Minstrel, why?

[Sycho]

I still hold the lack of options against you. I myself are carrying 6 lvl 10 artifacts and sc'ed equipment - top nodge gear. Still I constantly feel totally neglected when I face alb stealther groups with minstrels in. I dont have purge yet, but will have soon. Yet it will give a chance to do better every 30 mins only.
Your comparisment with zerkers is ridicolous tbh.. You play a caster and may get rolled over by a zerker/savage - but then you get rezzed. We all know how it goes. But for stealthers there arent much to do than release..
The impact minstrells does to the stealther wars er wastely bigger than what savages/berserkers do to tank war. Tank war have lots more means to counter high damage melee through toa and healing classes around. So we get high ML to even be able to counter just a bit? FZ - yay at casting it at a minstrell chain mezzing mid stealthers from a far. Bodyguard/Grapple? Still not the isue, its the crowd control thats the problem. Purge is good ye one time every 30 min - and you'll just get insta stunned anyway.

I could say the same for 3 healers with FZ.

I could say the same for savages compared to other light tank's dps.

I could say the same for chanters compared to wizards/runemasters.

Though in group rvr no minstrel has hit me as hard as a decent skald, so in group rvr they are a different story altogether.A merc could go out and solo 3 shadowblades then die to 2 assisting savages, what would that prove? not much at all.

 

[xxManiacxx]

You shouldnt compare specific scenarios where ONLY stealthwar is REPESENTED, Albs got better stealthers ( thanks to minstrel ) hibs got better casters ( thanks to ench's/elds and druids GP ) and mid got better tanks (savage, Berz,warrior ). So ur asking mythic to balance one side of the game, then u have to be ready to nerf ur own wtfpwngogo chars aswell. I mean if we catagories Stealthwar, casterwar and tankwar in 3 diff categories then fiddling with stealthwar will make powerfull casters and make tanks worse at the same time. Fiddling with tanks to make them better vs casters when we nerfed stealthwar ( the stealthers have harder time vs casters = there will be more casters to pwn tanks ), and since we now made tanks better to handle the wtfpwnpwn casters that dont have the same threat vs stealthers (minstrel infils maybe ) then we have to make stealthwar better vs tanks since tanks should have the upper hand but not 1 hit them. Etc etc etc...

I was replying to another post as u can see.

 

[Kraben]

I could say the same for 3 healers with FZ.

I could say the same for savages compared to other light tank's dps.

And no one in your own group has FZ? No one has bof, bg, grapple? Its means of countermeassurments im after - some that just arent there as I see it.

 

[Sycho]

And no one in your own group has FZ? No one has bof, bg, grapple? Its means of countermeassurments im after - some that just arent there as I see it.

Alb group has 1xFZ usually and bg/grapple usually the same(or sometimes 2 of each if lucky), grapple is an "i win" button at the moment for hibs more than anything else in daoc.

Forceful zephyr is very strong though for a solo minstrel but you can avoid it if lucky.

 

[Balbor]

now let me see.

Flag for healer and u get
Albion:

Friar
Cleric
Mincer - yes mincer is considered healing class because of the heal song? no?
Paladin - heal chant

Hibernia:

Warden
Druid
Bard
Mentalist

Midgard:

Healer
Shaman
Skald ( heal song )

( any more, dunno as i never played midgard )

Mincers have a Health Regeneration song which increases the ammount of health the naturally regain per tick.

 

[Kraben]

Alb group has 1xFZ usually and bg/grapple usually the same(or sometimes 2 of each if lucky), grapple is an "i win" button at the moment for hibs more than anything else in daoc.

Forceful zephyr is very strong though for a solo minstrel but you can avoid it if lucky.

Still not FZ im after. After all its something you will be able to get yourself at some point. However cc.. its something given to minstrels from the very beginning, no hard work needed to be done - no high rr, no high ML or anything.

I sencirely hope for a nerf at the minstrel class. In one way or the other making it become less effective in stealther rvr. Same goes for grapple in hib groups

 

[Platina]

I could say the same for savages compared to other light tank's dps.



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How could i know this line was gona be in matts Post xD

 

[Sycho]

Still not FZ im after. After all its something you will be able to get yourself at some point. However cc.. its something given to minstrels from the very beginning, no hard work needed to be done - no high rr, no high ML or anything.

That could be said about some other classes too though, very strong at low rr even in every realm.But as for master lv's casters seem to do the best without them so you are right there :E (the only good thing is FZ though in that ML line as far as i know?)

