MOC3 and lifetap - is it a joke?

[Bugz]

Just outskilled aiava, some gimp sorc, 2 or 3 times with winning mezz etc.

He just purges, moc3 and lifetaps me and my duo partner down.

The annoying thing is, it isn't even skill. He doesn't even know the face button, he just moc3 lifetaps. Horner does the same, another gimp sorc etc.

Is it fair?

Should moc3 not be allowed with lifetap?

Discuss.

 

[Askr]

Kinda old aint it? Same question have been asked forever and there's two sides of any coin as always.

 

[Gamah]

No its retarded, add an 80% intercept pet and wallah you have midgard..

 

[whinersmincer]

yeah mids dont need moc the just need a buffed pet

 

[Bugz]

SM's without moc3 can't be compared to those with moc3.

Atleast with sm's you can interrupt them in a lot of ways such as banelord debuffs, normal hitting, spells, charges etc.

A moc3 lifetapper will jsut carry on lifetapping pretty much and the speed makes it even more insane (esp. for sorcs).

 

[Muylaetrix]

delve and casting speed on lifetaps are too high.

caba, sorc, sm, BD...


nerf lifetap.

 

[Thlauni]

and we hibs have stun nuke. Seems to me all three realms have some pretty overpowering abilities in the mage departement.

 

[Bugz]

and we hibs have stun nuke. Seems to me all three realms have some pretty overpowering abilities in the mage departement.

Stun is purgeable, blockable via. spells and is not as gd when you take into account resists etc.

 

[xxManiacxx]

Loved it when I met a stealth zerg with my supp sm(they were 5 alb stealthers) MoC3 ML9 PBAE dead alb stealthers and me on 70% hp

 

[Muylaetrix]

and we hibs have stun nuke. Seems to me all three realms have some pretty overpowering abilities in the mage departement.

imho, baseline lt : 3 sec cast time.
SM insta LT : 20 sec recast.
RM LT : need more info on SM LT to make a statement.
baseline stun : 1250 range.

 

[DrunkSkunk]

Stun is purgeable, blockable via. spells and is not as gd when you take into account resists etc.

stun is baseline moc3 is 30RA points..
and as a bard you should have FZ to counter moc3lifetap and spam amnesia







and, animists can moc3 lifetap aswel

 

[Manisch Depressiv]

You know you don't have to stand still when someone MoC3 lifetaps you down. FZ, stun it or run away...

 

[DrunkSkunk]

imho, baseline lt : 3 sec cast time.
SM insta LT : 20 sec recast.
RM LT : need more info on SM LT to make a statement.
baseline stun : 1250 range.

SM doesnt have insta LT (BD!)
Rm doesnt have LT .. (SM!)

 

[Bugz]

stun is baseline moc3 is 30RA points..
and as a bard you should have FZ to counter moc3lifetap and spam amnesia
and, animists can moc3 lifetap aswel

a) Stun makes up for lifetap imo. stun does not make up for moc3 lifetap.

b) i did use fz - still died lol. same with amnesia. i am not a gimp

c) animist baseline is crapper than sorc one. for some reason, stupid mythic gave sorc uber lifetap.

 

[Ronso]

Its been the same for ages and they wont change it and I dont really want them to anyway . Done a lot of soloing and I rarely get mocced down and when someone mocs ..can sometimes overcome it . Its part of the game - moc is nearly the main reason for rolling a life tap class . Keep it

 

[grimlin]

Stun is purgeable, blockable via. spells and is not as gd when you take into account resists etc.

you could use phase shift

 

[Bugz]

Its been the same for ages and they wont change it and I dont really want them to anyway . Done a lot of soloing and I rarely get mocced down and when someone mocs ..can sometimes overcome it . Its part of the game - moc is nearly the main reason for rolling a life tap class . Keep it

You have a SM.

Says it all rly.

 

[DrunkSkunk]

a) Stun makes up for lifetap imo. stun does not make up for moc3 lifetap.

b) i did use fz - still died lol. same with amnesia. i am not a gimp

c) animist baseline is crapper than sorc one. for some reason, stupid mythic gave sorc uber lifetap.

a) i just said the one is baseline the other is an RA
so the RA must have more advantages agree it can be stupid when combined with with other abilities (thinking about moc shearing aswel :< )

b) change your duo partner then, if he cant kill a sorc while on FZ ride

c) sorc uberlifetap got 15dmg more delve then the animist one, thats 45dmg more!!! and a bit less resists

 

[eggy]

a) Stun makes up for lifetap imo. stun does not make up for moc3 lifetap

Why? You can stun a moccer.

