k but rarely (very rarely) does it ever go above 550 - 600. I get PA'd by infils for 500 + regularly and they can CD etc much faster than me. If I land a PA on an inf or class with the ability to spec shield, my CD is almost always blocked/evaded ( that means DF from thrust infs of course ). Whatever u may think u know about 2h usage it really isn't all that good. Where this myth has sprung from taht it's the most amazing tool in a SB's (now considerably small) arsenal I do not know.

 

[old.ivan]

Originally posted by Astraad
Where this myth has sprung from taht it's the most amazing tool in a SB's (now considerably small) arsenal I do not know.

PA with 2h axe .. switch to 2 axes CD etc .. backup CD with say garotte ... thats the way i see it.

Just allows decent frontload damage capability imo.

 

[mavericky]

Originally posted by old.ivan
PA with 2h axe .. switch to 2 axes CD etc .. backup CD with say garotte ... thats the way i see it.

Just allows decent frontload damage capability imo.

How that works in practice though is.

PA with 2h axe
/wait
/wait
/wave
/wait
5 second delay over, prepare the cd, but caster or tank has QC/slammed you
/release

 

[Arflane]

Originally posted by zapzap
Warriors has a WS bonus but damage higher then Thane not much if thane would spec 50 weap and the self dps makes up for WS, better defence not much how often u see a warrior use big shield ? Almost nothing a warrior can do better then thane other then having cheap RAs and DET. BUT DET is all atm so sux without it.

Zapsi

very true: conclusion=thanes need to cast faster and harder.
warriors need something fun (like an insta
speedbuff +cool grafic)

 

[Astraad]

As Mavericky says, if u PA with a 2h u still get the same delay for CD if u switch to 2h. I think you'll find most SB's have tried it and against buffed opponents its still gunna get blocked/evaded alot.

 

[Hyuga Hinata]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Nerf what, boost what, why, and how?

Originally posted by rg-zorena
yes you must be right

You proved what with that, that I have low RP's? That since I don't have a SB in my sig I have no idea what sucks with them?

Oh wise one, please do enlighten me.
I've played a friends SB for some time, and know that they got hit well hard with that nerf.

Now to use the techniques of the ever wise one.

Zorena ZERGFOURTEHWIN 3,812,774 Healer

Seems you really have a base of experience to prove me wrong on eh?

 

[old.ivan]

Originally posted by mavericky
How that works in practice though is.

PA with 2h axe
/wait
/wait
/wave
/wait
5 second delay over, prepare the cd, but caster or tank has QC/slammed you
/release

Ye theres truth in that , i played around with Staff PA the delay is immense. But still you have purge to deal with /qc/slam

PS: i personally use fast weapons even for pa .. to land cd faster. And in most fights with mids end up getting 2-3 shot by slam from the back after getting ae stunned.

 

[Talen]

Originally posted by mavericky
How that works in practice though is.

PA with 2h axe
/wait
/wait
/wave
/wait
5 second delay over, prepare the cd, but caster or tank has QC/slammed you
/release

So you mean that the *possibility* of being able to use a 2H weapon is bad? ;p
I have always loved the random SB whine about 2Hers being "oh so gimped" BUT at least you have the choice of being able to use a 2Her. Since when do you *ever* have a 5 second delay upon swinging with a weapon anyway? Try getting more then -30 qui in your SC template. ;p

(And yes I do think SBs should get the choice to go either slash or thrust before anyone mentions this)

I have been planning for ages to write a essay in the subject of ns vs infil vs SB but havent really started typing on it yet

 

[old.ivan]

How about this ... Theurgists should get AE stun on 2,5 cast in Air Specline. Should give substantial raise to Theurgs utility..

Thoughts.... ?

 

[uma_thurman]

Originally posted by old.ivan
How about this ... Theurgists should get AE stun on 2,5 cast in Air Specline. Should give substantial raise to Theurgs utility..

Thoughts.... ?

Earth needs loving the most...put it in that spec line.

 

[old.ivan]

Originally posted by uma_thurman
Earth needs loving the most...put it in that spec line.

Nah Earth spec has high utility PvE already , give it both PvE and RvR .. ? i would rather try to make spec : 8 sec pbt and air/ice more viable. But thats just my opinion.

 

[Cernos]

Lets not talk of nerfs eh, they hurt.

So, how about we give everyone the ability to wear chain armour, stealth, travel at mach 5, climb walls, safe fall in aforementioned chain armour (not noted for its lightness), ablatives, access to dragonfang, mezz and stun.

Sounds reasonable to me so c'mon Mythic, I want my cake too