 

[Ilum]

yes, minstrel is overpowered in "stealth wars" but who cares about that? :]

 

[atos]

Mincer ablabtive is just another solo thing. But it really makes a huge difference. Still can't understand why they got the same DD change (love?)as skalds got. It wasn't like they preformed bad before the change.

Even if it has loads of utility the utility isen't purly CC or damage based. Like healers or bards.

Hell just remove the armour type and the dds and give them a CS line. :kissit:

edit: And give ablabtive to thanes!

 

[Derric]

I think they should nerf thanes, too much utility!
Instant DD, ranged DD, AE DD, dmg add, shieldspec, chain, free 2h, mezbreaking, you name it!
Hell, just remove their armour and give them a CS line!

 

[Balbor]

yes, minstrel is overpowered in "stealth wars" but who cares about that? :]

i don't think some people understand that. in standard groups must of there utility and abilites are either non required (such as mezzing and Pets) and there counterparts off just as much, (bards have instent interupts, healing and buffing) while Skalds have instent single target interupts and free two handed weapons for good frontloaded damage in MA.

Minstrals may make excelent partners for small stealth teams but for non stealth teams Bard are far better - Top AOE mezz, rezzing, buffs. And skalds are probably about even, both classes can drop a Mincer out of speed due to better ranged interupt spells.

SB/NS/Hunters/Rangers may think that Mincers having stealth is unfair and the class should be changed then fine. I play a cleric in RvR mainly and think assassins/archers having it is unfair, lets just remove stealth all together, and CC, and instent cast spell, and spell interupting and everything else that pisses people off.

 

[atos]

Derric I know you can't play without all that.. but we can't have a special class for you. :<

And who said thanes got mezzbreaking? Gimme that.

 

[wittor]

says who?

ah right, an infil.

oh pls

 

[Derric]

Derric I know you can't play without all that.. but we can't have a special class for you. :<

And who said thanes got mezzbreaking? Gimme that.

Can't seem to find p0x's comment from IRC about a certain thane that demezzed an entire enemy group, so I'll just say one word:Mjollnir.

 

[constanze]

well i cant hold it back

USE TACTICS

 

[Kreig]

Like some one else has put - cba to read back and find it too hung over for that, but in comparission your saying that Minstrels are overpowered yes. Ok alb gets another stealth class over other 2 realms. But mids get superior tanks, and hibs superior casters.

I know...



Lets all start threads along the lines of ....



Savages, why?



Enchanters, why?


Yadda yadda wa wa

zzzzz

 

[Kreig]

Savages, why?

Why are savages so uber l33t0rs who wtfpwn us all in 1s flat with uber styles and beardy dps shouts.



Wawawa lets all cry about it because mythic anit gunna do shit about it, gimmy my toy(z) now and i want 2 pwn all.

 

[Kreig]

Enchanters, why?

Why are Enchanters so uber l33t0rs who wtfpwn us all in 1s flat with uber assist debuffs and nuke for 8xx dmg even when my saracen with capped heat resists and top friar buff totally 60% odd, interupt our casters/healers with snaring pets etc



Wawawa lets all cry about it because mythic anit gunna do shit about it, gimmy my toy(z) now and i want 2 pwn all.

 

[Kreig]

Yes there are plenty of things to cry about but we all know that in 2+ years that this game has been Gold, mythic have done nothing or ever listened to its players or TLs really and any nerfs implemented have always been very slight and meaningless.

All these discussions never really amount to anything, no-ones opinions or play styles change. You the enemy will always think xxxx is overpowered because of xxxx and no mater what who or how is said it maters not as no ones opinions change. Just another vicious circle whereby the whines/moans continue until some other technique, skill or class becomes the target of the flames.

Do you go to bed and have nightmares about ewul DAoC classes coming to get you tbh? Do you really? If thats the case take yourself down 2 a drug rehabilitation clinic.

Just give up the goat and stop with this crap.

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

Mincer ablabtive is just another solo thing. But it really makes a huge difference. Still can't understand why they got the same DD change (love?)as skalds got. It wasn't like they preformed bad before the change.

If ur point is that skalds sucked b4, then... nm tbh cba to waste any time on replying to such statements... oh i just did silly me.. :touch:

 

[Dumle]

Just give up the goat and stop with this crap.

NEVER!! Its too much fun

 

[behatch]

All realms have overpowered or superior class's all you can do is qq and tell your mum.