I've played sorc to rr9 and I can honestly say that although lifetap (and the class in general) is powerful; one stun with purge down and it's goodbye. Sure, if purge and moc is up (60 points of RAs or RR7) you'll probably win, but that's fair enough against a class which has baseline stun at RR1.

People can do far more against sorcs than they often make the effort for. Eldritches for example. Most will nearsight, then stun, then start nuking. Using both of these effects (NS + stun) together voids their usefulness. As a sorc I simply wait for the stun before purging and QC mez or MOC+tap depending on situation. Elds should NS, start nuking, wait for sorc purge then QC stun, finish sorc off who now has purge down.

There are ways around moc+lifetap - people just need to think.

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

No its retarded, add an 80% intercept pet and wallah you have midgard..

havnt noticed 80% intercept on my SM for a looong while ;p

afaik that got nerfed.

 

[Remem]

its a lifestyle

 

[Konstantin]

imho, baseline lt : 3 sec cast time.
SM insta LT : 20 sec recast.
RM LT : need more info on SM LT to make a statement.
baseline stun : 1250 range.

lol wtf ?

 

[Gamah]

havnt noticed 80% intercept on my SM for a looong while ;p

afaik that got nerfed.

Maybe you should try playing against them mr midgard.

 

[GrivneKelmorian]

Maybe you should try playing against them mr midgard.

aye because that changes the interupt rates

and didnt they fix SM interupt pets some time ago?

 

[Bugz]

a) i just said the one is baseline the other is an RA
so the RA must have more advantages agree it can be stupid when combined with with other abilities (thinking about moc shearing aswel :< )

b) change your duo partner then, if he cant kill a sorc while on FZ ride

c) sorc uberlifetap got 15dmg more delve then the animist one, thats 45dmg more!!! and a bit less resists

a) this isnt a debate on moc3.

b) oh wait - did i add ML 9 PETS?

c) i wont even answer.

 

[Bugz]

Why? You can stun a moccer.

I've played sorc to rr9 and I can honestly say that although lifetap (and the class in general) is powerful; one stun with purge down and it's goodbye. Sure, if purge and moc is up (60 points of RAs or RR7) you'll probably win, but that's fair enough against a class which has baseline stun at RR1.

People can do far more against sorcs than they often make the effort for. Eldritches for example. Most will nearsight, then stun, then start nuking. Using both of these effects (NS + stun) together voids their usefulness. As a sorc I simply wait for the stun before purging and QC mez or MOC+tap depending on situation. Elds should NS, start nuking, wait for sorc purge then QC stun, finish sorc off who now has purge down.

There are ways around moc+lifetap - people just need to think.

This is mostly a debate on sorcs - so I'm glad you bought this up.

Did I add that Moc3 sorcs can also Ae mezz, mezz, demezz pet before ml 9'ing it, SOI, root, interrupts, nuke at close to cap speed due to saracen race etc.

 

[Sharkith]

I think eggy has it though nearsight is the best counter only thing then is wether or not the caster has nearsight?

Do all Hib casters have nearsight <shrugs> I have no clue tbh.

 

[Arumos]

a) this isnt a debate on moc3.

b) oh wait - did i add ML 9 PETS?

c) i wont even answer.

I think hes right on who you grp with tho, was quite amusing killing your bard + 2 bainshee friends on my ml3 merc last night

On the moc + LT, i agree.

however, it has counters.

 

[DrunkSkunk]

a) this isnt a debate on moc3.

b) oh wait - did i add ML 9 PETS?

c) i wont even answer.

its moc3lifetap debate, whine..
that said moc3lifetap is up every 15min and stun is up always


sorc with several ml9 PETS is hard , i agree on that. Imagine 2 templars and a chicken.


because you know i am right..

 

[DrunkSkunk]

This is mostly a debate on sorcs - so I'm glad you bought this up.

Did I add that Moc3 sorcs can also SOI

wasnt that nerfed?

and moc doesnt change anything about the cast speed, only the effectiveness, afaik