 

[Matriarch|Sneakers]

I still hold the lack of options against you. I myself are carrying 6 lvl 10 artifacts and sc'ed equipment - top nodge gear. Still I constantly feel totally neglected when I face alb stealther groups with minstrels in. I dont have purge yet, but will have soon. Yet it will give a chance to do better every 30 mins only.
Your comparisment with zerkers is ridicolous tbh.. You play a caster and may get rolled over by a zerker/savage - but then you get rezzed. We all know how it goes. But for stealthers there arent much to do than release..
The impact minstrells does to the stealther wars er wastely bigger than what savages/berserkers do to tank war. Tank war have lots more means to counter high damage melee through toa and healing classes around. So we get high ML to even be able to counter just a bit? FZ - yay at casting it at a minstrell chain mezzing mid stealthers from a far. Bodyguard/Grapple? Still not the isue, its the crowd control thats the problem. Purge is good ye one time every 30 min - and you'll just get insta stunned anyway.

Tbh dont even come here talking about minstrels overpoweredness when u compare low rr hunter vs high rr minstrels (since they got so mutch utility etc i asume they r high rr)... tbh if u gonna discuss it be serious b/c thats a joke ur throwing at me...
Hunter with good items/top nodge, IP+AP+PURGE+PASSIVES and buffs = hell for a minstrel, H E L L. - ( can easy hit for 450 dmg / swing and that is from own exp... )
And i also wanna say that i know alot of ns/rangers/sbs/hunters that WTF own and play equal / win alot vs alb stealthers so dont expect any change just b/c low rr ppl think its unfair they get steamed vs high rr folks b/c thats what alot of this "whine" seems to be about. Kklas+Arauddry wtf owning everything in Emain, is that it? Well, very strange rr10l4 slash infil with uber gear, buffs and hell lot of gaming experiance and his duo friend Kklas rr9+ and "top nodge" minstrel aswell.

P.S my comparision with casters n tanks etc is not redicolous, if u took time to think about it u would realize its almost the same thing we r discussing in this thread.

 

[Morchaoron]

All realms have overpowered or superior class's all you can do is qq and tell your mum.

or play these classes...

 

[Kreig]

Well, very strange rr10l4 slash infil with uber gear, buffs and hell lot of gaming experiance and his duo friend Kklas rr9+ and "top nodge" minstrel aswell.

Exactly, some ppl expect that there newly 50 rr3 class is gunna be good or something. Problem is as some ppl have put in the time and effort there is little chance they have against ppl who have been playing there char(s) a lot and have achieved a high RR.

Its back to the RR again, its the main factor in pretty much every whine. Low RR chars have little chance against high. Simple as that.

 

[Kreig]

You only have to check duskwave, and the number of high RR ppl grows daily. You cant beat experience and RR at the end of the day, same as VS high RR FotM.

Its sad but i think the only way to beat those things is to zerg them OR get the skills/high RR yourself.

 

[Platina]

or play these classes...

Yup do as morchaoron .> play the class xD


Ps.Give info of Lineage2
any news ?

 

[Morchaoron]

Ps.Give info of Lineage2
any news ?

the gamesystem runs very smooth and quite bugless though the way the murdering system works is quite flawed (in terms of karma)

this makes up for the lack of difference in characthers both visually aswell as skill wise (each class can spec like everything max every few levels which is comparable to every class in daoc having all specs max at each level, but there are like 32 classes tho)
everyone is kinda using the same weapon at every level and theres like a 0.0002% chance a weapon drops, there are also no real stats that give bonusses on items (like +str etc), just the damage and thats it...
oh yes and the levelling just takes too long (level 31-32 takes about as long as 49-50 in daoc but finding groups or people to exp with is 4 times easier)

with the smooth game physics and mechanics of lineage2 and the concept of daoc they could make the best mmorpg ever

 

[Kraben]

Exactly, some ppl expect that there newly 50 rr3 class is gunna be good or something. Problem is as some ppl have put in the time and effort there is little chance they have against ppl who have been playing there char(s) a lot and have achieved a high RR.

Its back to the RR again, its the main factor in pretty much every whine. Low RR chars have little chance against high. Simple as that.

Insta stun and mezz dont require high rr nor do I think it requires highly developed skills. Its the mere fact that simply roling a char and be overpowered in group stealth rvr from the beginning that bothers me. uke: And still I dont think it can be compared to savages/chanters.